Byron Jones. Is he a key to our new defense?

[Redball Express]

With all the buzz about Dak and Amari being priorities going forward..

Now that Richard is gone, where does this leave Jones?

We tend to take him for granted and we assume he is replaceable.

I think not.

Initially he was drafted to be our safety. He was used at both safety positions before moving him to CB.

In our new defense, multiple position talent is not expendable to me.

If we moved him back to safety in zone defenses and out to CB in man to man..

he suddenly becomes multi useful and can disguise the defense prior to the snap. This should be very confusing for their QB to figure out.

And supposedly he is fast and won broad jumps in college. Meaning he should be effective as a blitzer.

This would be interesting as well..blitz from CB or safety.

What a concept.

So now should we keep Jones, give him more options to use him and forget spending a high draft pick trying to find a top safety?

I just believe if we are having to fortify everywhere on defense, it becomes a leaky dam to fix.

And depending on rookies to rescue us is not good.

Landry used to say for every rookie you have starting..

it will cost you 1 game a year.

Hmmmm..

As always..comments from the peanut gallery?

Thanx in advance for your replies?

 

[kskboys]

With all the buzz about Dak and Amari being priorities going forward..

Now that Richard is gone, where does this leave Jones?

We tend to take him for granted and we assume he is replaceable.

I think not.

Initially he was drafted to be our safety. He was used at both safety positions before moving him to CB.

In our new defense, multiple position talent is not expendable to me.

If we moved him back to safety in zone defenses and out to CB in man to man..

he suddenly becomes multi useful and can disguise the defense prior to the snap. This should be very confusing for their QB to figure out.

And supposedly he is fast and won broad jumps in college. Meaning he should be effective as a blitzer.

This would be interesting as well..blitz from CB or safety.

What a concept.

So now should we keep Jones, give him more options to use him and forget spending a high draft pick trying to find a top safety?

I just believe if we are having to fortify everywhere on defense, it becomes a leaky dam to fix.

And depending on rookies to rescue us is not good.

Landry used to say for every rookie you have starting..

it will cost you 1 game a year.

Hmmmm..

As always..comments from the peanut gallery?

Thanx in advance for your replies?

No. They key is to finally get quality disruptive DT's.

Byron would be a nice piece if he didn't cost so durn much.

 

[glimmerman]

I have yet to hear what Jones is wanting for money. He is likely taking offers.

 

[kskboys]

I have yet to hear what Jones is wanting for money. He is likely taking offers.

Yeah, but w/ several teams being interested, it's unlikely his amount will be affordable. Hate to see him go, but a cap strapping contract is even worse.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Byron is the most overrated player on this roster that I could remember

 

[CATCH17]

No. They key is to finally get quality disruptive DT's.

Byron would be a nice piece if he didn't cost so durn much.

That is the most rare position in football to find..

If we look at getting a quality disruptive DT in Free Agency then our best choice is probably Maliek Collins or a hope that David Irving wants to continue to play football.


I got a feeling if the CBA doesn't change that Dallas may tag and trade Amari, sign Byron, and draft a WR in round 1. It's just a hunch but getting rid of Amari gives us some cap relief and since Dak is a elite franchise QB he should be ok with middle tier WR's.

 

[glimmerman]

Yeah, but w/ several teams being interested, it's unlikely his amount will be affordable. Hate to see him go, but a cap strapping contract is even worse.

See what happens with the tags.

 

[CATCH17]

Byron is the most overrated player on this roster that I could remember

Some things you have to consider..

Most NFL corners are overrated because regardless of how good they are the rules are against them.

Byron is one of the best cover corners in football and according to next gen stats he has lead the league in forcing the QB to make "tight window throws" since 2018.

The Cowboys coaches also did him no favors by flip flopping him around and even though he hasn't had the full amount of Cornerback experience that he should have he was an All Pro corner.

He's also 6'1 and a freak athlete.





So maybe the position in general is overrated but Byron Jones is very underrated on this forum.

I love how the fans complain about our defense but still share Jerry's vision of the 90's triplets and wanting to pay RB's and WR's top tier money along with slightly above mediocre QB's like they are elite then blame the team for a lack of playoff success but also applaud them for prioritizing their cap space improperly.

