Aldon Smith makes Greg Hardy look like a choir boy

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On March 3, Smith was accused of a domestic violence incident in which he threw his fiancée “around the room, bit her on the wrist and climbed out the window,” according to a police dispatch call via KTVU in San Francisco. The Raiders released him shortly after. Smith turned himself into police on charges of willful infliction of corporal injury, assault with force likely to produce great bodily injury, false imprisonment and vandalism (less than $400).
Smith should be locked up without seeing the daylight for years. Calling him a thug would be a compliment to him. Funny, Oakland gets our classy guys and Jerry picks up their trash that hasn't played for 5 years. What's wrong w/this picture?!
 

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First of all, I’m all for everyone in society getting second chances. People suffering from drug and alcohol addictions who make serious attempts to get sober deserve our support. But people with domestic violence problems are different, especially when it comes to putting them on a national stage like the NFL. Domestic Violence perpetrators need help, but they don’t need a roster spot.

Yahoo Sports ran an article last night on Aldon Smith’s incredibly long rap sheet. Below is an excerpt from that article:

Aldon Smith’s mountain of legal issues

Here’s a rundown of the long list of off-field issues Smith has encountered since entering the NFL:
This list makes Greg Hardy look like a choir boy.
As I said in the beginning of this post- second chances are good. But for domestic violence? I want the Cowboys to win as bad as anyone. But not without at least some level of respectability.

Here’s the link to the article I quoted:
https://sports.yahoo.com/aldon-smith-cowboys-sign-domestic-violence-arrests-nfl-012158571.html
You are making yourself the arbiter of who does and does not deserve second chances? Personally, I find your virtue signaling around different types of crimes offensive.
 

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I'm one of the ones that don't agree with you. I was told a drunk mind speaks sober thoughts. So you knew you were about to be impaired by those drugs but you took them anyway. Every thing you done after your impairment is still on you because you were sober when you made the decision to impair yourself.

Like I always say, If he was really drunk he would not be able to get an erection. So that I was drunk excuse doesn't work with me. You got drunk and acted on your sober thoughts.
I can respect your difference of opinion.
I've never had any erectile dysfunction drunk. lol
I can see a small amount of alcohol being a truth serum. But i've never seen a hammered person speaking anything but nonsense. Get someone to a .4 alcohol level and if they are not dead they will be wetting and crapping themselves.

As for holding them accountable... I believe people should be held accountable for the decision to get drunk. To me thats where it starts to end. I've had a buddy take a swing at me when he was drunk once. One the nicest men I've ever known. I know this man loves me like a brother. He was not clear minded. Our punishment society prefers to blame stuff we feel we can control to justify our need for a sense of vengeance. We are not comfortable with things we can't put into a black or white box. So we tend to have these personal accountability rules because it makes us feel better and lets us attempt to live in a black or white world. The gray stuff in between is what scares us. We prefer to operate with a mindset that I can control these things for myself so everyone else can also. In my opinion this is where we fall short. This mindset leads to punishment over rehabilitation. Successful societies around the world have shown that love (empathy and compassion) and rehabilitation leads to better outcomes than punishment. Check the US reincarnation rate vs more compassionate nations for proof.

Just my opinions of course. Thanks for sharing yours.
 

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If the Cowboys think that this signing, as well as a potential return of Randy Gregory, crosses DE off the list of positions to be upgraded, then they haven't learned a thing.

If it's a no risk signing to see if you catch lightning in a bottle, but buttress it with investment in a guy like K'Lavin Chaisson or an edge guy like Zack Baun, then I kind of get it.

Smith is a train wreck as a human being. His issues do seem to be substance abuse/alcohol based, but domestic violence for me is an in-the-box offense. I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole, but it's too late at this point.

Is the fact that he was heavily under the influence when that domestic violence occurred a factor for you at all?

Not provoking, just curious.
 

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Is the fact that he was heavily under the influence when that domestic violence occurred a factor for you at all?

Not provoking, just curious.

No. Not in the least. And this is coming from someone who is nearly 30 years in recovery from alcoholism.
 

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I can respect your difference of opinion.
I've never had any erectile dysfunction drunk. lol
I can see a small amount of alcohol being a truth serum. But i've never seen a hammered person speaking anything but nonsense. Get someone to a .4 alcohol level and if they are not dead they will be wetting and crapping themselves.

As for holding them accountable... I believe people should be held accountable for the decision to get drunk. To me thats where it starts to end. I've had a buddy take a swing at me when he was drunk once. One the nicest men I've ever known. I know this man loves me like a brother. He was not clear minded. Our punishment society prefers to blame stuff we feel we can control to justify our need for a sense of vengeance. We are not comfortable with things we can't put into a black or white box. So we tend to have these personal accountability rules because it makes us feel better and lets us attempt to live in a black or white world. The gray stuff in between is what scares us. We prefer to operate with a mindset that I can control these things for myself so everyone else can also. In my opinion this is where we fall short. This mindset leads to punishment over rehabilitation. Successful societies around the world have shown that love (empathy and compassion) and rehabilitation leads to better outcomes than punishment. Check the US reincarnation rate vs more compassionate nations for proof.

