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Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by sonnyboy, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. sonnyboy

    sonnyboy Benched

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    .......so why bother playing the 1st round game?

    I think we can all agree to disagree on what exactly is the Cowboys greatest need. At what position can this team most benefit from a rookie stepping right in to the starting lineup and playing well........FS, OC, DE, OG, OLB or NT to free a move of Ratliff to DE.

    We can all agree that a good looking rookie at all those positions would help. And while were at it, we can't forget 3rd WR, TE and another CB.


    So why not trade the flip down? I'll go right off the draft value chart(with a slight premium)to set this up. What I'd like are opinions on if it's a good strategy and of course a little fill in the blanks work from all our draft geeks.

    Trade(14) down to (21) for (53)
    Trade(21) down to (33) for (65)

    So now we go to war with:
    (33)
    (45)
    (53)
    (65)
    (81)
    (113)
    (135)
    (152)
    (186)
    (222)

    Ok draft nerds, have fun filling in the blanks and solving all our ills.
  2. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    21 yes. 33 no. Although they probably get 17 and a better second.
  3. sonnyboy

    sonnyboy Benched

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    Would be fun though. Four selection spaced out 8 spots apart picks 33 thru 65. That's 4 quality prospects! Give me a FS, OC, DE and OG or 3rd WR.
  4. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    Give me anybody than can contribute from the word go at any position. Zeitler and Konz would be a start.
  5. sonnyboy

    sonnyboy Benched

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    IDK I've just had the feeling for some time now that the team's been top heavy. It's why we've had so many for so long tout us as so talented. Because in a way we have been and still are.

    We have the stars you want to get you over the top. We just haven't had enough decent to good players and too many poor ones. Too many gaps.

    Our approach to FA was a good start. A draft like this with 8 good prospects from picks 33 to 113 would go a long way toward filling those gaps.
  6. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    Trading completely out of the first is a bad idea
  7. anava

    anava Well-Known Member

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    It worked in 2009 when we had like 12 draft picks.
  8. jswalker1981

    jswalker1981 Fact > Your Opinion

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    Actually, not playing is the same as forfeiting. And when you forfeit, you lose.
  9. cowboysooner

    cowboysooner Well-Known Member

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    So now we go to war with:
    (33) Mercilus/Branch/McClellan
    (45) Alshon Jeffrey
    (53) Janoris Jenkins
    (65) Brandon Brooks
    (81) Jared Crick
    (113)Jaron Hosley
    (135)Markelle Martin
    (152)Malik Jackson
    (186)Emmanuel Acho
    (222)Cliff Harris
  10. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    Jenkins is about to smoke his way out of this draft..he may end up as a UDFA
  11. cowboysooner

    cowboysooner Well-Known Member

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    That's the beauty of multiple picks-diversification of risk.
  12. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    No....that is too far down for our 1st pick

    Way, way too cute
    One trade down is moe than enough please
  13. sonnyboy

    sonnyboy Benched

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    Except our 1st selection in 2009 was in the 80's. This trade down strategy would allow us 4 selectons from 33-65.
  14. sonnyboy

    sonnyboy Benched

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    Why? You don't see the value in dropping our 1st pick from 14 to 33? Gaining the 53 and 65th selection?

    I appreciate high impact players. You need "stars"to win.

    And if there is that perfect Tryon Smith type fit of greatest need filled by far and away the BPA at 14.............then I make the pick.

    Maybe Mark Barron is that.

    This is simply an alternaive to that approach.
  15. ThreeandOut

    ThreeandOut Well-Known Member

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    Now that the first round of the draft is televised in prime time, I doubt that Jerry ever trades out of the first round again.
  16. robert70x7

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  17. Doomsday

    Doomsday Rising Star

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    1st round game? The game gets harder the longer it goes on. Id rather stay at 14 and take the best player on the board.
  18. Eskimo

    Eskimo Well-Known Member

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    In 2009 we had lots of picks but no first round or third round pick due to the Roy Williams trade.

    Jerry then traded out of the second round and drafted poorly for this team with the picks he received.

    It wasn't the trade down that was flawed - it was the draft strategy of aiming for a "special teams" draft that did us in.

    In a draft with this kind of depth but little impact talent at the top I do like the trade down scenario.

    There is nothing magical about the first round. There used to only be 28 teams meaning the 29th pick was in the second round and now it is in the first round. Did the 32nd player suddenly become a better football player now that he is selected in the first instead of the second round? It doesn't make any sense.

    I really think there is first round value for many players selected between 30-45 in this draft and I'd love to get 2 picks in this range and then throw in 5 more before the 4th round is through for a total of 7 picks instead of our allotted 5.

    I think we can get a very high quality OG, OLB and CB in the second round this year who may normally go in the bottom of the first in most drafts if we play our cards right. I think these 3 could be starters before the 2012 season is through.
  19. Eskimo

    Eskimo Well-Known Member

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    Macnalty Active Member

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