A question regarding Garrett

[JoeKing]

only you can waste your own time. no one else is to blame.

you just did it.

 

[Doomsday101]

He should....but the issue with Garrett is when his RB averages 7 yards a carry he goes and starts throwing it he’s done it so many times I’ve stopped counting

if he can correct this then the giants offense will be dangerous

Often times it is due to falling behind in the game. Main thing for him is keeping his team in down and distance that allows option of run or pass

 

[Stash]

Good point. I think Sean Peyton had more influence on Tony Romo's development from '03-'06 than Garrett did afterwards.

Undoubtedly the case. Reality bears that out.

Garrett never did ish to 'develop' any of the quarterbacks he ever had. That's why this team could never sign, trade for, or develop anything resembling a competent backup quarterback. And why the team's record under Garrett when they were forced to play their backups was atrocious. It was record-setting bad.

Meanwhile, Peyton loses Drew Brees and his team can still win with Teddy Busdriver.

Garrett's long list of backup quarterback blunders goes back to his first year here, where the dunce thought it was a good idea to bring in broken-down, shot Brad Johnson, who couldn't even throw a five-yard out route by that point.

 

[cern]

In congressional hearings senators and representatives can pass their time to another member to waste for them.

lmao. well said.

 

[cern]

you just did it.

but it was my choice. I didn't blame anyone else.

 

[Stash]

Lol, no one here has explained that he was terrible at X's and O's. This is all just hot opinion.

So it's "opinion" that his coordinator role was taken away from him?

I'm not arguing that he was a savant or that he was actually a great coach. This was just a view at the severe bias some people need to have for their narrative.

Reads more like you making things up so you have something to rail against.

If the Giants do well this coming season and improve dramatically offensively, many here will refuse to attribute any of it to him and what he brings to the table.

That says a lot about them and their teeny narrow view.

I see that it says more about your own "teeny narrow view" as you're tilting at windmills and fighting against imaginary enemies using imaginary hypotheticals about "If the Giants do well this coming season and improve dramatically offensively" as your sword.

If that should somehow happen? Be sure to let everyone know about it then. Until then, it's just your imagination.

 

[CouchCoach]

Are u implying that 1,000 yd stare was induced by being Jerry’s robot?

More by the situation wearing him down. He was a man lost in thought.

Think about part of your job being to keep your boss from himself. I think that wore Parcells down because that takes energy away from other things. Garrett came close to having Manziel on his team, think about that.

I think his last few years have been all about being the DC HC for the wrong reasons, all personal. I think he genuinely has affection for Booger and their personal relationship got in the way of business for both men. I don't think Garrett was a happy man. He doesn't like the ego blow but he will be happier in NY away from the Joneses.

 

[Proof]

They lost Odell, saquon was hurt half the year, and 99 pct of their receivers were out. With Jones in his second year, everyone healthy and high picks, I’d expect then to rebound regardless.

 

[JoeKing]

but it was my choice. I didn't blame anyone else.

Yes, you keep wasting my time on purpose. Why blame someone else?

 

[Proof]

I do not believe this.

Garrett is held in much higher regard around the league than he is CowboysZone.

The GM is a FAR bigger problem in Dallas than coaching was. Horrible draft & contract decisions have yielded a flawed roster with a mediocre record.

that’s always said, but never sourced or verified. I’ve never really heard anyone noteworthy speak highly of Garrett. At best I’ve heard boilerplate talk that would likely be said about every coach in the league. I have heard him ridiculed countless times though

 

[CouchCoach]

Fact is Garrett will never get any credit for anything from those that don't like him and will go as far to suggest sabotaging Phillips to get his job.

I don't think he's a great football coach but he's not the worst I've seen. And to tell the truth, I was just tired of seeing him on the sideline and talking about him on the forum.

The one thing that I do not know, and don't know if I'll find out this season, is he a better coach than I think he is? I think he had the single most difficult coaching job in all of sports but still don't know what he actually had to deal with on a daily basis with the Joneses. They weren't on the sideline with him making those decisions.

I don't care for him and do not like the Giants, so I hope he doesn't do well in NY but the majority here got their wish, he is gone. Let's let him go until we meet them for the first time this season.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yes, you keep wasting my time on purpose. Why blame someone else?

cern is doing it for me. Since you put me back on ignore, I asked him to waste your time for me because I couldn't do it.

 

[Stash]

that’s always said, but never sourced or verified. I’ve never really heard anyone noteworthy speak highly of Garrett. At best I’ve heard boilerplate talk that would likely be said about every coach in the league. I have heard him ridiculed countless times though

This goes back nearly a decade to when the Ravens and Falcons offered him their head coach jobs. He stayed in Dallas because he knew he was Jerry’s boy. And he made the right call, because those other teams wouldn’t have made the excuses for him and kept him like Jerry did.

