Cowboys need to get a speedy WR sub 4.4 forty yard

[TheMarathonContinues]

They are replacing the slowest skill guy on offense by moving on from Witten.
They are also replacing a 29 year old WR with a likely rookie.

Speed isn't an issue.

I agree. Surely wasn’t last year even with slow Witten. It’s gonna be a faster team by default getting rid of them two.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

you said 5000 yard and 30tds means the WB is accurate. Jameis three for 60.7% accuracy last year despite meeting those milestones. 30 years ago that’s be a decent %, today that’s substandard

stat accumulation just means the guy threw a lot, not necessarily indicative of his accuracy

What about his 30 interceptions? Does that not tell the whole story on what Jamies was?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

What about his 30 interceptions? Does that not tell the whole story on what Jamies was?

tells a lot of it, yeah

 

[Hardline]

What did John Ross and Tavon Austin do to our defense? Or hell any defense for that matter.

Deshawn Jackson isn't Ross and Austin.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I am up way too early this morning.

Some say Cobb was merely a replaceable cog in the offensive machine.
Not so fast.
Firstly, we are talking about Dak as the QB here. He is not Mahomes. Accuracy is not his passport.
Secondly,, our team is now going to have to re-,establish its offensive identity with Beard gone and all the coaching changes.

So put that in your pipe and let me know.

I got to ask why you feel the need to put a spacer line between every line of comment you make?

Cobb was sign as a stop gap for losing Beasley. Cobb has had a good career but he's no spring chicken anymore. He can be replaced whether that slot receiver is already on the team or if they have to spend a mid round pick on him.

There is going to be changes whether Frederick was playing or not because of the coaching changes. Frederick before his illness was probably the best center in the game but he wasn't that last season and in Frederick's absence in 2018 Looney did a pretty good job. Was he an exact copy of Frederick, no but he did do a pretty good job.

As far as your starting slot receiver also doing punt and kickoff returns most teams shy away from having starters do that because of the added risk of injury to a starter. I agree with that.
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[KJJ]

Why would Dallas bother drafting a WR that high when they already have Cooper and Gallup?

Unless you NEED a #1 WR type, this is not the draft to be taking one high. plenty of good talent in the pool.

WR could end up being the best player available when we pick and we do need to replace Cobb. This is a strong WR draft and if one of the top players at that position is there and is the best player available I wouldn’t hesitate to take them. With Cobb gone and not having an elite TE we still need a dependable chain mover who could also provide a big play threat.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Deshawn Jackson isn't Ross and Austin.

In hindsight they aren’t but when they were drafted first name brought up in comparison was Desean. Fact is, there’s only one Desean.

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

Add in hands that make all catches thrown his direction.

That should be given if he is a WR otherwise he would be playing CB according to Shannon Sharpe

 

[KJJ]

We have Tavon Austin who ran a 4.34 when he was drafted. In the two seasons he’s been with the Cowboys he’s provided a couple of big plays but has been used mostly as a gadget guy. You really don’t need great speed to play the slot, just someone who’s quick/shifty that can run precise routes and can find seams in the defense. Julian Edelman runs a 4.52 so great speed isn’t required to play the slot.

 

[Typhus]

Mahomes 11th at 65.9%, Dak 13th at 65.1% for 2019
Mahomes 3 years at 65.9%, Dak 4 years at 65.8%

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm#passing::pass_cmp_perc

Just thought I would point that out about the accuracy part. (waiting for the ...but Mahomes won a SB crowd to chime in...) (yes, he did but he had a better coach also )


And we do have some speed on the roster, so the thing is, we can get the same type of player, and not know what you have on day 3. So do they use a high draft pick on a WR that has speed which would have to be a slot guy. That to me fellas in the luxury category when they need defense more. Unless he truly is the BPA at the time far above any other player.

Johnson has that speed, and they know what they have, however I am not sure he is a slot guy, and had a lot of drops.
Smith, can be that guy if this new and better staff can see that.
Draft choice, as I said only if a sure fire guy is there that stands out over any other players. If close, I would stay with defense IMO.

But we do need that guy that can return punts and kicks, though Pollard was returning kicks. A speedy CB can return punts though too.

So now we are comparing Mahomes vs Dak stats...
Better comparison is the ability to convert in crucial situations.. its called the CCS stat,, which is totally irrelevant because there is no such thing.
Stats are a great resource to drive an argument that needs math to back up a lack of natural evaluation skills.
Mahomes vs Prescott if your just willing to read numbers is so off base.
Those numbers are irrelevant..

