Crawford needs to restructure

Corso

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Actually I am slightly wrong.

His cap hit this year is $9MM. Cutting him only saves $8MM. So next year, if you just let him play out the 2020 season, his roll off would increase cap space by $9MM. If you cut him today, you'd create roughly $16MM in cap space in 2021. So not quite double, but still a significant cap increase for next year.
I apologize for saying creating cap space today.
So I know we save money today by cutting him, but why would it double?
 

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Go figure it out on your own.

When you do, then you can come back and apologize.
8 milly saved this year and next, or 8 milly saved next year.
Unless @Sydla can show me how it doubles with a rollover, which is more than you could do.
 

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I apologize for saying creating cap space today.
So I know we save money today by cutting him, but why would it double?

It's not quite a double.

The reason why it increases is because a rollover increases your cap ceiling the next year.

There is a formula

Team's Total Cap Limit = NFL Base Salary Cap + Rollover +/- any adjustments

So here is another example. Player A is a $12MM cap hit this year. Cut him today and he saves you $4MM. Next year, if you play out his contract, you save that $12MM. But if you cut him and roll over, next year, you have $16MM in cap savings (approximately).

But again it's tough because there are so many moving parts, contracts, etc to pinpoint actual numbers.
 

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It's not quite a double.

The reason why it increases is because a rollover increases your cap ceiling the next year.

There is a formula

Team's Total Cap Limit = NFL Base Salary Cap + Rollover +/- any adjustments

So here is another example. Player A is a $12MM cap hit this year. Cut him today and he saves you $4MM. Next year, if you play out his contract, you save that $12MM. But if you cut him and roll over, next year, you have $16MM in cap savings (approximately).

But again it's tough because there are so many moving parts, contracts, etc to pinpoint actual numbers.
I can sum it up real quick:
IT DOESN'T DOUBLE HIS CAP SAVINGS
 

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I can sum it up real quick:
IT DOESN'T DOUBLE HIS CAP SAVINGS

Why are you focusing on double? Its not about doubling anything, it's just how the number work. And it's not really a doubling, as I misstated his cap hit for 2020...........it's not 8MM, it's 9MM. You only save $8MM if you cut him and have to eat $1MM in dead money.

OK, let's try this again in another crude example.

- Salary Cap for 2020 is $100MM
- Salary Cap for 2021 is $110MM
- Player X has a cap hit of $13MM for just 2020
- Rest of the players have same cap hit in 2020 and 2021
- If you cut Player X this year, you save $7MM in cap space
- If you don't cut Player X, the team is using the full $100MM in space this year.

So if you don't cut him this year, his contract rolls off in 2021 and your team now has $87MM in cap commitments for 2021. With a cap ceiling of $110MM, the team would then have $23MM in cap space for 2021.

However, if you cut him now and save $7MM in cap space this year and roll that over, you still only have $87MM in cap commitments for 2021 but then your cap ceiling isn't $110MM, it's $117MM (base cap ceiling of $100MM + $7MM in cap rollover from 2020). Therefore, $117MM cap ceiling minus $87MM in cap commitments, you now have $30MM in cap space for 2021.
 

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Why are you focusing on double? Its not about doubling anything, it's just how the number work. And it's not really a doubling, as I misstated his cap hit for 2020...........it's not 8MM, it's 9MM. You only save $8MM if you cut him and have to eat $1MM in dead money.

OK, let's try this again in another crude example.

- Salary Cap for 2020 is $100MM
- Salary Cap for 2021 is $110MM
- Player X has a cap hit of $13MM for just 2020
- Rest of the players have same cap hit in 2020 and 2021
- If you cut Player X this year, you save $7MM in cap space
- If you don't cut Player X, the team is using the full $100MM in space this year.

So if you don't cut him this year, his contract rolls off in 2021 and your team now has $87MM in cap commitments for 2021. With a cap ceiling of $110MM, the team would then have $23MM in cap space for 2021.

However, if you cut him now and save $7MM in cap space this year and roll that over, you still only have $87MM in cap commitments for 2021 but then your cap ceiling isn't $110MM, it's $117MM (base cap ceiling of $100MM + $7MM in cap rollover from 2020). Therefore, $117MM cap ceiling minus $87MM in cap commitments, you now have $30MM in cap space for 2021.
I said double because you said he has a hit this year of 8/9 and cutting him would open up 16 next year in the post just above.
That's about double.


You explain things better than @stasheroo could imagine to try.
Dude just says "nope".
 

