Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

[CATCH17]

what are the chances of winning superbowl with any other QB, that would realistically be available?

I am not a dak fan, nor anti-dak. I want what's best for cowboys. I just haven't heard anyone make a viable argument that we have a better "realistic" option than Dak that would lead to a superbowl…..I have heard people argue for Jamis Winston who is absolutely horrible, Mariotta for Gawd's sake, Keenum...yes, keenum!!!, trade for Stafford as he is not in the market to be traded and he has been no better than dak, now coming off a serious injury at the age of 33, Tom Brady at 43 and teddy bridgewater just because he is grass that to some people is greener on the other side.

I have been a Dak critic and been accused of being a Dak hater!! (go figure)….but what I criticized him about is improving his fundamentals that would lead to improving his game, he made great strides last year just by improving his footwork and in a better offensive scheme with a rookie OC, in his second year of coaching in his entire career, he was one of the top passers in the league....yet still handicapped by an imbecile for a head coach!!! who somehow managed to make all the wrong decisions at the wrong times in games....

and why would our changes of winning a superbowl go bye bye? I don't buy that.

Dak is not Mahomes...there aren't any other QBs in the league that are mahomes. Brees and Brady are sunsetting. if Brady was still atop the league bilicheck and NE wouldnt' let him go and test the market...so are we questioning Bilicheck's wisdom? are we ignoring bilicheck factor in NE success? this is the same coach that has won with other QBs in his system, but what we don't know if brady can win in another system with other players....

so what are the realistic options? if you have no better options than what we currently have, despite you not liking the current option, its the best option available....

so what is your other proposal and options that would make cowboys better?

You can not buy it all you want but it’s clear that QBs that have huge cap hits don’t win the Super Bowl..

Heck I heard a stat that said 8 of the last 10 seasons the QB with the highest cap percentage didn’t even make the playoffs..

There is a direct correlation.

Defense, quality coaching, and quality QB play for cheap is the way.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How can the be empty stats if the Packers and the Saints made the playoffs? In terms of Stafford, that may be true but he is doing it with a lot less talent on the Offensive side of the ball. The problem with the Dak situation is that the expectations for the Cowboys this season was much, much greater. The expectations for the Lions was little to nothing. That's the real issue.

coaching. do you think that if we had sean peyton, that perhaps we would have had 2 more wins?
and GB missed playoffs last year and made it this year with an offense more suited to Rodgers....and I bet you he has had some games where it was empty stats....maybe not as much, but defintley a few.....

 

[Section446]

Depends, how much are we paying Dak? If it's $40 million, tons of better options.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak has been surrounded by optimal talent..

Put Stafford in Dallas, protect him, ask him to do less and not try to carry his team like he does in Detroit and he will be as good or most likely better then Dak for cheaper then Daks upcoming contract.

Stafford has had some talent around him in the past and he has not accomplished anything...

optimal talent? like in 2017? and in 2018 first 8 games he didn't have any WRs or TEs...it was so easy to defend the cowboys, even I could devise an easy game plan.

and coaching

and Stafford is now 33, with a broken bone in his back..... his goose is cooked. he has never been impressive to me and he seemed to always fold under pressure.

sorry, I disagree

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Collecting the stats in an objective manner would be extremely time consuming and change exactly no one's mind. The pro dak agenda that people like yourself have isn't going to allow you to accept it. Why waste my time?

I have noted the past year frequently but I my biggest fears are based around previous years. For example, last year before Coop showed up, Dak was flat out terrible. Again, I'm not going to back that up because you either know that or not. Dak has proven that he needs a really good team around him to succeed and paying him a fortune is going to make that extraordinarily difficult to accomplish.

I don't have a pro or anti agenda. as mentioned I have been called a dak hater by many. I am as objective about this as they come. what I ask for is an alternative that would 1- realistic and 2- clearly better. as mentioned in the absence of better options, the option at hand is the best option even if you don't like it.

and last year before coop, he had a rookie in gallup, no TE and not sure who else was the WR. they said the same excuse for Brady this year not performing well as he didn't have any weapons he was used to having. it was obvious that offense missed gronk. the question is what can they do when they are given good weapons. I wouldn't put coop in the top 10 WR in the league, yet with him the offense has been top 5 and this year top 2 in passing. the myth that these super QBs can do it all by themselves without having the right weapons around them to excel, is just that, a myth. even Mahomes had a couple of weapons, but given those weapons he won the superbowl and he was top 5 passing every year.

I expect the QB and offense to excel when they have the right weapons, in the right system.

again, what are the other options that are realistic and clearly better.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

coaching. do you think that if we had sean peyton, that perhaps we would have had 2 more wins?
and GB missed playoffs last year and made it this year with an offense more suited to Rodgers....and I bet you he has had some games where it was empty stats....maybe not as much, but defintley a few.....