 

[Redball Express]

Mahomes 11th at 65.9%, Dak 13th at 65.1% for 2019
Mahomes 3 years at 65.9%, Dak 4 years at 65.8%

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm#passing::pass_cmp_perc

Just thought I would point that out about the accuracy part. (waiting for the ...but Mahomes won a SB crowd to chime in...) (yes, he did but he had a better coach also )


And we do have some speed on the roster, so the thing is, we can get the same type of player, and not know what you have on day 3. So do they use a high draft pick on a WR that has speed which would have to be a slot guy. That to me fellas in the luxury category when they need defense more. Unless he truly is the BPA at the time far above any other player.

Johnson has that speed, and they know what they have, however I am not sure he is a slot guy, and had a lot of drops.
Smith, can be that guy if this new and better staff can see that.
Draft choice, as I said only if a sure fire guy is there that stands out over any other players. If close, I would stay with defense IMO.

But we do need that guy that can return punts and kicks, though Pollard was returning kicks. A speedy CB can return punts though too.

Nice fat post.

Not even hungry after digesting that.



We all see the soft needs and the hard needs.

Where the draft comes to us or away from us is the key.

I have a feeling there is going to be alot of trading in this draft as teams tend to focus on players they have info on and want those guys and will get aggressive pursuing them.

Because gatherings and practices are going to be closed down, there is going to be less evaluation than before.

This has to affect things a good bit.

Glad you see the need for the kick returner. I would be delirious if we had STs that could contribute more than just FGs. Returns that excite, kick coverage that punished, kick blocking would add so much juice to our games.

I guess this is taking shape with our new FG kicker which I really felt was needed. Check one off the bucket list.

 

[jazzcat22]

So now we are comparing Mahomes vs Dak stats...
Better comparison is the ability to convert in crucial situations.. its called the CCS stat,, which is totally irrelevant because there is no such thing.
Stats are a great resource to drive an argument that needs math to back up a lack of natural evaluation skills.
Mahomes vs Prescott if your just willing to read numbers is so off base.
Those numbers are irrelevant..

I eluded to that by stating looking at completion % for accuracy only. It in no way compares them. I was just pointing it out as one stat since it was brought up saying Mahomes was more accurate than Dak.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

@rocyaice

It's mere pedantry by me to the comment Dak Attack made about Dak's stat accumulation being indicative of his accuracy, when Jameis accumulated those same stats and was horribly inaccurate. But it also lends itself to being interpreted that I am supporting the OP's claim "Firstly, we are talking about Dak as the QB here. He is not Mahomes. Accuracy is not his passport."

Which is a ridiculous statement on the surface because Dak has broken all kinds of accuracy records in his first 4 years. But if you take it within the context of this thread, he's still kind of right. Check this out....

When I google 'dak prescott deep ball accuracy", this comes up:

46.5%

Prescott was one of the best deep ball passers in the NFL during the 2017 season. He ranked as the fifth-most accurate quarterback with completing 46.5% of his deep balls, but he didn't take many deep shots throwing just 43, or a miniscule 8.8% of his total attempts according to Pro Football Focus.

Thats 3 seasons ago. But that's just a blanket %, what does it mean? Turns out any 20 yard pass is a deep ball. While that's technically accurate, this thread isn't asking for a sub-4.4 guy to run 20 yard routes and squat on it. Let's dive further:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project

Now here's 2 years ago. Ranked 20th now in the league, Dak Prescott is completing 45.8% of all passes over 21 yards. 1 percent difference dropped him 15 spots in the ranking? This doesn't make any sense. This is 2 different sites giving 'fact's that are somehow skewed. Are we counting a 5 yard pass and run? or Is one of them sailing for the 20 yards and one not requiring that? Let's look at last year's full breakdown by yard increments, with the ball sailing distance only, all done by the same site:

Notice the top right line, Accuracy ranked. The black column is his accuracy for each distance, and his league rank, all considered deep passes.

In 2019 Dak Prescott was the single greatest QB in the world at throwing deep passes under 25 yards. Very accurate. Both Gallup and Cooper excelled at these plays, find the gap in the zone and sit on it, or beat your man in short bursts and lead Dak to an open area for a highlight reel completion.

Between 26-30 yards, he dips down to 10th. Still good, right around the area most people on this board have him, whether its just inside of or just outside of the top 10. Combine the 2 and he's looking pretty good. But are you getting a Ruggs just to run these routes?

31-35 yards, suddenly Dak drops to 24th. 35-40 he's 19th. And anything over 41 yards he's still bottom half of the qualified QBs in the NFL. There is context here of course. Not as many passes go these distances, so 1 drop or overthrow will greatly change the %. But the lack of DEEP deep balls can be accredited to 2 reasons: Firstly, he doesn't have any reliable deep threats. Amari is a 20 million$ a year possession receiver. Everyone else in his price range can go for the home run ball, Julio, Antonio, (assumedly) OBJ, soon to be Deandre. Of course you and I both know Cooper is an excellent deep route receiver, and Gallup has all the makings of one too, so I don't see how this is really even a consideration. The second option is perhaps Dak is not confident in his deep ball. Add those up. 23 total passes all season that were in the air for 30+ yards. thats less than 2 a game. That's even less than 1.5 a game. Coaches aren't telling him not to throw it, or they wouldn't be bothering to even run those routes... which they did every prolonged drive.

