Do you believe the Cowboys and Dalton talked about this?

Flamma

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The reason I used Kurt Warner is because Dalton would have to do it from day 1. Nick Foles came on in relief of Wentz and played two regular season games losing one of them. Then the playoffs. I don't know that Nick Foles takes them to the Super Bowl had he started day 1.
 

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1 is the best option unless you're a dakslobber and don't care about the Cowboys.

If you are only looking at the short view the Cowboys would be better for one year. But then Dalton would want as much money as Dak (if not more) you would have given up premium draft capital for another player you would have to turn around and give a max contract, and there would be no cap space to retain Clowney. So I think it is better for the team to retain the younger, better qb and keep their draft capital.
 

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I dont think it was specifically spelled out, but come on, the writing is on the wall for everybody to see.

If Dak pulls a Zeke and goes off to Cabo until the team meets his demands, well its next man up and the next man up is Dalton.

He is smart enough to realize this, some things dont have to be said outloud.
 

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I lean toward thinking that Andy, Jerry and Stephen took a chance on one another a while back.

Chances are, they felt that they could probably co-exist and do well if they all worked hard at it.

I also firmly believe that trust is the real foundation of any successful business relationship! ;)

I wouldn't be surprised if they finally concluded it's to their mutual advantage to give it a try! :D
 
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1) Andy Dalton, Jamal Adams and Clowney

2) Dak

Which one makes the team better?
Our fans obviously don't watch much football outside of Cowboys games.

Dalton hasn't posted a passer rating in the 90's in years. The last time he did it was 2016, and it was only a 91 (a passer rating that would pass as a down year for Dak, but it's a career highlight for Dalton). Couldn't even manage a passer rating in the 80's this year, that's how trash he was. Has had losing records every year the entire time Dak has been a pro.

People complaining about Dak not being good enough and ignoring that Dalton is appreciably worse are either in for a rude awakening, or they're finally admitting that their entire problem with Dak was always something else (which we're not allowed to specifically label on this board).

Dalton is 0-4 in the playoffs with a 57.8 passer rating. Imagine having such irrational hatred for Dak and placing so little importance on actually being good at football that you look at Dalton and you think, "Ah, finally. This is the rock I want to build my church on."

With fans like this, we deserve the decades-long dry spell and we deserve decades more.
 

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I'm cool with Dalton going forward no matter what happens with Dak.

I just pray MM doesn't try and bring Rogers here at some point. :eek:
What kind of headlines would there be if Rodgers was brought in? (would never happen especially with MM as our coach)

There still might be a few saying they're just depth if Dak goes down.
 

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I think both parties are savvy enough to know the possibility is there, but not talk about it just yet. Don’t want that press out there.
Without any words said about the starting position Dalton started walking out of Jerry's yacht after the agreement, Jerry called out "Andy" one last time and this is what he saw:
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Of course the Cowboys are hoping that Dak will sign in a deal that works for both parties. However, if they somehow just can't get a deal done and Dak walks, then Andy is the next man up. It's not what the team wants, but it's possible. If that did happen, it would make more sense to have Dalton on a longer contract, most likely 2 years.

Do you believe that Jerry/Stephen and Dalton talked about that possibility and said, "If that happens, let's talk about a longer deal." Would they do that or would they shy away from that as false hope for him being the starter?

There is no scenario where Dak walks. That is a pipe dream of trolls.

But I have no doubt that they told him there might be an opportunity if Dak holds out.
 

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Is dallas better off with Dak for 30 mill or with Dalton for 7 and fill other holes with the extra money?

Not if you are looking to win championships.

But if we were to trade Dak for two first round picks and go with Dalton for a year or two that could set up a rebuild.

But the way this team is built with its core of young players and contracts, anyone suggesting we start over at QB with a rookie is nothing more than a bitter cry baby.

The window for championships starts now if it is ever starting. Personally I think we are probably a year away from being a true contender, but they Cowboys will be really good this year.

Now I could have been talked into trading Dak for two first round picks and signing Brady. But that is taking more risk.
 

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Of course the Cowboys are hoping that Dak will sign in a deal that works for both parties. However, if they somehow just can't get a deal done and Dak walks, then Andy is the next man up. It's not what the team wants, but it's possible. If that did happen, it would make more sense to have Dalton on a longer contract, most likely 2 years.

Do you believe that Jerry/Stephen and Dalton talked about that possibility and said, "If that happens, let's talk about a longer deal." Would they do that or would they shy away from that as false hope for him being the starter?

Here’s the reason signing Dalton mattered. He is backing up the preseason as much as the regular season. Dak could hold out.

You can’t really go into a shortened camp w a new coach/system and a new 1st round WR with Cooper Rush and a 7th round FCS rookie slinging the ball to them.
 

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Of course the Cowboys are hoping that Dak will sign in a deal that works for both parties. However, if they somehow just can't get a deal done and Dak walks, then Andy is the next man up. It's not what the team wants, but it's possible. If that did happen, it would make more sense to have Dalton on a longer contract, most likely 2 years.

Do you believe that Jerry/Stephen and Dalton talked about that possibility and said, "If that happens, let's talk about a longer deal." Would they do that or would they shy away from that as false hope for him being the starter?

