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“According to ESPN NFL insider Chris Mortensen, Prescott's potential long-term deal saw "significant progress" recently.

Remember this thread from just 2 days ago?

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/chris-mortensen’s-dak-contract-update.456176/

Chris Mortensen >>>>>>>>> Shannon Sharp & Skip Bayless
They are basing all of Fox Sports segments about there being “no traction made” from a Yardbarker article that pulled what they wanted from an Ian Rapaport NFL Network interview. Ian just spoke about the same old stuff, yet somehow they spun that into there being no progress. In fact, Ian said talks “have not been contentious”.

Classic April news story
 

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Those who think we have a happy ending coming with our upcoming contract need to prep some.



Money Talks and Dak walks.....yes a Happy ending is coming for the Star as Dak leaves for some other teams bench with his end being in the CFL.....
 

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Money Talks and Dak walks.....yes a Happy ending is coming for the Star as Dak leaves for some other teams bench with his end being in the CFL.....
The CFL still exists?

I was watching Wipeout Canada the other day and one of the contestants was a player in the CFL (episode was like 8 years ago).
The cute girl who intro'd contestants asked him if he was an NFL player. He said "CFL".
She responded "What's that?".
Ha!
 

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Not a Dak hater, just no longer care if he is or isn’t the QB of the Dallas Cowboys for the next 0, 1, or 10 years. The Dallas Cowboys with go on with or without him and I will be there for all of it. There are other human beings who can accept the snap from center and either hand it off or throw it to a teammate. It’s 100% out of my control and Dak’s apparent lack of even the smallest compromise or caring for the overall well being of the team if causing me not really care about him anymore. I’m sure it will eventually get done. I just hope there is structure to it like Zeke’s that gives the team an out in a few years because I don’t think he’s going to get much better after getting paid. It seems that’s his biggest focus and we all know what happens to those players after getting paid. I’m beginning to see trainwreck instead of success.
I just dislike being married to the situation.

I strongly believe there are other forces at work here causing all this to happen.

It will all come out in the wash.
 

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Money Talks and Dak walks.....yes a Happy ending is coming for the Star as Dak leaves for some other teams bench with his end being in the CFL.....
Pappy..

Be careful..

Now you have insulted the CFL lovers by saying Dak is good enough for them.

You do love to live dangerously.

Fact is..

if Dak went to the CFL without his All Pro RB and All Pro WR and his All Pro OL..

and had to throw 70% of the time like they do there..

he would spoon be back in the US running a Valero.
 
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Those who think we have a happy ending coming with our upcoming contract need to prep some.

Sharpe is more annoying than usual, because he's being more stupid than usual. "They won't pay Dak his money." How did 40mil get to be Dak's money? Why not 50? 100?

Should Dak be paid 14% more than Russel Wilson, the highest paid player in the league?

Maybe. Really, maybe. There's some argument that the payscale is going up a lot in the near future, and that a contract under the current payscale will be very undervalued by the new payscale.

And I think this is the sticking point. Dak wants to be paid *now* not according to the payscale *now*, but the payscale he projects for *tomorrow*.

Not entirely unreasonable. But it is unreasonable to expect Jerry to go along with it. Now, both sides disagree on the proper payscale to use.

IMO, that can only get fixed by time. And both sides should start acting based on that.

Dak was happy to play for 2mil last year, turning up his nose at a 33mil per year contract. Why would he be in a big hurry to sign a contract this year, when he'll make 33 on the tag anyway?

Dak should plan to play on the tag.

But, from the Cowboys perspective, Dak is not only wanting a massive premium on the current payscale, he's entirely discounting the *extra* value that Jerry brings to the table with the Cowboys brand.

Jerry should make it clear that he expects the value of the Cowboys brand to be taken into account when making contracts. He should have *always* been doing that. But it's a good time to start now, when his QB not only ignores Cowboy brand value, but wants to be paid according to a projected future payscale.

The Cowboys should be seriously looking into drafting a QB this year. And look into trades for Dak in case we find one we like, and in case he signs his franchise tag.

I don't think there's a magic wand to fix this, particularly since Jerry got publicly punked by both DLaw and Zeke, and has given himself no viable option but Dak at QB. Unreasonable demands appeared to put Dak at no risk of losing the Cowboy brand. So why not be unreasonable? Jerry has established no deterrence.

