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Zogby has race within 3 points/now 12pt difference

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Cajuncowboy, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. Bonecrusher#31

    Bonecrusher#31 Active Member

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  2. VietCowboy

    VietCowboy Be Realistic. Demand the Impossible.

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    so what you are talking about is a conspiracy these past 5 years to not get a conviction? That all the US attorney's that were fired had nothing to do with the fact that they couldn't prosecute 1 on voter fraud? That a prominent former DOJ is lying when he has said the current investigation is nothing but a witch hunt?

    The parent company has done NOTHING WRONG, that does not mean they don't have people who work for them that is unscrupulous. They've been the ones who've pursued their employees that break their rules. Why would they do that? Why would they voluntarily turn in their own employees?
  3. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    What is it about his polling methods that make you say he is "one of the most conservative pollsters"...? (I assume you mean politically conservative, but if I misinterpreted then I apologize).

    One thing about Zogby I have always wondered, and maybe someone here can explain, is precisely how he defines "likely voters". I always see him using that term but have never seen it clearly defined. Does he simply ask the person being polled "How likely are you to vote..?" Or does he ask something like "Did you vote in 2004...?" Of course, that last question would instantly exclude anyone aged 18-22 from being considered a "likely voter" which doesn't seem terribly fair.
  4. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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    Tonight's numbers:

    Obama 51.6%
    McCain 42.0%

  5. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    Lawyer Speak... no one convicted...

    ACORN is innocent, conservatives are all that is wrong with this country...

    Technicalities won't go much here... unless we have to define what "is" is... ;)

    Cue the Starr bunch...

    I like talking to Viet... nice gal and very smart...

    I will offer you this from Winston Churchill:
    "If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not conservative when you're older, you have no brain."

    Not sure if it is accurate, although it has gone around for years...

    The point is that you change values as you get older...

    Once you have a family your values change...

    I would very much like to see your thinking in 20 years... things do change in regards to values...

    20 years ago I was a poon hound... this day and age I am desperate to see my kids run in the district track meet to the point I will take off from work and drive 275 miles to do so...

    We all know how to solve the world's problems in our 20's. When we get in our 30's, not so much. Until the two party system changes, you have to conform. It's not Republican or Democrat... it's the system. Obama will not change this, so don't fool yourself...

    Don't hang your values on the here and now... your ultimate value is what you do in regards to your family. Once you hold that little guy/gal in your arms for the first time, all bets are off... if you don't cry, you aren't human, you will see...you will be amazed at how your values change at that point. I'm not saying it is Democrat or Republican... but it certainly is values...

    I will tell you, those diapers suck... but you will change them with a smile on your face and a song in your heart (and a clothespin on your nose)... :D

    (Hint) if you have a boy, when you take that diaper off, put your hand in front of that junk if you don't want a pee shower... ;)

    Can I get a shout out for that one?

    It's not a an issue of politics, it's an issue of family... your values will change no matter what party you support... Minor issues become major issues... What you value now will CERTAINLY change...

    I'm just sayin'...
  6. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    I will offer this as well...

    Joe Biden has made a LOT of money in his life... he is CERTAINLY not a millionaire, but he has made some good coin...

    Does it bother you that he has given an average $369 dollars a year over the past decade?

    I give that much every other month... and I make MUCH less than he does although I can't complain... and I won't except that he condones more from me...

    I am not a fan of Bush/Cheney, but Cheney made 9 million last year and gave 7 million to charity. I remember a dolt here that said it was warranted and political and totally dismissed it...

    Now, Biden gave a total of $369 a year over the last ten years... is that not embarrassing and hypocritical? I guess he's not patriotic...

    Obama wasn't much better until he decided to run for president...

    This from the Huffington Post:
    From 2000 through 2004, the senator and his wife never gave more than $3,500 a year in charitable donations -- about 1 percent of their annual earnings. In 2005, however, that total jumped to $77,315 (4.7 percent of annual earnings), and to $60,307 in 2006 (6.1 percent).