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I can sum it up real quick:
IT DOESN'T DOUBLE HIS CAP SAVINGS
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I said double because you said he has a hit this year of 8/9 and cutting him would open up 16 next year in the post just above.
That's about double.


You explain things better than @stasheroo could imagine to try.
Dude just says "nope".

Maybe I misread but you seemed to be suggesting that you still weren't buying this concept of where cutting Crawford today would result in more cap space available to the team in 2021 than if they just let him play out his contract untouched in 2020.
 

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Well except for the good stuff you say about me. Well OK, I don't remember you ever doing that, but if you did you'd be right about something.
Aw crap! I always talk well about you!

You monster...
 

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Lawrence
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Gregory
Aldon
Gallimore
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Armstrong

That’s already 9 linemen who are 100% making the team. (I suppose Armstrong isn’t 100%, but the team loves him). That doesn’t include Crawford, Jelks or Jackson. If we add Griffin? That’s already 10. We don’t need Crawford. Griffin is a major upgrade and we can have him for about the same money as we’d save by cutting Crawford.

I'm honestly starting to think that they are not going with Griffen because of off the field character issues.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...n-griffens-mental-state-after-hotel-incident/
 

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We know this needs to happen but Dallas has to pick right time for it. Did they do enough in draft to make that call to Crawford? Gregory & Smith are still unknowns but Dallas did sign two DT in FA then added two more DL in draft. I think Dallas is close to having enough leverage to ask Crawford to cut his salary in half. Then Dallas has about $14 million to make run at Griffen?

Crawford isn’t anything special but he does more than fans give him credit for. He only appeared in four games last season due to an injury and had one sack. In 2018 he had 5.5 sacks which was a half sack more than DLaw got last season. Crawford can be disruptive and not having him most of the season could be one reason why DLaw had a down year. Crawford’s injury gave Trystan Hill an opportunity and he failed resulting in the Cowboys trading for Bennett. We won’t know if we did enough in the draft to move on from Crawford until we start suiting up players. With his injury problems the Cowboys may move on from him we’ll just have to wait and see.
 

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Lawrence
McCoy
Poe
Gregory
Aldon
Gallimore
Woods
Anae
Armstrong

That’s already 9 linemen who are 100% making the team. (I suppose Armstrong isn’t 100%, but the team loves him). That doesn’t include Crawford, Jelks or Jackson. If we add Griffin? That’s already 10. We don’t need Crawford. Griffin is a major upgrade and we can have him for about the same money as we’d save by cutting Crawford.
Yes, Dallas does not need Crawford :clap::hammer::yourock:.
 

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Crawford isn’t anything special but he does more than fans give him credit for. He only appeared in four games last season due to an injury and had one sack. In 2018 he had 5.5 sacks which was a half sack more than DLaw got last season. Crawford can be disruptive and not having him most of the season could be one reason why DLaw had a down year. Crawford’s injury gave Trystan Hill an opportunity and he failed resulting in the Cowboys trading for Bennett. We won’t know if we did enough in the draft to move on from Crawford until we start suiting up players. With his injury problems the Cowboys may move on from him we’ll just have to wait and see.

I've got no problem keeping Crawford on his contract if he's 100% healthy and capable of returning to his form prior to 2019. It just seems like that's a big if to me. From what I've read he might be cooked. To me it's got nothing to do with the draft and everything to do with freeing up that money ASAP to sign a free agent that might not be there later on if we don't think he is the player he was.
 

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I've got no problem keeping Crawford on his contract if he's 100% healthy and capable of returning to his form prior to 2019. It just seems like that's a big if to me. From what I've read he might be cooked. To me it's got nothing to do with the draft and everything to do with freeing up that money ASAP to sign a free agent that might not be there later on if we don't think he is the player he was.

Crawford health will determine whether he’s back this season. If he’s healthy he’s probably going to be the best option we have at least until we see what we have with Gallimore. A virtual offseason and whatever we have of training camp if we even have a training camp is probably not going to be enough to get him ready. Everyone is going to be set back by what’s going on right now. There’s only so much you can do virtually to prepare a team.
 

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LOL.

All the board experts keep saying it's OK to keep Crawford as he will restructure................ and yet the restructure never comes.
Its a rolling bank account, kind of like Smiths contract, but to a lesser degree.
Makes no sense to cut or restructure, unless we need the money to sign another FA.
 

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Its a rolling bank account, kind of like Smiths contract, but to a lesser degree.
Makes no sense to cut or restructure, unless we need the money to sign another FA.

Makes some sense as you can roll his cap savings over to next year.

He should not be playing this year with a 9MM cap hit.
 
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