Should Cowboys trade for Jamal Adams?

Tussinman

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It is 2 years. 1st rounders come with a 5th year option.
Technicalities don't equal reality though.

A 3x all pro team player isn't going to play on what is essentially a rookie version of a franchise tag. Not how this works.

It's a 1 year deal then your going to have to make him the highest paid player in the league
 

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Technicalities don't equal reality though.

A 3x all pro team player isn't going to play on what is essentially a rookie version of a franchise tag. Not how this works.

It's a 1 year deal then your going to have to make him the highest paid player in the league
This is incorrect. The 5th year option is automatic once the team exercise it.

Unless you are suggesting a Zeke-like holdout. Zeke really had no leverage and Jerry blinked. Zeke could have sat out but then he wouldnt have earned the necessary year of service to reach free agency. He would have to come back by the 4th game (like Melvin Gordon) to get credit for a 4th season. In reality, Zeke would have had to sit out two years. The Cowboys had all of the leverage in that situation but Jerry didn't want to go into the season without Zeke's services.
 

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This is incorrect. The 5th year option is automatic once the team exercise it.

Unless you are suggesting a Zeke-like holdout. Zeke really had no leverage and Jerry blinked. Zeke could have sat out but then he wouldnt have earned the necessary year of service to reach free agency. He would have to come back by the 4th game (like Melvin Gordon) to get credit for a 4th season. In reality, Zeke would have had to sit out two years. The Cowboys had all of the leverage in that situation but Jerry didn't want to go into the season without Zeke's services.

So you're good with using a 1st round pick on a player for just two years?
 

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The teams who have been giving up 1sts for players who will be FA's in a short time are failing. That strategy doesn't work.

No it does not. That's the point I have been trying to make and that people have been intentionally avoiding. They want to pick and choose only the portions of the picture that they like, while pretending the others don't exist.

But they do.
 

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"Exclusive rights" doesn't mean a thing. You're willfully blinding yourself.
How do you figure?

If the Cowboys were to acquire Jamal Adams and exercise his 5th year option they would be the only team allowed to negotiate an extension with him until March of 2022.

It means what it means.
 

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How do you figure?

If the Cowboys were to acquire Jamal Adams and exercise his 5th year option they would be the only team allowed to negotiate an extension with him until March of 2022.

It means what it means.

And it "means" nothing to the player. They're not forgoing free agency to give someone an early discount?

Did you see Amari Cooper give that "early discount" you're referencing? Did you see any of the players traded for do it?

The answer is no.
 

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This is incorrect. The 5th year option is automatic once the team exercise it.
No i'm saying it's fantasy land to think "oh yeah he'll play 2 more years while being a multi time all-pro".

That was my point, technicalities doesn't equal reality. 2 years left is something that sounds cool but won't equal reality. He'll make all-pro, pro bowl, and NFL top 100 again in 2020 and hold out for long term deal

Zero chance he plays 2021 without a long term assurance. It's basically a 1 year deal with some fake "strong arm" in the 2nd year that won't work and to be honest shouldn't work (rookie franchise tag isn't designed for an elite caliber player in his prime, it's more for guys like Byron Jones who had 1 good year and you want to see if they can do it again)
 
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And it "means" nothing to the player. They're not forgoing free agency to give someone an early discount?

Did you see Amari Cooper give that "early discount" you're referencing? Did you see any of the players traded for do it?

The answer is no.
Where did I ever mention early discount?

and yes I have seen plenty of traded-for players sign extensions with their new teams. I have also seen those who know they are likely to hit it big on the open market and don't extend.

What it comes down to for me is would I rather have 2 years of an All-Pro versus the unknown and uncertainty of the 17th pick.

The 17th pick could be 5 years of Byron Jones and it could be 2 years of Taco Charlton. I'll take the sure thing for this current roster.
 

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Where did I ever mention early discount?

and yes I have seen plenty of traded-for players sign extensions with their new teams. I have also seen those who know they are likely to hit it big on the open market and don't extend.

What it comes down to for me is would I rather have 2 years of an All-Pro versus the unknown and uncertainty of the 17th pick.

The 17th pick could be 5 years of Byron Jones and it could be 2 years of Taco Charlton. I'll take the sure thing for this current roster.

OK, I'll disagree with you on this one. I need five years at a reasonable cost. And i think that this team does too, given their recent misses and necessary huge money contracts.
 

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OK, I'll disagree with you on this one. I need five years at a reasonable cost. And i think that this team does too, given their recent misses and necessary huge money contracts.
They certainly can't afford another miss with a number 1 pick.
 

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OK, I'll disagree with you on this one. I need five years at a reasonable cost. And i think that this team does too, given their recent misses and necessary huge money contracts.

This team needs a good player more than it needs a cheap player...adams is significantly better than just about any player that will be available at 17, specifically on defense
 

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This team needs a good player more than it needs a cheap player...adams is significantly better than just about any player that will be available at 17, specifically on defense

Perhaps you just don’t know for sure. You’re most likely right but one thing is certain.

he’ll be significantly more expensive
 

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This team needs a good player more than it needs a cheap player...adams is significantly better than just about any player that will be available at 17, specifically on defense

It needs a good player for longer than two years too.
 

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draft McKinney, be done with it. He's much better than Delpit.
 

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Yeah no doubt. You have to pay him top of the market money . That is part of the deal when you trade for him

Exactly. When considering a trade for him, all factors must be considered, not just the ones that we like.
 
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