 

[kskboys]

That is the most rare position in football to find..

If we look at getting a quality disruptive DT in Free Agency then our best choice is probably Maliek Collins or a hope that David Irving wants to continue to play football.


I got a feeling if the CBA doesn't change that Dallas may tag and trade Amari, sign Byron, and draft a WR in round 1. It's just a hunch but getting rid of Amari gives us some cap relief and since Dak is a elite franchise QB he should be ok with middle tier WR's.

It is. That's why I'm always screaming we should be drafting the position more often. Instead, we're left throwing valuable high picks at projects such as Hill.

Our drafting doesn't really suck, but our drafting philosophy blows chunks.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Free agency has...
P..J.Williams,
Bradly Roby,
Brian Poole,
Trae Wayans,
Eli Apple,
Kevin Johndon,
James Bradberry

and about ten other name worthy guys. Dallas more than likely will grab a free agent and bring in s rookie, if Byron walks. Fixing the defensive line is the key to our new defense IMO.

 

[CATCH17]

It is. That's why I'm always screaming we should be drafting the position more often. Instead, we're left throwing valuable high picks at projects such as Hill.

Our drafting doesn't really suck, but our drafting philosophy blows chunks.

It's just hard to draft in general but I think the coaches had to much say over the scouts in some instances.. At least I hope that is the case.

I've heard the scouts wanted TJ Watt but Marinelli wanted Taco because Taco fit a prototype.

I also heard Marinelli was the one who pushed for Trystin Hill.. The thing I don't like about Hill is that they decided he was their pick before the draft started.

 

[jazzcat22]

Think I will sit back and accept what happens. On the fence about it but leaning more to keep Jones, as he can only improve with a new staff and scheme.
But don't think I will be upset or pleased either way. Always hate losing a talented player, but that is the way of the NFL now days.
Can't change it, only can accept it or stop watching. And that is not going to happen.

Not my money so I don't get caught up in the cap crap, as to oh, we can get 5 players for that contract. Well those 5 players, 4 will probably not work out, and the one that does, is just most likely a 4 year rental anyway.

Keep what you know is more the way to go if he doesn't get a huge offer elsewhere, which is likely. They wanted to keep Hitchens, or seemed so, but they were not going to pay what KC did.

 

[CouchCoach]

He was not drafted to play Safety, he was a CB they had to play at Safety out of necessity. Booger doesn't draft Safety's in the 1st round. He played both at UConn but his skill set said CB. Had he not been the Combine freak that year, chances are he doesn't go in the 1st playing football at a basketball school out of the Power 5.

Jones is a casualty of O stars up and since this is a follow the ball FO, he's not a priority. He gets downgraded by posters here because of the lack of picks. That is not the @1 requirement of the position.

The problem isn't Jones, it's what they gave Lawrence and Elliott and having Prescott and Cooper up. And Jones season in 2019 was not as good as 2018 but what player on that D had a 2019 season except Quinn as a pass rusher?

 

[CouchCoach]

It is. That's why I'm always screaming we should be drafting the position more often. Instead, we're left throwing valuable high picks at projects such as Hill.

Our drafting doesn't really suck, but our drafting philosophy blows chunks.

It's the position drafting that is screwed up. I LMAO at that remark Booger made to Donald. That was after the fact that he's shown what a force he is. They probably wouldn't have taken him if he had been there.

 

[kskboys]

It's just hard to draft in general but I think the coaches had to much say over the scouts in some instances.. At least I hope that is the case.

I've heard the scouts wanted TJ Watt but Marinelli wanted Taco because Taco fit a prototype.

I also heard Marinelli was the one who pushed for Trystin Hill.. The thing I don't like about Hill is that they decided he was their pick before the draft started.

And Hill was/is a project. I honestly think he might've been there in the 4th/5th. There didn't seem to be this great desire for him, making him worthy of a high pick.

Taco was rated where we took him, and was rated ahead of TJ in most ratings that I saw.

 

[aria]

With all the buzz about Dak and Amari being priorities going forward..

Now that Richard is gone, where does this leave Jones?

