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I agree. That is one thing I did trust with Richard. People thought it was because of Lewis's size. I honestly think he was the 4th best corner last year. I'm a fan. He has that "dog" in him that everyone loves. I fell in love with his play when I Saw the clips of him and Dez going at it. If Chido had his "dog" he'd probably be a corner. ITs nothing against Lewis I just don't get how anyone can think Lewis, Brown, Chido aren't of the same caliber. I think Chido has the highest ceiling of them all though.

I think Chido has the best overall set of tools too. And I do hope it all finally comes together for him this year. We need him.
 

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Damn did did they go that low?

And what happened to Chris Jones? I've always been more of a big leg guy like what we had with McBriar and Chris Jones has never been that. But was he not the punter we had running fake punts and stuff with? Actually had decent speed for a punter too. Not saying you want to run a fake with him all the time but special teams lost all of its imagination........well it never really had it but the little it had they just got rid of it.

Stuff like this happens when you think it's 'OK' to let your veteran special teams coach leave and just give the job to the next guy left in the building.

That's what the Cowboys did on numerous occasions.

Bissacia leaves for the Raiders? Just hand the job to O'Quinn, who cares if he's never done it before at this level? How hard could it be?

Eberflus leaves to take the Colts DC job? Just give it to the last man standing here, Ben Bloom, who cares if he has no actual experience?
 

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Stuff like this happens when you think it's 'OK' to let your veteran special teams coach leave and just give the job to the next guy left in the building.

That's what the Cowboys did on numerous occasions.

Bissacia leaves for the Raiders? Just hand the job to O'Quinn, who cares if he's never done it before at this level? How hard could it be?

Eberflus leaves to take the Colts DC job? Just give it to the last man standing here, Ben Bloom, who cares if he has no actual experience?
Yeah those moves were insane. Now In one season they got arguably one of the bette special teams coaches and got Nolan who’s speciality is linebackers. What are you thinking to basically think you don’t have to replace coaches with quality coaches.
 

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Yeah those moves were insane. Now In one season they got arguably one of the bette special teams coaches and got Nolan who’s speciality is linebackers. What are you thinking to basically think you don’t have to replace coaches with quality coaches.

In my honest opinion? They didn't know any. That's the bottom line. The Joneses certainly don't. The few they do know are now head coaches elsewhere or retired. And Garrett's 'rolodex' of coaching names could fit on a cocktail napkin. And he burned through everybody he knew while he was here. From Kiffen (Tampa) to Linehan (Miami) and their associates like Marinelli and Kellen Moore. Even Eberflus came here because of Rob Ryan, and by extension the aforementioned Ben Bloom. Garrett didn't know anybody or what good coaching looked like. So it came down to who he knew and then who they knew. A very small pool.

Look at the Paul Alexander debacle in particular. Garrett interviewed and could have had Mike Solari. He was the offensive line coach here long ago and was on past successful teams (like the Harbaugh 49'ers teams). But, rather than hire him, Garrett chose Alexander. Why? Because his idiot brother John Garrett knew him from their time together in Cincinnati. So what happened? Solari turns around the Seahawks offensive line and Alexander ruins ours before he's quickly fired.

Thanks again Jason!
 

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Is it me or is Christian McCAffery incredibly low on this list?



28. DALLAS COWBOYS: S XAVIER WOODS
Previous Pick: EDGE Taco Charlton
Woods finds a home again with the Cowboys, only this time it comes as a first-round pick rather than a sixth-round selection. The three-year man out of Louisiana Tech is coming off the best season of his career in coverage, as he earned a 78.0 coverage grade in 2019. Woods has been solid as the Cowboys’ free safety each of the past two years, and providing average to above-average play at safety like Woods has is inherently valuable to a defense. Rather than wasting away a pick with Charlton, the Cowboys secure their safety several rounds earlier.


Getting Woods that late almost makes up for losing out on Taco but the miss on Taco shouldn't have even happened. I'm not even sure if I fault them for thinking he'd be something. I don't recall hearing about any personal issues with him. He looked to have potential. But if the argument for why they chose him over TJ Watt was because of "fit"? That is a fail.
Agree 100%
 

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I hope you're right but I'll believe it when I see it.

Chido tries hard (most of the time), but he's always a day late and a dollar short. In the picture, but just missing out on making the play.

If these new used linemen can get some consistent pressure, Awuzie might look a lot better. Nothing helps a corner out more.

Plus, I'm not sure Richard's corner technique fit him as well as it did Jones. I guess we'll find out this year.
 

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Stuff like this happens when you think it's 'OK' to let your veteran special teams coach leave and just give the job to the next guy left in the building.

That's what the Cowboys did on numerous occasions.

Bissacia leaves for the Raiders? Just hand the job to O'Quinn, who cares if he's never done it before at this level? How hard could it be?

