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  1. bbgun

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    Redskins face tough decisions

    By David Elfin
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    January 18, 2006

    Cutting lightning rod LaVar Arrington before training camp opens this summer might be psychologically cleansing for the Washington Redskins, but the team won't solve its salary cap problems by releasing its highest-priced player.

    To do so, the Redskins likely will have to do a number of things, including reworking the contracts of several players and cutting or trading others who are in the final years of their deals.

    The biggest chunk, of course, could come from Arrington's complicated, reworked contract, which has a cap value of $12.046 million for 2006 -- but only if the NFL and the players association can agree on an extension of their collective bargaining agreement during the next six weeks.

    Without a new CBA by the start of the free agent signing period March 3, all of Arrington's remaining signing and option bonuses would count $12.166 million against the 2006 cap no matter whether he's on the roster. However, if the CBA is extended and keeps the long-standing June 1 rule in effect, cutting Arrington after that date and before July 15, when he's due a $6.5 million roster bonus, will cost the Redskins $5.001 million this year, with the remaining $7.105 million counting in 2007.

    Even if Arrington is cut and counts $5 million this year, the Redskins still would be roughly $15 million over the expected $95 million cap.

    Relief will have to come from reworking the contracts of players like Pro Bowl offensive tackle Chris Samuels ($10.218 million cap value), offensive tackle Jon Jansen ($5.604 million), cornerback Shawn Springs ($5.558 million), running back Clinton Portis ($5.476 million), quarterback Mark Brunell ($5.433 million), linebacker Marcus Washington ($5.167 million) and guard Randy Thomas ($4.912 million).

    The difficulty is that Brunell, who has a base salary of $4 million, and Thomas ($3.5 million) are the only ones with bases of more than $1.5 million. The other five contracts don't have a lot of leeway to turn salaries into bonuses, which can be prorated for up to five years.

    The Redskins could save some money by cutting or trading players in the last years of their contracts, such as reserve safety Matt Bowen ($2 million), injured defensive tackle Brandon Noble ($1.7 million), backup quarterback Patrick Ramsey ($1.688 million), third cornerback Walt Harris ($1.5 million) and reserve center Cory Raymer ($985,000). Adding in oft-injured kicker John Hall ($1.5 million), whose contract expires in 2007, would push those savings past $8 million.

    If those six players are subtracted from the roster and the Redskins are able to save $7 million on Arrington and, say, another $5 million by redoing the contracts of Brunell and Thomas, they would have a cap total of roughly $95 million.

    So Washington would be at the cap, but that doesn't figure in retaining its free agents: safeties Ryan Clark and Omar Stoutmire; tight end Robert Royal; defensive end Demetric Evans; special teams tackles leader Khary Campbell; snapper Ethan Albright; cornerback Ade Jimoh (restricted); linebackers Chris Clemons (exclusive rights) and Warrick Holdman; defensive tackle Cedric Killings; and running back Rock Cartwright. Only Clark and perhaps Evans figure to be somewhat expensive, but even nine minimum-level contracts are a burden for a cap-strapped team.

    All of this doesn't allow for adding any top-line free agents, such as Indianapolis receiver Reggie Wayne; increasing offensive line depth; finding a proven third cornerback; or signing its six draft picks (the first-rounder was dealt to Denver in April for the pick used to select quarterback Jason Campbell).

    After all those money-saving moves and without keeping or adding free agents, the Redskins would have just 37 players on the roster, including 11 who barely have played for them if at all. Even if all those neophytes developed, Washington still would need 14 players to fill out the roster, eight more for the practice squad and an insurance fund to allow for signing replacements when players go on injured reserve.
  2. skinsngibbs4life

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    your a little of with our cap numbers also... we are not 25 over, but 18.8...
  3. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    The Colts should report the Redskins for tampering, after all a Redskin is talking about another team's property ;)
  4. aikemirv

    aikemirv Well-Known Member

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    I think this article speaks for itself!