Jerry can pay Dak 40, or establish deterrence. Once deterrence is lost, it costs to reestablish it. In this case, the cost will be transitioning to a new QB. It's a bad time to lack deterrence, but it is what it is now. Should have thought of that before giving up a 1st for Cooper, so that he could set his price. Or before he let Dlaw and Zeke punk him.

Maybe Jerry actually *agrees* with Dak on the likelihood of an impending boom in the payscale. Maybe that's why he just keeps on caving with player after player. Then fine. "Cave" on Dak and pay him 40.

But if not, I think it's time to move on. Once you start paying the price for deterrence by bringing in an option, a Dak's contract gets less valuable to us by that price. This doesn't get better. It gets worse.
 

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Earlier this week there were positive reports on progress, now there has been no progress. Reports have been all over the place all off season, and it's all media nonsense to interest consumers.

Without hearing specific *numbers* from the principals, all the progress talk is just talk.

Has Team Dak ever actually made their own offer, or have they just rejected offers from Jerry?
 

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I just dislike being married to the situation.

I strongly believe there are other forces at work here causing all this to happen.

It will all come out in the wash.

Other forces like a slightly better than average QB wanting to be the highest paid and get favorable terms that hurts the team’s ability to work the cap. He is showing he isn’t a team first guy and I personally don’t really want to stake the next 4-10 years on a me first player at QB. I know how that ends and it isn’t good.
 

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Pappy..

Be careful..

Now you have insulted the CFL lovers by saying Dak is good enough for them.

You do love to live dangerously.

Fact is..

if Dak went to the CFL without his All Pro RB and All Pro WR and his All Pro OL..

and had to throw 70% of the time like they do there..

he would spoon be back in the US running a Valero.
Tell us how you really feel about Dak
 

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Sharpe is more annoying than usual, because he's being more stupid than usual. "They won't pay Dak his money." How did 40mil get to be Dak's money? Why not 50? 100?

Should Dak be paid 14% more than Russel Wilson, the highest paid player in the league?

Maybe. Really, maybe. There's some argument that the payscale is going up a lot in the near future, and that a contract under the current payscale will be very undervalued by the new payscale.

And I think this is the sticking point. Dak wants to be paid *now* not according to the payscale *now*, but the payscale he projects for *tomorrow*.

Not entirely unreasonable. But it is unreasonable to expect Jerry to go along with it. Now, both sides disagree on the proper payscale to use.

IMO, that can only get fixed by time. And both sides should start acting based on that.

Dak was happy to play for 2mil last year, turning up his nose at a 33mil per year contract. Why would he be in a big hurry to sign a contract this year, when he'll make 33 on the tag anyway?

Dak should plan to play on the tag.

But, from the Cowboys perspective, Dak is not only wanting a massive premium on the current payscale, he's entirely discounting the *extra* value that Jerry brings to the table with the Cowboys brand.

Jerry should make it clear that he expects the value of the Cowboys brand to be taken into account when making contracts. He should have *always* been doing that. But it's a good time to start now, when his QB not only ignores Cowboy brand value, but wants to be paid according to a projected future payscale.

The Cowboys should be seriously looking into drafting a QB this year. And look into trades for Dak in case we find one we like, and in case he signs his franchise tag.

I don't think there's a magic wand to fix this, particularly since Jerry got publicly punked by both DLaw and Zeke, and has given himself no viable option but Dak at QB. Unreasonable demands appeared to put Dak at no risk of losing the Cowboy brand. So why not be unreasonable? Jerry has established no deterrence.

Jerry can pay Dak 40, or establish deterrence. Once deterrence is lost, it costs to reestablish it. In this case, the cost will be transitioning to a new QB. It's a bad time to lack deterrence, but it is what it is now. Should have thought of that before giving up a 1st for Cooper, so that he could set his price. Or before he let Dlaw and Zeke punk him.

Maybe Jerry actually *agrees* with Dak on the likelihood of an impending boom in the payscale. Maybe that's why he just keeps on caving with player after player. Then fine. "Cave" on Dak and pay him 40.

But if not, I think it's time to move on. Once you start paying the price for deterrence by bringing in an option, a Dak's contract gets less valuable to us by that price. This doesn't get better. It gets worse.
Great points all.

