Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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It is a pipe dream but I would see if Cincy would take him in a trade for the number 1 overall. Dak plus 2 1's for Burrow, I would be down. To bad we will give Dak 36-38 mil though.
 

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I have no interest in guys like Case Keenum. Zero upside over Prescott. Similar ability with their arms and no scope to improve.

Easy decision really.

Draft a QB in first or second round and get what we can for Prescott.

We save 30 million dollars.

Blow our nose and move on.
 

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the problem has and will always be the GM.
you have to capitalize on young quarterbacks when their contracts are very cheap. surround them with talent on both sides of the ball, it's too late when you give them ridiculous contracts. you can't afford to have both sides of the ball with talent.
this organization hasn't learnt this and probably won't.
coaching has probably ruined both guys chances to compete for a championship unless mike can pull a rabbit out of his butt and get cheap high-quality players on both sides of the ball after you have to pay the quarterback.

To me,
As I have mentioned in the past, lt all boils down to if the 3 headed monster of the organization are all doing their jobs well.

The GM, HC and QB need to be setting the example in the performance of their duties.
Without mentioning the GMs you have Hoodie and Belicheck as the given platinum level QB HC success formula combo.

But there are others who have performed at championship contending levels as well just not as fortunate as the Pats platinum level success. This is the standard that I had and always will expect of the Cowboys organization but when the foundational pieces are the obstacle to overcome, you will NEVER overcome those odds and be stuck in a purgatory type existence. These are your Dallas Cowboys.

Of course the Patriots are the shining example outlier to consider as their GM, HC and QB combos have performed at a championship contending level for a sustained period of time regardless of QB contract amount or roster turnover considerations.
But my point is with the several other teams who, while not achieving Patriot type success, have been legitimately in the hunt for a decent amount of time.

Tomlin with Big Ben. Carroll with Russ,. Harbaugh with Flacco and now even Jackson. McCarthy with Rodgers. Possibly now Reid with Mahommes.(altho Reid had won with Smith too.)
My point being all these GM, HC and QB combos performed at a championship contending level for a sustained period of time in the not so distant past.
IT CAN BE DONE. Just not with the current cast of characters in their current jobs with the Dallas Cowboys. The GM, HC and QB have to be consistently good at their jobs. With the exception of Flacco, these aforementioned combos are all elite QBs with elite coaches and non meddling Owner/so called GM types.

The Cowboys organization has lacked ALL 3 being good at their jobs at the same time for 25 years. That has been and will continue to be my opinion on the inability to win. The same situation STILL applies to this day.
 
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It's not always about better options. It's about talent acquisition and cost of replacement. Why pay Dak elite money when he isn't elite? You can get similar production for cheaper and he is proof. He's a 4th round comp pick who got the starting job due to injury not talent. We've built an offense that is designed to dominate with average QB play.
 

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It is a pipe dream but I would see if Cincy would take him in a trade for the number 1 overall. Dak plus 2 1's for Burrow, I would be down. To bad we will give Dak 36-38 mil though.

If you were the owner of the Bengals would you even consider that? And Dak isn't going to want Nick Foles money.
 

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Same as what we did with Prescott - draft a solid, not spectacular, rookie QB for a pittance. Business is business.

We may even land a gem of a QB who can carry the team. Worst case scenario I would be truly shocked if we drafted a QB in the first or second round who was unable to at least drive the bus like Prescott.

Try to acquire a few draft picks for Prescott and offload him.

It would save us 30 million dollars
Why are you on board with this philosophy now, while fighting against it the past 4 years with Dak?
 

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It's not always about better options. It's about talent acquisition and cost of replacement. Why pay Dak elite money when he isn't elite? You can get similar production for cheaper and he is proof. He's a 4th round comp pick who got the starting job due to injury not talent. We've built an offense that is designed to dominate with average QB play.

I agree. Dallas would be able to resign pretty much any UFA they want to keep. Then pick up Love or Eason in the draft. What would be the risk? After the anomaly that was 2016 the Cowboys have been slightly above average. I think the higher risk is paying this QB and losing some key free agents.
 

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If you were the owner of the Bengals would you even consider that? And Dak isn't going to want Nick Foles money.

Well they can expect offers like that because they have said they would entertain offers to trade out of it. So.... no I dont think they would but I would propose before I broke the bank to pay Dak.
 

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Well they can expect offers like that because they have said they would entertain offers to trade out of it. So.... no I dont think they would but I would propose before I broke the bank to pay Dak.

Then they should have specified serious offers. But I would think that would be a given.

They need a QB and they're sitting at #1 with one of the best QB prospects since Andrew Luck waiting to be drafted. If I'm the owner of the Bengals I'm looking for an offer I can't refuse. That would come from teams that are drafting top 7 so that I could at least draft a QB. The Cowboys don't have the draft capital or players to move up to #1.
 

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Dak finished 5th in the MVP votes, yet 70% of the fans in here think he'd garbage.

Pay the man his $36-38 and let's win a SB. Enough with the dumb shhhh.
 

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It's not always about better options. It's about talent acquisition and cost of replacement. Why pay Dak elite money when he isn't elite? You can get similar production for cheaper and he is proof. He's a 4th round comp pick who got the starting job due to injury not talent. We've built an offense that is designed to dominate with average QB play.
Exactly. Dak is just good enough to eat your cap and also keep you from drafting top ten.