Eberflus leaves to take the Colts DC job? Just give it to the last man standing here, Ben Bloom, who cares if he has no actual experience?

Although a good GM wouldn't have done that, I think this is the difference in having a real head coach and Garrett. No head coach worth his salt is going to just accept last man standing, they are going to go out like McCarthy did and put together a staff that has a track record.
 

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The only one we need concern ourselves with:

6. NEW YORK JETS: EDGE T.J. WATT
Previous Pick: S Jamal Adams
Watt has improved each year in the NFL, culminating in a 2019 season in which he was a legitimate Defensive Player of the Year candidate. Whether it is chasing down a rusher off the backside of the play or beating his blocker off the jump, Watt has a relentless motor. That motor helped him rack up 81 total pressures (fourth in NFL) and 37 combined quarterback hits and sacks (third) this past season. Losing out on a multi-dimensional defensive chess piece like Adams by one pick is a tough blow for New York, but Watt isn’t a bad consolation prize by any means. He figures to be one of the top edge defenders in the league for years to come — just like his brother.

Thanks again Old Man River!
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At that point in the draft, even *if* Watt turned out to be just a pass rush specialist, he was worth it.

Especially off that we took a WKG instead. I think the whole "dline whisperer" thing went to management's head. And Marinelli's. Same thing with Hill. We drafted for physical traits alone.
 

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Maybe . But QB's have completed less than 55% of their passes on him and have had a rating of 84 and 87 the last two year against him. To say he hasnt been a goof CB is a bad take
I’m not sifting through all the garbage... is someone actually trying to argue Jones wasn’t a great pick?
 

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At that point in the draft, even *if* Watt turned out to be just a pass rush specialist, he was worth it.

Especially off that we took a WKG instead. I think the whole "dline whisperer" thing went to management's head. And Marinelli's. Same thing with Hill. We drafted for physical traits alone.

Because nobody else knew any better. Not Garrett, and certainly not the Joneses. They wanted to make investing in defense - and specifically defensive line - a priority. And they mistakenly trusted an old fool that the game has passed by, in making the decisions.

Twice.
 

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I seem to remember quite a few players like that.
  • Chido
  • Jourdan Lewis
  • Xavier Woods
  • Maliek Collins
  • Vander Esch
  • Cooper Rush
The longer they're here, the worse they look.

Collins I agree, I wouldn't argue Lewis either way.

We got Woods for future 5th, even if he was a backup that would have been a good pick. Rush threw all of three passes his rookie year, I think its a reach to put him on this (or any list really). LVE made the Pro Bowl as a late 1st, his issues last year were about the scheme and not his talent.
 

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Collins I agree, I wouldn't argue Lewis either way.

We got Woods for future 5th, even if he was a backup that would have been a good pick. Rush threw all of three passes his rookie year, I think its a reach to put him on this (or any list really). LVE made the Pro Bowl as a late 1st, his issues last year were about the scheme and not his talent.

But would you want to make tha case that any of them got better the longer they've been here? Do anybody's numbers look better?

Rush had a phenomenal 2017 preseason. By 2018, we were rightfully calling for him to be cut.

As a rookie, Woods was playing safety, corner, slot, you name it. Three years later, he may not even start in 2020.

LVE had a better rookie season than a sophomore season. Show me where I'm wrong.
 

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But would you want to make tha case that any of them got better the longer they've been here? Do anybody's numbers look better?

Rush had a phenomenal 2017 preseason. By 2018, we were rightfully calling for him to be cut.

As a rookie, Woods was playing safety, corner, slot, you name it. Three years later, he may not even start in 2020.

LVE had a better rookie season than a sophomore season. Show me where I'm wrong.

Never played
Didn't Start
Got Hurt
 

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But would you want to make tha case that any of them got better the longer they've been here? Do anybody's numbers look better?

Rush had a phenomenal 2017 preseason. By 2018, we were rightfully calling for him to be cut.

As a rookie, Woods was playing safety, corner, slot, you name it. Three years later, he may not even start in 2020.

LVE had a better rookie season than a sophomore season. Show me where I'm wrong.
It's somewhere between possible and likely that listening to Garrett's same old robotic generic nonsense week after week, year after year lulls players into a state of apathy.
 

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It's somewhere between possible and likely that listening to Garrett's same old robotic generic nonsense week after week, year after year lulls players into a state of apathy.

It was shocking to me just how stark it happened with the quarterbacks in particular.

For a team that had so many former quarterbacks on the coaching staff - Garrett, Linehan, Wilson - all of the quarterbacks got worse rather than better. Dak won since day one. But the others? They were all terrible here. When Romo wasn't out there changing plays and bailing the offense out, the offense, and the team's record, were absolutely pathetic.
 
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