How often do you think true gunslingers like to go long? How accurate are they? Every QB must have a handful of hail mary's every season right? Especially ones in as many losses as Dallas? Kyler Murray threw just as many 40+ yard passes as Dak, 7. He completed all 7. There's a pretty random stat, what's the takeaway with that? Kyler is clearly picking and choosing his attempts until they're ideal, as a rookie should be. But isn't Dak doing that as well? If he's being as selective on the high probability deep throws, why is he still missing so many of them? Let's go through some of the higher ranked QB's on their charts:

More attempts than Dak over 30 yards, and many more completions. Excellent completion % at every depth, with receivers every fanbase in the NFL would agree are much worse than Cobb, Gallup, Cooper.

Here's an interesting one. The records and the basic stats don't show it, but Mayfield actually had a similar (or even slightly superior) season to Dak throwing the ball deep downfield. Look at those 35 yard passes, that's crazy

Not a whole lot better than Dak, but the point here is he probably had the worst starting receiving corps in the NFL for a majority of the season, the "He only throws to Tight Ends" joke is fine and dandy, but Ertz isn't running 40 yards downfield. Carson attempted more and had a much higher completion % when picking his spots downfield. Eagles didn't lose any blowouts last year IIRC, so there's some hail mary's in that stat too. He had more desire to go deep, and completed them at a bigger clip, that builds confidence.


What is my point with all this? You could look at the limited attempts and say Dak didn't show enough to necessarily prove he lacks deep touch. But the counter argument could be made that he's not a reliable deep passer until he proves he is, and a sub-4.4 WR may go to waste in Dallas's current setup.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So now we are comparing Mahomes vs Dak stats...
Better comparison is the ability to convert in crucial situations.. its called the CCS stat,, which is totally irrelevant because there is no such thing.
Stats are a great resource to drive an argument that needs math to back up a lack of natural evaluation skills.
Mahomes vs Prescott if your just willing to read numbers is so off base.
Those numbers are irrelevant..

Stats are a odd thing. Especially in Dak’s case. Stats are good when they are used to discredit Dak. But you use stats to show he is in comparison to the rest of the league? It’s bad stats. Naughty stats.

The real problem I think Dak faces with such a die hard fanbase is that they only watch the Cowboys play. So to them Zeke is fat. Dak isn’t accurate. If you watch other teams play....the same criticisms people have of Dak are the same things other quarterbacks suffer with.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

@rocyaice

It's mere pedantry by me to the comment Dak Attack made about Dak's stat accumulation being indicative of his accuracy, when Jameis accumulated those same stats and was horribly inaccurate. But it also lends itself to being interpreted that I am supporting the OP's claim "Firstly, we are talking about Dak as the QB here. He is not Mahomes. Accuracy is not his passport."

Which is a ridiculous statement on the surface because Dak has broken all kinds of accuracy records in his first 4 years. But if you take it within the context of this thread, he's still kind of right. Check this out....

When I google 'dak prescott deep ball accuracy", this comes up:

46.5%

Prescott was one of the best deep ball passers in the NFL during the 2017 season. He ranked as the fifth-most accurate quarterback with completing 46.5% of his deep balls, but he didn't take many deep shots throwing just 43, or a miniscule 8.8% of his total attempts according to Pro Football Focus.

Thats 3 seasons ago. But that's just a blanket %, what does it mean? Turns out any 20 yard pass is a deep ball. While that's technically accurate, this thread isn't asking for a sub-4.4 guy to run 20 yard routes and squat on it. Let's dive further:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/2018-19-deep-ball-project

Now here's 2 years ago. Ranked 20th now in the league, Dak Prescott is completing 45.8% of all passes over 21 yards. 1 percent difference dropped him 15 spots in the ranking? This doesn't make any sense. This is 2 different sites giving 'fact's that are somehow skewed. Are we counting a 5 yard pass and run? or Is one of them sailing for the 20 yards and one not requiring that? Let's look at last year's full breakdown by yard increments, with the ball sailing distance only, all done by the same site:

Notice the top right line, Accuracy ranked. The black column is his accuracy for each distance, and his league rank, all considered deep passes.