Sure, could be coaching but in the end, does it matter? I mean, it was there to be won and though I doubt we could have gone far in the playoffs, the opportunities for Dak were there. That's the real kicker. As poor as the coaching was, we still had control of the Division and we still were in a position to control our own destiny. That was on Dak as much as it was coaching and I'm sorry to be so blunt about it but Dak bet on himself this season and I think he has cost himself. Results mattered there and he didn't produce. Garrett and the Coaching Staff are gone. Dak is still her but I think it's going to cost him to stay. That's just my opinion.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You can not buy it all you want but it’s clear that QBs that have huge cap hits don’t win the Super Bowl..

Heck I heard a stat that said 8 of the last 10 seasons the QB with the highest cap percentage didn’t even make the playoffs..

There is a direct correlation.

Defense, quality coaching, and quality QB play for cheap is the way.

I don't disagree that smart spending is critical to success. smart drafting is even more critical and that's where we failed the past two seasons outside of seemingly gallup and if LVE returns from injury.

but what are the other options.....

is it as simple as tank it, draft a QB high in the draft, make a run for 5 years, move on and tank again and wash, rinse, repeat?

the only way the above scenario can work out is if the QBs are in their first contract and if its Tom Brady giving home town discounts and I don't know too many QBs who will give home town discount. or can play until their are 43. he is an exception and we can't build a team or approach it using an exception....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Sure, could be coaching but in the end, does it matter? I mean, it was there to be won and though I doubt we could have gone far in the playoffs, the opportunities for Dak were there. That's the real kicker. As poor as the coaching was, we still had control of the Division and we still were in a position to control our own destiny. That was on Dak as much as it was coaching and I'm sorry to be so blunt about it but Dak bet on himself this season and I think he has cost himself. Results mattered there and he didn't produce. Garrett and the Coaching Staff are gone. Dak is still her but I think it's going to cost him to stay. That's just my opinion.

see you are spinning it again to make the coaching decisions and short falls blamed on Dak. Dak had fault in this, I am not excusing him from it, but I am not willing to turn a blind eye to the pathetic coaching, having to deal with a 1st year OC, in his 2nd year of coaching anywhere in life. I argued in preseason that he will be schooled in a few games and seemingly it happened and garrett took more control (I am not sure if that's better or worse). I am not willing to excuse the pathetic, worst in the league special teams. I am not willing to excuse the underwhelming defense that collapsed during many crucial games, such as the jets giving up the most to one of the worst offenses in the league. we can't simply say, hey coach screwed up, special teams screwed up. the OC screwed up. the defense screwed up, but Dak should have pulled it and he didn't.

as a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the defense and special teams, Pat's would have had a losing season given their offensive performance. SF made it to the superbowl with 8 pass attempts in a game from their 120M QB. and if KC's defense wouldn't have improved, they would have probably ended up same place as they did last year, losing because their defense couldnt' make crucial stops.

everyone wants to just pin everything on Dak and I think that's the wrong approach because then we go about fixing the wrong problem. the problem is the special teams. the coaching and defense. the problem is the middle of the defense was soft. the DEs were underwhelming, our safties sucked and our best CB, might as well wear boxing gloves since he couldn't get an interception if his life depended on it. our DTs were awful and the special teams...we missed 10 kicks from over 40 in a row before we replaced the kicker and that alone cost us at least a game or two.

and then the stupidity of Jones. all the coaches went into this season. mostly in the last year of their contracts. the head coach, etc.....and that created an atmosphere that wasn't conducive to success. it was a lame duck year and the pressure got to the coaches, the team and the locker room. I am surprised we even made it to 8-8. most other teams would probably implode and we have seen teams implode under that kind of pressure. and in the end, it was a fitting finish for garrett going into the last game with the most horrible game plan, once again just like he started, going to philly win and you are in, lose and you are out and he lost it again. this team, the coaches, slowly quit on each other over the year and that is directly fault of Jerry Jones for creating such and environment and allowing it to happen.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Depends, how much are we paying Dak? If it's $40 million, tons of better options.

fair enough......

lets say Dak wants 40.

we dont' pay.

who do we bring in? what should we expect? are we going to be superbowl caliber with that option? what's our roadmap?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

see you are spinning it again to make the coaching decisions and short falls blamed on Dak. Dak had fault in this, I am not excusing him from it, but I am not willing to turn a blind eye to the pathetic coaching, having to deal with a 1st year OC, in his 2nd year of coaching anywhere in life. I argued in preseason that he will be schooled in a few games and seemingly it happened and garrett took more control (I am not sure if that's better or worse). I am not willing to excuse the pathetic, worst in the league special teams. I am not willing to excuse the underwhelming defense that collapsed during many crucial games, such as the jets giving up the most to one of the worst offenses in the league. we can't simply say, hey coach screwed up, special teams screwed up. the OC screwed up. the defense screwed up, but Dak should have pulled it and he didn't.

as a matter of fact, if it wasn't for the defense and special teams, Pat's would have had a losing season given their offensive performance. SF made it to the superbowl with 8 pass attempts in a game from their 120M QB. and if KC's defense wouldn't have improved, they would have probably ended up same place as they did last year, losing because their defense couldnt' make crucial stops.