Deterrence..nice word.

I am envious.

I posted in another thread..

( Do not ask me to fact check myself as there are already too many Dak threads)

where I said there is more in play than just Dak and his agent and Jerrah and Stephen.

There is a very powerful labor union in place and they represent all the QBs in the NFL.

They all want to see Dak hold his line on his demands. They also will be negotiating for their own deals. They want to all point to this negotiation and use it as leverage in their deals.

DAK's lawyer wants more clients for more fees.

A lot of powerful people are watching what is happening.

Jerrah has apparently extended his offer already.

Deterrence?

Jerrah has no concept of the ideal. He just buys and sells as he wants.

Not this time. Think Lavion Bell and his deal with Pittsburg. Players are now teaching the owners how to play the game. The owners taught them.

Time to return the favor.
 

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One last thing.. Reminder for the Dak haters:

Last year: Dallas was only 172yds (Cobb) from having (3) 1000yd WRs
RBs combined for 69Rec;TEs 95Rec

All the while, our star RB had a “down season”
Zeke 301c-1357yds-12Td

Dak IS a franchise QB. Opinions vary on taste, but stats don’t lie.

Fact:W/L record last year is on the coaching, not Dak

The powers that be either wanted to find out if Prescott could lead the offense with his arm last season or the coaches essentially took what was given to them from opposing teams' defense each week which was more often than not Prescott using his arm as opposed to Elliott using his legs. As a result Prescott had inflated stats yet the team finished 8-8 for a number of reasons including special teams, the kicker, the coaching but also the QB.

The Colts laid the blueprint in how to beat this Cowboys team in 2018. They shut down our running game and asked Prescott to beat them over the top into tight windows in man coverage. The result was an embarrassing zero points on offense.

It's not Prescott hate just there on tape that often Prescott has struggled to step into his throws and he has struggled to consistently beat teams over the top in tight windows in man coverage. It improved when Cooper joined but he still does not do it consistently and that's why myself and many other people do not regard Prescott as a franchise QB. It's nothing personal it's simply because of the aforementioned points.

The Prescott lovers will still solely blame everything on the coaching but then ask yourself, how many games did we win last season with a 10+ points deficit? Again, those are the games where a franchise QB would dig out a few wins with his arm when required to do so.
 
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Other forces like a slightly better than average QB wanting to be the highest paid and get favorable terms that hurts the team’s ability to work the cap. He is showing he isn’t a team first guy and I personally don’t really want to stake the next 4-10 years on a me first player at QB. I know how that ends and it isn’t good.
I agree.

Actually as painful for the fans as this all is..

we all are learning about the person Dak.

He has been hidden this whole time.
 

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Great points all.

Deterrence..nice word.

I am envious.

I posted in another thread..

( Do not ask me to fact check myself as there are already too many Dak threads)

where I said there is more in play than just Dak and his agent and Jerrah and Stephen.

There is a very powerful labor union in place and they represent all the QBs in the NFL.

They all want to see Dak hold his line on his demands. They also will be negotiating for their own deals. They want to all point to this negotiation and use it as leverage in their deals.

DAK's lawyer wants more clients for more fees.

A lot of powerful people are watching what is happening.

Jerrah has apparently extended his offer already.

Deterrence?

Jerrah has no concept of the ideal. He just buys and sells as he wants.

Not this time. Think Lavion Bell and his deal with Pittsburg. Players are now teaching the owners how to play the game. The owners taught them.

Time to return the favor.
The interesting point with Bell is that as the season carried on players really fell out with him and didn't want him back.

If I was the Cowboys I would withdraw the contract offer, offer a non-exclusive franchise tag to Prescott and draft Hurts in this draft.

If Prescott wants to sit out the season then he can...but I would question how that would sit with other teams next season when you consider that there are 5-6 very good prospects in this years draft, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton and Winston all available plus Lawrence and Fields available next season. A team might want him but they would pay him no way near what we have just offered him and realistically he wouldn't have anywhere near the weapons or O-Line.

Why do people think we have no leverage!?
 

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Sharpe is more annoying than usual, because he's being more stupid than usual. "They won't pay Dak his money." How did 40mil get to be Dak's money? Why not 50? 100?