In 2019 Dak Prescott was the single greatest QB in the world at throwing deep passes under 25 yards. Very accurate. Both Gallup and Cooper excelled at these plays, find the gap in the zone and sit on it, or beat your man in short bursts and lead Dak to an open area for a highlight reel completion.

Between 26-30 yards, he dips down to 10th. Still good, right around the area most people on this board have him, whether its just inside of or just outside of the top 10. Combine the 2 and he's looking pretty good. But are you getting a Ruggs just to run these routes?

31-35 yards, suddenly Dak drops to 24th. 35-40 he's 19th. And anything over 41 yards he's still bottom half of the qualified QBs in the NFL. There is context here of course. Not as many passes go these distances, so 1 drop or overthrow will greatly change the %. But the lack of DEEP deep balls can be accredited to 2 reasons: Firstly, he doesn't have any reliable deep threats. Amari is a 20 million$ a year possession receiver. Everyone else in his price range can go for the home run ball, Julio, Antonio, (assumedly) OBJ, soon to be Deandre. Of course you and I both know Cooper is an excellent deep route receiver, and Gallup has all the makings of one too, so I don't see how this is really even a consideration. The second option is perhaps Dak is not confident in his deep ball. Add those up. 23 total passes all season that were in the air for 30+ yards. thats less than 2 a game. That's even less than 1.5 a game. Coaches aren't telling him not to throw it, or they wouldn't be bothering to even run those routes... which they did every prolonged drive.

How often do you think true gunslingers like to go long? How accurate are they? Every QB must have a handful of hail mary's every season right? Especially ones in as many losses as Dallas? Kyler Murray threw just as many 40+ yard passes as Dak, 7. He completed all 7. There's a pretty random stat, what's the takeaway with that? Kyler is clearly picking and choosing his attempts until they're ideal, as a rookie should be. But isn't Dak doing that as well? If he's being as selective on the high probability deep throws, why is he still missing so many of them? Let's go through some of the higher ranked QB's on their charts:

More attempts than Dak over 30 yards, and many more completions. Excellent completion % at every depth, with receivers every fanbase in the NFL would agree are much worse than Cobb, Gallup, Cooper.

Here's an interesting one. The records and the basic stats don't show it, but Mayfield actually had a similar (or even slightly superior) season to Dak throwing the ball deep downfield. Look at those 35 yard passes, that's crazy

Not a whole lot better than Dak, but the point here is he probably had the worst starting receiving corps in the NFL for a majority of the season, the "He only throws to Tight Ends" joke is fine and dandy, but Ertz isn't running 40 yards downfield. Carson attempted more and had a much higher completion % when picking his spots downfield. Eagles didn't lose any blowouts last year IIRC, so there's some hail mary's in that stat too. He had more desire to go deep, and completed them at a bigger clip, that builds confidence.


What is my point with all this? You could look at the limited attempts and say Dak didn't show enough to necessarily prove he lacks deep touch. But the counter argument could be made that he's not a reliable deep passer until he proves he is, and a sub-4.4 WR may go to waste in Dallas's current setup.

You can’t say Jameis and Dak accumulated the same stats while ignoring he threw 30 picks.

 

[Typhus]

I eluded to that by stating looking at completion % for accuracy only. It in no way compares them. I was just pointing it out as one stat since it was brought up saying Mahomes was more accurate than Dak.

That's my entire issue with stats, they only represent the number,, has no representation of the actual athlete.
There is no stat that represents how well you execute in crucial game winning situations.
There is no stat that can represent or translate if you are a winner by nature or a loser by nature.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You can’t say Jameis and Dak accumulated the same stats while ignoring he threw 30 picks.

I agree, that's what made Dak Attack's comment so misplaced. I used Jameis to show you cant judge a QB by how many yards he throws for or TD

 

[Typhus]

Stats are a odd thing. Especially in Dak’s case. Stats are good when they are used to discredit Dak. But you use stats to show he is in comparison to the rest of the league? It’s bad stats. Naughty stats.

The real problem I think Dak faces with such a die hard fanbase is that they only watch the Cowboys play. So to them Zeke is fat. Dak isn’t accurate. If you watch other teams play....the same criticisms people have of Dak are the same things other quarterbacks suffer with.

You can try and do a search, but Im most confident that I have never used stats in order to discredit Dak,, man is a decent QB, but he has discredited himself all by himself.

 

[BigD_95]

Dak is an Accurate QB , you don’t throw for 5,000 yards and 30 TDs without accuracy.

Im in the sign Dak to a long contract and pay the man camp but Dak is not in any way an accurate QB. He is one of the most inaccurate franchise QB's I seen. Romo & Aikman were accurate QB's...... Dak is not.

 

[charron]

Speed is over rated.

The fastest receivers are not always the best.
The best receivers have good speed but other factors are more important. Catch radious and route running are more important than speed.