But reality once again slaps down those false claims as nobody even interviewed Garrett for their head coaching position this year, did they?

 

[CouchCoach]

This goes back nearly a decade to when the Ravens and Falcons offered him their head coach jobs. He stayed in Dallas because he knew he was Jerry’s boy. And he made the right call, because those other teams wouldn’t have made the excuses for him and kept him like Jerry did.

But reality once again slaps down those false claims as nobody even interviewed Garrett for their head coaching position this year, did they?

This was a down year for openings, only 5, but I think he stayed too long in Dallas. Life in a fishbowl can cause too much examination.

And we don't know the role Mara played in him going to NY. Judge is a 1st time HC.

I never got the in demand thing about Garrett back then. He's always had that light shining on him as far back as being Aikman's backup when he predicted he'd be a NFL HC someday. He got hired by Booger with no job title and was actually considered for HC.

 

[nobody]

I don't care if they improve as long as Dallas improves

 

[Stash]

This was a down year for openings, only 5, but I think he stayed too long in Dallas. Life in a fishbowl can cause too much examination.

So can underachieving in life. Everyone who covered the NFL knew and said how talented this Cowboys team was. When they finish 8-8 and set Super Bowl era records for futility? Yeah, it's the head coach. And that's why nobody wanted to hire him to find that out the hard way for themselves.

And we don't know the role Mara played in him going to NY. Judge is a 1st time HC.

Either way, it's not an endorsement. The Giants fired Tom Coughlin and then thought hiring Ben McAdoo followed by Pat Shurmer were good ideas. They're being run into the ground.

I never got the in demand thing about Garrett back then. He's always had that light shining on him as far back as being Aikman's backup when he predicted he'd be a NFL HC someday. He got hired by Booger with no job title and was actually considered for HC.

I think Garrett is a smart man of good character, and he's well spoken. In many places in life, people get by more by what they say than anything they ever do. He's an intelligent, hard-working guy with many positive qualities. Being a head coach is not among them.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Would you be surprised if Daniel Jones and the New York offense dramatically improved across the board next year and the team started being much more competitive within the division? Would you assess some of the improvement to Garrett?

Can you differentiate many sources of improvement? Is Jason's main gift at motivating and maintaining a consistent approach? Maybe he's not very innovative, but what if his offense with Jones at the helm seems more unpredictable and new? His fault or someone else's?

some of the improvements would have to be credited to Garrett. However, the head coach will often get most of the credit/blame. However, for cowboys fans, if they succeed they will give credit to Joe Judge, but if they fail, they will call out garrett. He is once again in a lose/lose situation. However, perhaps Joe Judge will bring some of the critical thinking he learned from Bilicheck. although I can't recall a Bilicheck disciple that has had any success in the NFL. seemingly they all have failed and gone back to being positional coach or coordinators.

the problem with garrett wasn't necessarily the scheme, although it needed to be freshened with some of the modern offenses in lieu of all the college influence into the NFL. he was old school, similar to Johnson and Parcells and depended on execution by the players too much, and his in game decision making and play calling at crucial times was questionable.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

that’s always said, but never sourced or verified. I’ve never really heard anyone noteworthy speak highly of Garrett. At best I’ve heard boilerplate talk that would likely be said about every coach in the league. I have heard him ridiculed countless times though

Actually, I have "sourced and verified" it. I've posted references/links here several times to professional, independent rankings of NFL coaches.

These rankings have consistently shown Garrett to be middle of the pack, ranging from about 18 to 11. Disagree with these opinions if you like, but these are the opinions of professional analysts, not rabid fans on a team specific forum.

 

[Proof]

Actually, I have "sourced and verified" it. I've posted references/links here several times to professional, independent rankings of NFL coaches.

These rankings have consistently shown Garrett to be middle of the pack, ranging from about 18 to 11. Disagree with these opinions if you like, but these are the opinions of professional analysts, not rabid fans on a team specific forum.

gotcha. middle of the pack ranking. zzzzzzzzz

i misread your post though, you said he's held in "higher regard than this forum" i read it as "he's held in high regard". very clear distinction. The latter is what I rail against. my bad.

 

[Risen Star]

Garrett's coaching in a sane environment now. That has to help him.

I still can't get past his coward approach to prepare his team for the playoffs once a berth was secured. He eliminated his own team in 2016. Once I saw that I was done with him.