Should Dak be paid 14% more than Russel Wilson, the highest paid player in the league?

Maybe. Really, maybe. There's some argument that the payscale is going up a lot in the near future, and that a contract under the current payscale will be very undervalued by the new payscale.

And I think this is the sticking point. Dak wants to be paid *now* not according to the payscale *now*, but the payscale he projects for *tomorrow*.

Not entirely unreasonable. But it is unreasonable to expect Jerry to go along with it. Now, both sides disagree on the proper payscale to use.

IMO, that can only get fixed by time. And both sides should start acting based on that.

Dak was happy to play for 2mil last year, turning up his nose at a 33mil per year contract. Why would he be in a big hurry to sign a contract this year, when he'll make 33 on the tag anyway?

Dak should plan to play on the tag.

But, from the Cowboys perspective, Dak is not only wanting a massive premium on the current payscale, he's entirely discounting the *extra* value that Jerry brings to the table with the Cowboys brand.

Jerry should make it clear that he expects the value of the Cowboys brand to be taken into account when making contracts. He should have *always* been doing that. But it's a good time to start now, when his QB not only ignores Cowboy brand value, but wants to be paid according to a projected future payscale.

The Cowboys should be seriously looking into drafting a QB this year. And look into trades for Dak in case we find one we like, and in case he signs his franchise tag.

I don't think there's a magic wand to fix this, particularly since Jerry got publicly punked by both DLaw and Zeke, and has given himself no viable option but Dak at QB. Unreasonable demands appeared to put Dak at no risk of losing the Cowboy brand. So why not be unreasonable? Jerry has established no deterrence.

Jerry can pay Dak 40, or establish deterrence. Once deterrence is lost, it costs to reestablish it. In this case, the cost will be transitioning to a new QB. It's a bad time to lack deterrence, but it is what it is now. Should have thought of that before giving up a 1st for Cooper, so that he could set his price. Or before he let Dlaw and Zeke punk him.

Maybe Jerry actually *agrees* with Dak on the likelihood of an impending boom in the payscale. Maybe that's why he just keeps on caving with player after player. Then fine. "Cave" on Dak and pay him 40.

But if not, I think it's time to move on. Once you start paying the price for deterrence by bringing in an option, a Dak's contract gets less valuable to us by that price. This doesn't get better. It gets worse.
:facepalm: Jerry didn't get punked by Zeke. Have you ever looked into the details of that deal? It's an extremely team-friendly deal. Tank's deal only looks bad because he had a lower sack total in 2019. He'll do better with the reinforcements he's getting on the DL.

Dak is here to stay. The Cowboys will have a deal done with him shortly after the draft. You seem exasperated over this negotiation process. Why are you allowing yourself to get so emotionally invested with this? It's a big deal but it was always going to get done and you shouldn't have any doubt about that. It will get done. Waiting for the announcement on the edge of your chair week after week will drive you bonkers if you let it. "Moving on" from Dak is not an option.
 

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The powers that be either wanted to find out of Prescott could lead the offense with his arm last season or the coaches essentially took what was given to them from opposing teams' defense each week which was more often than not Prescott using his arm as opposed to Elliott using his legs. As a result Prescott had inflated stats yet the team finished 8-8 for a number of reasons including special teams, the kicker, the coaching but also the QB.

The Colts laid the blueprint in how to beat this Cowboys team in 2018. They shut down our running game and asked Prescott to beat them over the top into tight windows in man coverage. The result was an embarrassing zero points on offense.

It's not Prescott hate just there on tape that often Prescott has struggled to step into his throws and he has struggled to consistently beat teams over the top in tight windows in man coverage. It improved when Cooper joined but he still does not do it consistently and that's why myself and many other people do not regard Prescott as a franchise QB. It's nothing personal it's simply because of the aforementioned points.

The Prescott lovers will still solely blame everything on the coaching but then ask yourself, how many games did we win last season with a 10+ points deficit? Again, those are the games where a franchise QB would dig out a few wins with his arm when required to do so.
Oh..

I think I spit up my egg roll and Dos Equis on your post.

Good post.

Excuse me, I think I also pissed myself laughing imagining what the Dak Lovers are going to think when they read this.

Be back soon.
 
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