Just my opinions of course. Thanks for sharing yours.

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All I really care about is how he effects our ability the win games

Im more concerned with the 4 year layoff than his rap sheet
exactly. Tomsula was the one who banged the table for him to McCarthy. Pat walker posted an article stating this. Its a win for us if he performs if not he goes back to his previous life
 

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If you could guarantee that OJ could rush for 2k yards next year, Id sign him right now. If you aint in jail, you are good to go is my philosophy. When they start giving out 1st downs and TDs for being a good quality person, let me know. Until them..... I likem nasty.


They might sign OJ for a deep playoff run...SB bound.
 

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Some in the media are playing it up like he has been trying to turn his life around, but the dude had a DUI in June of 2019.

That hardly screams he has changed. Terrible look for the Cowboys.
 

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While his crime list is a bit longer, the situation is different. Smith has worked on his sobriety and been working on his life in general for the last 4 years and from all reports has changed dramatically. Hardy did none of that and was probably one of the worst signings the cowboys ever made in my opinion.
 

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The excuses people come up with for repetitive bad behavior is astonishing.
 

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Umm... do ya'll want to tell him? I mean... go do a netflix search on Aaron to see where he is now... ijs.


i'm not watching his netflix crap. obviously i don't care where he is. but i've now been told he's a free bird.
 

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i'm not watching his netflix crap. obviously i don't care where he is. but i've now been told he's a free bird.
That's one way to put it lol :D

I do agree though.. I wasn't or will ever be interested in watching his story smh.
 

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Some in the media are playing it up like he has been trying to turn his life around, but the dude had a DUI in June of 2019.

That hardly screams he has changed. Terrible look for the Cowboys.
You think maybe he finally hit bottom after that and finally got help? Which is what Jay Glazer claims happened.
 

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You would need to have some serious Zombie voodoo to resurrect Hernandez, he is long gone from jail.

Hernandez, smith and OJ! coming to a theatre near you. and the ultra secret weapon were suiting up haley too but i'm stealing his meds so we get the old nasty version.
 

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I do not want him as a Cowboy! one more screw up by Aldon and Zeke is suspended for the year.
It would be classic if both of them went out together and did something stupid where they both got major suspensions at the same time for the same thing. That would be a first in the NFL and would be very appropriate for it to happen to the Cowboys. Unfortunately Jerry still wouldn’t learn his lesson and homers would make excuses for both of them all day long until they put on another uniform.
 

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I can respect your difference of opinion.
I've never had any erectile dysfunction drunk. lol
I can see a small amount of alcohol being a truth serum. But i've never seen a hammered person speaking anything but nonsense. Get someone to a .4 alcohol level and if they are not dead they will be wetting and crapping themselves.

As for holding them accountable... I believe people should be held accountable for the decision to get drunk. To me thats where it starts to end. I've had a buddy take a swing at me when he was drunk once. One the nicest men I've ever known. I know this man loves me like a brother. He was not clear minded. Our punishment society prefers to blame stuff we feel we can control to justify our need for a sense of vengeance. We are not comfortable with things we can't put into a black or white box. So we tend to have these personal accountability rules because it makes us feel better and lets us attempt to live in a black or white world. The gray stuff in between is what scares us. We prefer to operate with a mindset that I can control these things for myself so everyone else can also. In my opinion this is where we fall short. This mindset leads to punishment over rehabilitation. Successful societies around the world have shown that love (empathy and compassion) and rehabilitation leads to better outcomes than punishment. Check the US reincarnation rate vs more compassionate nations for proof.

Just my opinions of course. Thanks for sharing yours.

I think you make some interesting points, but you are playing fast and loose with the relationship between accountability and revenge. I like the concepts of forgiveness, mercy, grace and rehabilitation—-but those are applied at the discretion of judges/victims....not a violator who just shrugs and says, “I’m sorry.”

The core issue at hand is the life balance of predictability. -
- If I work hard, I should have enough to get by.
- If I’m a just / law abiding person, I should have protection under the law.
- if I am reckless and dangerous and imperil others’ safety......there should be a price that serves two purposes.
1- separation from the people I’ve hurt
2- some measure of balance (punishments/ vengeance ) that shows the victims and society at large that the balance above is respected.

Otherwise- why ever follow rules of society or participate in modern society if there are no protections?

I’m not saying one strike and you’re out (depending on your crime of course) but in this case, he made decisions over time that disrespected the balance that society provides and people in his life.
 
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