    $3500 is less than I give... and it increased when he was seeking the presidency... and still VERY low...

    How can he ask us to give, and be appreciative, when he is a selfish ******* in his own right?
  7. hairic

    hairic Well-Known Member

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    That quote by Churchill is incorrect. It's just repulican/not, socialism/not, then socialism/conservatism, but never liberalism/conservatism. I also don't think Churchill ever said it, because it'd make no sense. He was a member of the Conservatives when young, switch to Liberals a few years later, then switched back to Conservatives. If he did say it, I imagine it'd be along the lines of socialism/capitalism.

    Here's the quote:
    Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart;
    to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.
    -Francois Guisot (1787-1874)

    It was regarding whether France should become a repulic or a monarchy.
  8. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    First of all, did I not qualify it by saying I wasn't sure?

    It has been going around for all of my life...

    On the other hand, you interpreted it as fact in the way you heard it after saying you weren't sure whether or not he said it...

    I said I wasn't sure... you said he never said it, then said you weren't sure... Did you not?

    I honestly don't know...

    I find it odd you can interpret it and not be sure he said it...

    Again... I don't know and I qualified that... you don't know and applied it...
  9. hairic

    hairic Well-Known Member

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    The reason I said never is because the amended quote belongs to someone else - it can't be Churchill's quote. But that doesn't mean he could have said something different, but related (more relevant to his philosophy) or he may have parroted the amended quote of some French guy (socialist/conservative). It was just a simple speculation.

    I'm also aware of the qualified part. That's why I quoted the relevant parts of your post, instead of just the quote.

    Anyway, the only reason I posted this was because it's been posted here before, it didn't compute, and I went and looked at some history. I didn't want to correct the poster at the time because they give me logic headaches. I'm done with it.
  10. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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    Tonight's Zogby:

    Obama 52.2%
    McCain 40.3%

  11. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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  12. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Actually, at the moment the Real Clear Politics website (a conservative site) has Obama's average lead at 7 points... I checked it about 2 minutes ago...
  13. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Ozzu, you hit on the real key to this election-- money... Obama's rolling in it, to the point where he's gonna be able to buy a HALF HOUR of air time on the major networks next week...

    What's most entertaining about this money advantage is that it's come from millions and millions of small donors like me-- I've sent in 5 bucks on two different occasions... it was all I could afford...

    That's the genius of the Obama campaign; when I get e-mail requests from them, they start out by asking for five bucks, then mention that you can give more... when I get a mailing from the GOP, they start out asking for a grand, and the smallest donation they mention is 35 bucks...

    It's true, watch your pennies and the dollars add up... I'd also suggest that the money disparity reflects the nation's deep discontent with what the Republicans have done to the country these last 8 years...
  14. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    I was blown away by Obama getting $150 mill last month, unreal:eek:

    Good to see you back on the boards Silverbear, everything been ok???
  15. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    What exactly is the advantage to the registering party in lying about the voter's political affiliation?? It's not like the voter will vote differently than he intended to all along...
  16. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    If and when they're convicted of any crime, I'll agree with you...
  17. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    So, we're supposed to shut ACORN down, deny them the same due process afforded to every citizen??

    It don't work that way, pal... you want 'em shut down, you're gonna have to convict them of something...

    From where I sit, all they're guilty of is a rather stupid employment policy... they really oughta fix that...
  18. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Again, some INDIVIDUALS working for ACORN were convicted of crimes, and presumably are being punished for those crimes... in most of those cases, they were turned in by ACORN itself...

    You still haven't provided one example of where the organization has been found guilty of ANYTHING...
  19. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Have you been missing your common sense long??

    ACORN had some employees who were too freakin' LAZY to actually go out and do the work, so they filled out a bunch of bogus registration forms... IOW, they ripped ACORN off... for eight bucks an hour...

    Which makes ACORN stupid, but not criminal...
  20. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    That's not true-- it's NEOcons that are behind most of what's wrong with this country...

    There's nothing wrong with conservatism...

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