We tend to take him for granted and we assume he is replaceable.

I think not.

Initially he was drafted to be our safety. He was used at both safety positions before moving him to CB.

In our new defense, multiple position talent is not expendable to me.

If we moved him back to safety in zone defenses and out to CB in man to man..

he suddenly becomes multi useful and can disguise the defense prior to the snap. This should be very confusing for their QB to figure out.

And supposedly he is fast and won broad jumps in college. Meaning he should be effective as a blitzer.

This would be interesting as well..blitz from CB or safety.

What a concept.

So now should we keep Jones, give him more options to use him and forget spending a high draft pick trying to find a top safety?

I just believe if we are having to fortify everywhere on defense, it becomes a leaky dam to fix.

And depending on rookies to rescue us is not good.

Landry used to say for every rookie you have starting..

it will cost you 1 game a year.

Hmmmm..

As always..comments from the peanut gallery?

Thanx in advance for your replies?

Who cares if he takes out other teams best receivers and limits the field, with no interceptions he’s worthless. We want guys that are only decent at covering and give up big plays but get a few INT’s a year

As usual, I keep hearing about all the “talent” on this team but everyone is easily replaceable or not that good. Still trying to figure that out.

 

[kskboys]

He was not drafted to play Safety, he was a CB they had to play at Safety out of necessity. Booger doesn't draft Safety's in the 1st round. He played both at UConn but his skill set said CB. Had he not been the Combine freak that year, chances are he doesn't go in the 1st playing football at a basketball school out of the Power 5.

Jones is a casualty of O stars up and since this is a follow the ball FO, he's not a priority. He gets downgraded by posters here because of the lack of picks. That is not the @1 requirement of the position.

The problem isn't Jones, it's what they gave Lawrence and Elliott and having Prescott and Cooper up. And Jones season in 2019 was not as good as 2018 but what player on that D had a 2019 season except Quinn as a pass rusher?

Jones played almost as much S in college as CB. He was not a CB coming in, he was a CB/S.

I know, I know, people's agenda. They want to bash the org, so they claim how horrific it was to play Byron at S. It was a good move to see if he could do it.

 

[CATCH17]

And Hill was/is a project. I honestly think he might've been there in the 4th/5th. There didn't seem to be this great desire for him, making him worthy of a high pick.

Taco was rated where we took him, and was rated ahead of TJ in most ratings that I saw.

I didn't have a problem with the Taco pick at the time but now that I have hindsight I do have a problem with it because from everything I heard the scouts wanted TJ Watt.

From what i've seen over the years is most NFL coaches don't have a clue when it comes to evaluating college talent and how it translates to the Pro's.

Let the scouts scout and the coaches coach.

 

[CouchCoach]

Think I will sit back and accept what happens. On the fence about it but leaning more to keep Jones, as he can only improve with a new staff and scheme.
But don't think I will be upset or pleased either way. Always hate losing a talented player, but that is the way of the NFL now days.
Can't change it, only can accept it or stop watching. And that is not going to happen.

Not my money so I don't get caught up in the cap crap, as to oh, we can get 5 players for that contract. Well those 5 players, 4 will probably not work out, and the one that does, is just most likely a 4 year rental anyway.

Keep what you know is more the way to go if he doesn't get a huge offer elsewhere, which is likely. They wanted to keep Hitchens, or seemed so, but they were not going to pay what KC did.

Because D players do not have as much value to this FO. They just don't get the team concept. They want stars a plenty on the O side and think they can get by with those D's. And add to that, they haven't even bothered to get A list D coaching, turned it over to second rate D coaching.

Do we think they ever stopped to ask why one of the two most D oriented HC's in the league didn't want Richard for his rebuild?

 

[kskboys]

I didn't have a problem with the Taco pick at the time but now that I have hindsight I do have a problem with it because from everything I heard the scouts wanted TJ Watt.

From what i've seen over the years is most NFL coaches don't have a clue when it comes to evaluating college talent and how it translates to the Pro's.

Let the scouts scout and the coaches coach.

It's true.

Just look at how bad Bellychickens is at drafting WR's, and he's the best HC in the NFL.