First off all the talk about not playing on the tag is just ploy talk instructed by his agent to say, but the Cowboys know a couple of things. First they know that when push comes to shove if no long term deal is worked out by July15, Prescott is far to smart and knows that between the fines that teams can no longer just forgive and the game day checks that he wouldn't receive that it is money that will never be recouped if he doesn't report and play. Second the Cowboys also know that playing for the Cowboys has been Prescott's dream since he was a child and all the negotiating talk is just that.

As far as if the Cowboys said what you say may possibly could have been said to Dalton or his agent, for the entire off season both Jerry and Stephen has said that Prescott is their QB for now and in the future and are sure that Prescott will be there week 1. Now if they for even a split second while negotiating with Dalton didn't think that and then did say hey if things don't work out like we think they will, we'll give you a longer contract, his agent if he was any good would have gotten more money and a longer contract from the get go, one that didn't have a bonus that nobody thinks will be collectable.

I just don't get why people have such a hard time accepting that signing Dalton was a 1 year insurance policy against Prescott missing his first game due to injury. There won't be any REAL competition between Prescott and Dalton for the starting job. The only ones that believe that will be are Prescott haters who's wish it is that Prescott will not be the QB for the Cowboys.
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I think Dalton wants to start period. So 1 year gives him flexibility to try again in year. If he signed 3 year deal and Dak signs his contract then Dalton would be out of options. It is great deal for both sides and Dallas or course could sign him for 2-3 year after this season in event Dalton starts and does well. He is from Texas and at this age that means something.

I agree with much of what you said except the ONLY way Dalton would ever see the field will be if Prescott is injured and since Prescott hasn't missed a single snap due to injury in his first 4 seasons that's makes it a very low chance. Now even if Prescott does miss some snaps or even some games, that by no means that the Cowboys are all of a sudden going to stop thinking Prescott isn't their QB for now and the future and switch horses in the middle of the stream.
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Dalton is 32 years old and while QB's are playing longer my thought is that of course Dallas talked to Dalton about possibly starting based on the frustrations of the Dak negotiations. However, I do not see Dalton being more than either a 1-year back up this season or, if he does start due to Dak either failing to come to an agreement or injury and Dalton performs well, then I could see Dallas signing Dalton to a 2-year extension while they find their new young QB.

The chances that Jerry and Stephen actually told Dalton and/or his agent there was a chance that Dalton could start for any reason other than an injury to Prescott is less than zero. If the Cowboys even hinted that there was a chance that Dalton would start for any other reason they wouldn't have able to get just a 1 year deal for just 3 mil . His agent would have held out for a lot more money and a linger contract.

All of that frustration you talked about is 99.999% by the fans. Jerry and Stephen have been negotiating contracts for 30 years and they don't hit the panic button like the fans do.
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To be honest at this point of his career Dalton would be a fool to pass on this break with a high profile team. Just come in and play back up, also he already have a home in Dallas. Add in the fact I believe Dallas had interest in him coming out the draft.
 

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One year is the best case right now. Insurance as a starter if Dak holds out. If he has a good season, it pressures Dak to sign next season. However if Andy has a good season, they can negotiate a deal with him, trade Dak or get a com pick. Draft a QB to groom under Dalton, depending what they see in Dinucci.

If the lose both QB's, then they can now draft a QB in the 1st round. Get 2 3rd round comp picks. And see what QB's are available in FA and the draft.
If Dak plays on the tag, then we will see if he truly deserves a longer higher contract or not.

It is kind of a win win. See one or both QB's and if they are with signing longer terms or not.
If Dak signs long term, then we best hope he really is the QB. I am 60 / 40 that he is. Prefer he play under the tag even if it cost more later. Then we will know for sure.

The only ones that thinks there is any real chance that Prescott won't either sign a long term deal or the tag are Prescott haters because that it's there wish that Prescott won't be there. It's the fans that are all in a panic right now about Prescott's contract situation. Jerry and Stephen have been negotiating contracts for 30 years and they know that now isn't the panic button time. They also know that Prescott is smart enough to know that missing any mandatory functions will cost him money that will never be recouped, so sitting out of anything won't really happen, especially since playing for the Cowboys has been Prescott's dream since he was a kid.
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What happens if Dak was either hurt/unable to play or held out and Dalton comes in and plays lights out. Plays like his Seattle game. Imagine if he won three or four in great fashion. Hmmmmm
 

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Our fans obviously don't watch much football outside of Cowboys games.

Dalton hasn't posted a passer rating in the 90's in years. The last time he did it was 2016, and it was only a 91 (a passer rating that would pass as a down year for Dak, but it's a career highlight for Dalton). Couldn't even manage a passer rating in the 80's this year, that's how trash he was. Has had losing records every year the entire time Dak has been a pro.

People complaining about Dak not being good enough and ignoring that Dalton is appreciably worse are either in for a rude awakening, or they're finally admitting that their entire problem with Dak was always something else (which we're not allowed to specifically label on this board).

Dalton is 0-4 in the playoffs with a 57.8 passer rating. Imagine having such irrational hatred for Dak and placing so little importance on actually being good at football that you look at Dalton and you think, "Ah, finally. This is the rock I want to build my church on."

With fans like this, we deserve the decades-long dry spell and we deserve decades more.
Thank you for your voice of reason. :bow:
 
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