    This is cap hell and you guys are in the midst of it. The main problem is that when you go into cap hell you should have something to show for it and I don't mean 1 playoff win. If you think you can survive this and continue losing the depth that this article outlines you are fooling yourselves!
  5. clayman

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    Scarily, it doesn't sound so tough.


    http://redskins.scout.com/2/490049.html




    Trimming the Cap--How to Get It Done





    Is Hall a potential cap victim?

    By Robert Large

    Redsident Capologist

    Date: Jan 17, 2006



    Given that the Redskins will now be looking for some salary cap room in 2006 to improve the player personnel on the team, our resident capologist looks at the major moves Washington can make to create some cap room.





    At present the Redskins 2006 cap number is $113.8m (representing 48 players including one ERFA and one RFA), a figure that is $18.8m over the predicted 2006 NFL salary cap of $95m.



    1. Guaranteeing Roster Bonuses

    Lavar Arrington LB – save $4.9m

    Marcus Washington LB – save $1.9m

    Cornelius Griffin DT – save $1.9m

    Shawn Springs CB – save $2.3m

    Clinton Portis RB – save $2.3m



    Other smaller amounts from various players – save $1.7m



    2. Releasing Players Outright

    Matt Bowen SS – save $2.0m

    John Hall K – save [body].8m

    Walt Harris CB – save $2.0m

    Cory Raymer C – save $1.0m



    3. Trades

    Patrick Ramsey QB – save $1.7m (and receive draft pick compensation)



    4. Retirements

    Brandon Noble DT – save $1.7m



    5. Release and resign deals with veterans

    James Thrash WR – cut and resign to vet minimum deal plus the $25k signing bonus – save [body].4m



    6. Restructuring contracts

    Randy Thomas G – basic restructure – save $2.2m

    Jon Jansen OT – basic restructure – save $2.3m

    Mark Brunell QB – basic restructure – save $2.4m



    TOTAL SAVINGS (this list only) - $31.5m



    This is by no mean an exhaustive list, but just the major savers
  6. RedskinNation

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    Cap hell,cap hell,cap hell, cap hell...please...people have been saying it for years....if it hasnt happened then it wont.

    Enjoy. http://redskins.scout.com/2/490049.html

    Trimming the Cap--How to Get It Done


    Is Hall a potential cap victim? By Robert Large
    Redsident Capologist
    Date: Jan 17, 2006

    Given that the Redskins will now be looking for some salary cap room in 2006 to improve the player personnel on the team, our resident capologist looks at the major moves Washington can make to create some cap room.


    At present the Redskins 2006 cap number is $113.8m (representing 48 players including one ERFA and one RFA), a figure that is $18.8m over the predicted 2006 NFL salary cap of $95m.

    1. Guaranteeing Roster Bonuses
    Lavar Arrington LB – save $4.9m
    Marcus Washington LB – save $1.9m
    Cornelius Griffin DT – save $1.9m
    Shawn Springs CB – save $2.3m
    Clinton Portis RB – save $2.3m

    Other smaller amounts from various players – save $1.7m

    2. Releasing Players Outright
    Matt Bowen SS – save $2.0m
    John Hall K – save [body].8m
    Walt Harris CB – save $2.0m
    Cory Raymer C – save $1.0m

    3. Trades
    Patrick Ramsey QB – save $1.7m (and receive draft pick compensation)

    4. Retirements
    Brandon Noble DT – save $1.7m

    5. Release and resign deals with veterans
    James Thrash WR – cut and resign to vet minimum deal plus the $25k signing bonus – save [body].4m

    6. Restructuring contracts
    Randy Thomas G – basic restructure – save $2.2m
    Jon Jansen OT – basic restructure – save $2.3m
    Mark Brunell QB – basic restructure – save $2.4m

    TOTAL SAVINGS (this list only) - $31.5m

    This is by no mean an exhaustive list, but just the major savers.