This roster is gonna suck the next few years
 

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But these clowns think were imagining things when we say Dak doesnt pass the eyeball test. There is a reason the NFL scouts go out and watch QBs throw the ball instead of just looking at numbers.
And there is a reason you’re a fan and not an nfl scout or GM and are posting angry from your corner because you probably played high school football and failed. People love to sit here and bash Dak. Meanwhile he has done nothing but be a leader and an example of a human being we can all strive to be in life. He played at a brutal salary for the last 4 years and now wants more and people are upset and say he’s garbage?

Y’all need to look at the whole body of work and incorporate the fact he was forced to play Romo ball when he isn’t and never has been a pocket passer. Garrett refused to change his scheme to fit his QB. Something MM said in his first 3 sentences as the HC was the scheme will be tailored to fit Dak. Not the other way around.

I can’t wait to see how many of the Dak haters on this blog change their tune next year (myself included if he fails under MM) because all of you are so entrenched in your agenda you won’t even admit you were wrong if he succeeds.
 
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Every day I read a new thread about that QB who is going to somehow make us look like a genius for not signing Dak.

-- Matthew Stafford? Didn't anyone learn with Aikman what happens to an immobile QB over 30 with a bad back?
-- Teddy Bridgewater? How many games has he proven himself in his career since 2015? You realize he never threw more than 14 TDs a year before his injury?
-- Philip Rivers? He almost threw more interceptions than TDs in his worst year ever. He was booed out of the stadium by his own fans his last game!
-- Tom Brady? He turns 43 this year! I repeat, he turns 43! I didn't even trust myself jumping off my truck tailgate at 43. Nevermind a QB in the NFL!
-- Insert whichever QB is the flavor of the moment.

Here we have a 26 year old QB about to enter the prime of his career. Except for one sophomore slump, he has pulled in terrific numbers and wins every year. I won't post the repeat stat threads that show how Dak lines up well against all the recent great QBs in most significant stats and wins numbers. He's not a choker in the Playoffs. He just got done with a record year on a team that had given up on its head coach, and oh yeah, he tried to close it out with more than one significant injury. We'll never see him in a rape or wife beater headline, we'll never see the team give up on him or him isolate them with his primadonna act. He IS high grade quality individual, tough as nails, and this is about as safe a contract as you can gamble on.

You want to rally against him because he won't sign for the same as the last QB free agent? Fine. But look at the competition above. His agent isn't stupid. Someone will pony up $40 million a year for Dak. He is the only one on the list who guarantees you 7 years of a franchise QB.

If you want to have a serious QB debate, why not talk about some 2nd-4th round draft pick bargains that could become the next... gulp... Dak! Just in case we have to franchise him and it goes south. I look forward to someone telling me who that next hidden draft pick is who could play Tony Romo into retirement.

No big deal...….Its just the same pathetic trolls regurgitating the same tired threads week after week.

Dak isn't going anywhere for the next 5 years at least. Just laugh and move on.
 

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And there is a reason you’re a fan and not an nfl scout or GM and are posting angry from your corner because you probably played high school football and failed. People love to sit here and bash Dak. Meanwhile he has done nothing but be a leader and an example of a human being we can all strive to be in life. He played at a brutal salary for the last 4 years and now wants more and people are upset and say he’s garbage?

Y’all need to look at the whole body of work and incorporate the fact he was forced to play Romo ball when he isn’t and never has been a pocket passer. Garrett refused to change his scheme to fit his QB. Something MM said in his first 3 sentences as the HC was the scheme will be tailored to fit Dak. Not the other way around.

I can’t wait to see how many of the Dak haters on this blog change their tune next year (myself included if he fails under MM) because all of you are so entrenched in your agenda you won’t even admit you were wrong if he succeeds.

He already has proven them all dead wrong. These same fools were calling Dak a backup a few years ago. Then they called him average. All have been proven dead wrong along with 20 other dumb things they have said.
 

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A friend of mine fits this group, a Romoholic. When he was playing he was frustrated with his picks. Now since he is gone he acts as if Romo was Brady.

Does not want to say one good thing about Dak. He doesn’t hate him, just don’t think he should be The QB mostly as he still think Romo should be here.
He says Dak is not the answer but can’t tell me his reasons. I guess it is the old “eye” test crap. :laugh:

well what about the Dakaholics "It Factor" and "Clutch" crap? Isn't it just as laughable?
 

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Why are you on board with this philosophy now, while fighting against it the past 4 years with Dak?

I have always advocated that the team make use of a QB on a rookie deal, countless posts on this forum in the past.

I do not rate Prescott as an elite QB or a player that can carry a team. I do not value him on the same level as others on this forum who seem to regard him as Tom Brady 2.0.

He is far more like Andy Dalton, a QB that a team can win a Superbowl with if he isn't being paid like the top QB in the league so that the team can carry him in other areas.

How many teams have won the Superbowl by paying a QB top money who isn't worth top money over the last ten years? Nobody, maybe Eli Manning in 2011 but I don't think he was making elite money or was he?

Point is, history has shown that it just doesn't happen yet we are likely going down that painful avenue.

All I care about is winning a Superbowl, I do not care who the QB is, I just want the team to have the best chance of reaching that objective.

Do you think paying Prescott circa $40 million a season will help us reach the big dance...
 
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