everyone wants to just pin everything on Dak and I think that's the wrong approach because then we go about fixing the wrong problem. the problem is the special teams. the coaching and defense. the problem is the middle of the defense was soft. the DEs were underwhelming, our safties sucked and our best CB, might as well wear boxing gloves since he couldn't get an interception if his life depended on it. our DTs were awful and the special teams...we missed 10 kicks from over 40 in a row before we replaced the kicker and that alone cost us at least a game or two.

and then the stupidity of Jones. all the coaches went into this season. mostly in the last year of their contracts. the head coach, etc.....and that created an atmosphere that wasn't conducive to success. it was a lame duck year and the pressure got to the coaches, the team and the locker room. I am surprised we even made it to 8-8. most other teams would probably implode and we have seen teams implode under that kind of pressure. and in the end, it was a fitting finish for garrett going into the last game with the most horrible game plan, once again just like he started, going to philly win and you are in, lose and you are out and he lost it again. this team, the coaches, slowly quit on each other over the year and that is directly fault of Jerry Jones for creating such and environment and allowing it to happen.

If that's your opinion, that's fine but what you say is not true. I'm spinning nothing. Everybody was here to watch. Draw your own conclusions but they don't matter a hill of beans, nor do mine, truth be said. This is up to Jerry.

But I know what I saw. The games were there to be won. Yes, other parts of the team fell down, that's not in question but, Dak bet on himself. He bet he could make it happen and he didn't. That's just the truth of it, as I see it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

fair enough......

lets say Dak wants 40.

we dont' pay.

who do we bring in? what should we expect? are we going to be superbowl caliber with that option? what's our roadmap?

I don't believe we are Super Bowl good with Dak next year. JMO

 

[garyv]

I honestly think most fans just want the ideal situation for the Cowboys, and that's Dak Prescott at a bargain price so that the team can remain cap flexible, that's my preference. There's no sure thing in the draft and moving up leaves holes unfilled.

The Dak Daily News does get a bit tiresome but it's not just restricted to Zone threads, it's all the Talking Heads want to talk about. I take it all with a grain of salt. Just because someone's opinion can now reach around the world, it carries no more weight than when it only reached down to the end of the bar.

Cheers

This is exactly what I want simply not to have Dak kill us on salary cap so we can do more things. I've read there are several things they can do to increase their cap room two of which is cut Crawford and save 8 million or get him to reduce it to more like 4 mil. Second restructure Lawrence from 21.9 mil to 11 mil so right there tgey could add 15 mil give or take. The way I look at it that right there could rebuild both your DT spots. It may not be long term best solution streching Lawrence out but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.

 

[cern]

Stafford is a local product. Highland park high school. Go scots.

 

[Section446]

fair enough......

lets say Dak wants 40.

we dont' pay.

who do we bring in? what should we expect? are we going to be superbowl caliber with that option? what's our roadmap?

I think we can get similar production for a fraction of the price with someone the likes of Dalton.

If I thought we were a Super Bowl team, I might look at it differently, I don't. Thus, I'd prefer not to over pay a QB that I consider to be of the average variety. I'd rather pay an average QB like Dalton half.

I've bee consistent with my stance on Dak, he's not a guy I want to go all-in on, he's not a Super Bowl caliber QB. I felt the same way about Romo, it was clear after a while that he just wasn't the guy to take us to the promised land.

I'd prefer to blow this whole thing up to be honest. I'm ready to trade anyone away and just start over with a new HC (got him), new QB, etc...

 

[Section446]

Stafford is a local product. Highland park high school. Go scots.

Love the guy, but he's like Tony Romo to me just not a SB caliber QB.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think we can get similar production for a fraction of the price with someone the likes of Dalton.

I may have nightmares over that. Dalton in Dallas? Oh hell no. I don't care if he plays for free.

 

[atlantacowboy]

You can not buy it all you want but it’s clear that QBs that have huge cap hits don’t win the Super Bowl..

Heck I heard a stat that said 8 of the last 10 seasons the QB with the highest cap percentage didn’t even make the playoffs..

There is a direct correlation.

Defense, quality coaching, and quality QB play for cheap is the way.

Stop with the facts. All the Dak fans care about is that he ranked 6th in deep ball accuracy. The important thing is that the pet cat gets fed.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I may have nightmares over that. Dalton in Dallas? Oh hell no. I don't care if he plays for free.

What if he played for something north of free but saved the team enough cap space and allowed it to bring in some legit talent on defense? Who knows.......maybe Andy could even muster a TD in Philly.

 

[basel90]

with the changes, I don't expect us to be anything but slightly above average next year. its the 2nd year if all goes according to plan, then we should have a chance...and I don't trust a 45 year old QB......

Fair enough ,That’s why I prefer a fresh start with a QB from the draft , rather than mortgaging the future away .

 

[basel90]

he won every crucial game in 2016. he won a bunch of crucial games in 2018. but the focus is only on 2019......

and we all forget about the coaching factor that led to 3 losses directly because of stupid calls and plays in crucial times during the game...

He missed so many open receivers , in 2019 and 2018 ( remember the Tennesse debacle at home and others ) he is just not evolving , but regressing . Remember this in the next few seasons once Jerry pays him big .