I'd love to hear the logic on Crawford

[Dre11]

more on Crawford

 

[Rockport]

Not at that price tag he's not. He's an average player at multiple spots (which is probably one of the reasons he never really developed - they kept flopping him between DT and DE). He's certainly not a starting RDE and right now, we don't have one of those.

Well that’s just your opinion.

 

[Sydla]

lol...oveplayed by who? the guy plays all over the DL and is effective...lol that's not overplayed it's fact

They guy is average at DE and DT. And he isn't a starting RDE, which you need. The draft isn't dripping with starting RDEs either.

 

[Sydla]

I would like us to get Griffen! I think I’d feel better with him on our line. But I wouldnt cut Crawford if we got him, you can never have too many guys on the D Line, injuries happen all the time. But idk what they have planned, but he is overpaid

If you want to add Griffen and then restructure Crawford where his cap hit comes down significantly, fine by me.

 

[Tussinman]

Suprised Shelby Harris is still a free agent. 28 years old, 3 straight years of a PFF grade of at least 75 and he's well balanced (pass rush and run defense are solid).

Cut Crawford and pair Harris with Griffin. Would free up the draft for secondary + WR #3

 

[Sydla]

Does it?

Yes.

Griffen is a RDE, which you have a clear hole at right now. Crawford is not. He's not a full time DE and he's largely going to be a backup DT.

Griffen, even at his age, had one of the higher pressure rates in the NFL last year.

 

[Swagger]

Everyone seems to hate Crawford but I have always liked him!

He comes across like a defensive leader, well respected by the defensive unit, does a lot of the dirty work as someone mentioned and I think makes the guys around him better and more productive as a result.

 

[Idgit]

He’s a prime candidate for a renegotiation. Especially coming off the injury.

But he’s a good player. The team has always liked him much more than the fans do. We missed him when he went down last year.

 

[Typhus]

Yes.

Griffen is a RDE, which you have a clear hole at right now. Crawford is not. He's not a full time DE and he's largely going to be a backup DT.

Griffen, even at his age, had one of the higher pressure rates in the NFL last year.

But the question still remains, rather you want to admit it or not,, does anything in FA make this team better at this point?
Drafting wisely makes you better,, FA is merely a stop gap, not a model to build a franchise.

 

[Sydla]

But the question still remains, rather you want to admit it or not,, does anything in FA make this team better at this point?
Drafting wisely makes you better,, FA is merely a stop gap, not a model to build a franchise.

Yes, doing smart things in FA makes you better. That's the whole point of FA and teams that win use FA wisely. No one said "build a team" through FA. But when you have a clear hole like we do at DE and the draft itself isn't strong on DEs this year, taking a good veteran FA and adding him to the team makes a ton of sense. Griffen makes this team better.

I am baffled at your response. Are you suggesting that we should not add a good DE in free agency and just go with what we have and hope we find a good DE in a not so strong DE draft?

 

[Tussinman]

FA is merely a stop gap, not a model to build a franchise.

This is actually a bad way to look at it.

There's plenty of younger players that our ready to start NOW but won't break the bank (guys like Shelby Harris and Danny Shelton). Signing mid tier FA to multi year deals at positions of need (especially those that aren't draft heavy) is actually how you build a contending team.........

You can't draft all starting positions, you have to get outside help. I'm not saying go sign the best player of FA but there's plenty of quality starters at affordable prices.

Yes, doing smart things in FA makes you better. That's the whole point of FA and teams that win use FA wisely. No one said "build a team" through FA. But when you have a clear hole like we do at DE and the draft itself isn't strong on DEs this year, taking a good veteran FA and adding him to the team makes a ton of sense. Griffen makes this team better.

I am baffled at your response. Are you suggesting that we should not add a good DE in free agency and just go with what we have and hope we find a good DE in a not so strong DE draft?

Ironically the positions that the cowboys have struggled in recently (DT, Safety, TE) our actually arguably the 3 best postions for bang for your buck in free agency....... (lol).

 

[Typhus]

Yes, doing smart things in FA makes you better. That's the whole point of FA and teams that win use FA wisely. No one said "build a team" through FA. But when you have a clear hole like we do at DE and the draft itself isn't strong on DEs this year, taking a good veteran FA and adding him to the team makes a ton of sense. Griffen makes this team better.