    Looks like someone was a tad quicker....i do apoligize.

    Bottom line...bonuses can be converted....upside is that you clear room for the current year that you wouldnt normally have. Downside...you spread the bonus over a 4 year period so its sprinkled throughout....in the end it works.
  7. Bob Sacamano

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    that puts you around, off the top of my head, 5.5 or 6 mil under the cap

    you aint going to be doing squat in the offseason
  8. RedskinNation

    RedskinNation New Member

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    Your kidding right?

    Puts us at 6 under the cap NOT included restructuring other players that werent mentioned due to the point of getting the point across.

    Its projected after all tweakings/restructurings are done we will be double digits under....or close to.

    Base salaries in year one arent more than $500,000 - 1mil or so. We will have plenty of room to manuver.

    Like the poster above mentioned...we took a La.Coles $9mil hit and still signed FA's last year.
  9. cfujskins

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    That would be correct if you still believe that $25 Mil over rubbish. We are around -$19 Million. That would be, off the top of my head, around +$12Million or so to work with. But I hope you are right, that we don't do squat (figuratively speaking in correlation to a hyper-active offseason).
  10. BrAinPaiNt

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    I would say the relative lackluster offseason you had last year, compared to earlier years under Snyder, has paid off this season.

    So I can see how many would rather have that compared to overspending for pieces that don't see to fit but just have a name like what was going on with so many coaching changes and Snyder having no one to be afraid of or in true awe of prior to Gibbs.
  11. Bob Sacamano

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    btw, watch out for the Eagles making a big push for Reggie Wayne, they have a shatload of cap space and need a WR
  12. mr.jameswoods

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    Why would Wayne want to leave? Marvin Harrison isn't getting any younger and Wayne has already superceded him as the better receiver much like Torrie Holt did with Isaac Bruce in St. Louis. I would much rather be the primary receiving threat in a pass friendly offense with Peyton Manning throwing to me in a nice cushy dome 8 games a year versus going to Washington and having Mark Brunnell throw to me in bad weather.

    And it's not even about money because Peyton Manning will make certain Reggie Wayne is taken care of. He is not going to let his best receiver walk.
  13. iceberg

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    quote=RedskinNation]3. Trades
    Patrick Ramsey QB – save $1.7m (and receive draft pick compensation)
    [/quote]

    so you're gonna trade ramsey AND get a draft pick compensation?

    wow. ya'll do get to use a different set of rules!
  14. mr.jameswoods

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    Like I said, Peyton Manning is essentially the GM of the Colts. Their recent drafts have been heavily influenced by Manning as the Colts devoted much of their drafts to keep the offense loaded. If he wants Wayne, he gets Wayne. And Wayne is his best receiver so he it's a foregone conclusion that they will keep Wayne. Sure, he will flirt with free agency and have his ego massaged like all free agents. But in the end, he will resign at home.
  15. Bob Sacamano

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    money talks and you know what walks

    a team will offer Wayne more money than Manning will be able to coax the Colt brain-trust into offering him
  16. cfujskins

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    so you're gonna trade ramsey AND get a draft pick compensation?

    wow. ya'll do get to use a different set of rules![/quote]

    Trade for a draft pick. Connect the dots.
  17. Bob Sacamano

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    the most you're gonna get for Ramsey is a mid-round pick, they know you guys don't want him anymore, and will end up cutting him
  18. SkinsandTerps

    SkinsandTerps Redskins Forever

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    Reggie Wayne is the last impact player the Colts drafted on offense and that was 5 years ago. And maybe Dallas Clark.

    Not to mention that Marvin Harrison recently signed a huge contract and Edge will be a UFA.
  19. iceberg

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    Trade for a draft pick. Connect the dots.[/quote]

    sorry, just sounded like you were gonna trade him for the pick and then also get some "comp" picks.

    i need sleep.
  20. Bob Sacamano

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    you will be outbid

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