I am baffled at your response. Are you suggesting that we should not add a good DE in free agency and just go with what we have and hope we find a good DE in a not so strong DE draft?

Yes, and I understand the value at the position or lack there of in FA and this years draft.
But I also understand when just spending money, throwing money at an issue that has no solution, is just a waste.
There comes a certain point, occasionally in which there is really no solution due to market options, and this year is the perfect storm.

 

[Typhus]

This is actually a bad way to look at it.

There's plenty of younger players that our ready to start NOW but won't break the bank (guys like Shelby Harris and Danny Shelton). Signing mid tier FA to multi year deals at positions of need (especially those that aren't draft heavy) is actually how you build a contending team.........

You can't draft all starting positions, you have to get outside help. I'm not saying go sign the best player of FA but there's plenty of quality starters at affordable prices.
Ironically the positions that the cowboys have struggled in recently (DT, Safety, TE) our actually arguably the 3 best postions for bang for your buck in free agency....... (lol).

OK,, but your basing Harris and Shelton talent level off of what exactly? Just asking...

 

[Corso]

If you want to add Griffen and then restructure Crawford where his cap hit comes down significantly, fine by me.

I wouldn't restructure. That just pushes the money down the road, not lessen it.
I would either get him to take a straight pay cut, or a straight cut.

 

[Tussinman]

OK,, but your basing Harris and Shelton talent level off of what exactly? Just asking...

Being proven and solid starters in the NFL.

These our the guys you sign while you let your unproven players (guys like Convington, Hill, Ross) time to develop and slowly rotate into the lineup when there ready

You don't just draft more unproven talent and go "hey go mess around with those other unproven guys, maybe something magical will happen".........

This is what teams that our poorly run do, they go "uhh we like our guys" (i'm sure you've heard that quote from out mangement quite a few times)

 

[Sydla]

Yes, and I understand the value at the position or lack there of in FA and this years draft.
But I also understand when just spending money, throwing money at an issue that has no solution, is just a waste.
There comes a certain point, occasionally in which there is really no solution due to market options, and this year is the perfect storm.

Except Griffen isn't throwing money away. He was a good DE last year. He would be a good, short term solution.

Golden is another DE type that wouldn't break the bank and would upgrade the DE spot.

It's weird you think there are zero options in FA at the defensive end spot.

 

[Sydla]

OK,, but your basing Harris and Shelton talent level off of what exactly? Just asking...

Both being better than what we have.

For example, we have really only ONE 1 tech DT on the roster, Woods. And he's adequate. Shelton was a better DT than Woods and would have upgraded the spot. Harris is better than any DE we have on the roster right now other than Lawrence (and maybe Gregory but we have no idea if/when/how will play).

You are basically just defending the front office by suggesting there is no one in free agency that is better than the players we have. That's crazy.

 

[Loso86]

Crawford is a $9.1MM cap hit this year and would save $8MM if cut.

He's not a starting player for us. Lawrence is the LDE, McCoy is better and likely the starter at the 3T, Woods is bigger and more able to hold up at the 1T spot and Crawford is not a RDE.

I don't think Crawford is a bad player by any stretch. He serves a purpose and is a capable backup. But that's all he is........... a backup. And when you watch this organization penny pinch the hell out of FA, it's strange that they seem content on letting a backup DL eat up nearly $10MM in cap space.

There are two starting caliber RDEs out there in Golden and Griffen. Clowney would be a third if you want to think big. We lack a starting RDE. Cut Crawford (Or even restructure and save 4-5MM in cap space) and bring one of them in. Crawford would not be hard to replace in FA as there are some backup caliber DTs out there.

I'd love to get a few JW Blues in Jerry and listen to him explain why they value Crawford that much.

Cause hes depth and can and have played a dl positions locker room guy and leader. Not at 9ml but his pay will be cut I'm sure

 

[Typhus]

Except Griffen isn't throwing money away. He was a good DE last year. He would be a good, short term solution.

Golden is another DE type that wouldn't break the bank and would upgrade the DE spot.

It's weird you think there are zero options in FA at the defensive end spot.

I wont argue this point any further, and I bet that the Cowboys are done as well at this point in a quagmire of a FA season.

 

[Ranching]

According to this, he came off of IR on February 3rd.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/DAL/dallas-cowboys/transactions/

I would still keep him. With the new CBA and cap, we won't do much better for the money when you consider the 1+ million hit if we cut him. He is well liked and a locker room leader.