Dak vs Top 10 Defenses - What really happened

CowboyRoy

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Um....you mean we when they stop feeding zeke too soon?

Since you claim it...give us the stats of Zeke being ineffective "when the cowboys are down big" (When the elite QB is supposed to step up and pass the team into a chance to win)/

This should be good.

How about you post stats about what Zeke did against top 10 defenses. LOL

And what is Zeke's record against winning teams? What did Zeke do in the most important game of the season against Philly? The unstoppable Zeke!!!

BEST RB IN THE NFL!!!!! :muttley:
 

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It's weird to look at passing yards as the best metric here. Passer rating correlates far more closely with winning and, whatever its flaws, is surely superior to passing yardage as a measure of overall QB performance.

Dak doesn't compare as favourably to the average when looking at passer rating:

Dak's passer rating vs top 10 defenses compared to their season average passer rating allowed:

80.7 Avg Allowed Buffalo Bills (86.2 on the road, as they were against Dallas)
91.8 vs Buffalo Bills

85.2 Avg Allowed Chicago Bears (89.4 at home, as they were against Dallas)
83.2 Dak vs Chicago Bears

82.8 Avg Allowed Green Bay Packers (80.1 on the road, as they were against Dallas)
83.8 Dak vs Green Bay Packers

86.4 Avg Allowed Minnesota Vikings (93.2 on the road, as they were against Dallas)
101.4 Dak vs Minnesota Vikings

62.8 Avg Allowed New England Patriots (72.6 at home, as they were against Dallas)
64.2 Dak vs New England Patriots

So basically Dak performed right around the average, maybe slightly above average (though not by much, especially if you start looking at home/away splits), against the Top 10 defenses he faced. Looking at the yardage totals gives the false impression that he performed well above average. Based on this analysis, we have an average to slightly above average QB who wants to be paid like a top performer.

That is quite the analysis. Dak was better than average in all of them but one. IN one of them he blew away the average. In the one he didnt it was two points off the average.

And that is with horrid coaching and without the help of the great Zeke Idiot as he was a no show in most of those games.

Now show the stats on what he did against he rest of the NFL. Or are you a cherry picker?

Then lets go over the other 3 years.
 

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Yes, you do.
The Cowboys were so far behind that the opposing defenses coasted and allowed them to score until they got a little closer. Then they shut Dak down again when they needed to.
As Jerry Jones said in Chicago after that loss- the game wasn't as close as the score.
What.....games.....are....you...referring...to?
 

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How about you post stats about what Zeke did against top 10 defenses. LOL

And what is Zeke's record against winning teams? What did Zeke do in the most important game of the season against Philly? The unstoppable Zeke!!!

BEST RB IN THE NFL!!!!! :muttley:
Very nice deflection! BRAVO!
 

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Scratching my head and pondering.

Your posts always have an unsaid topic.

Let me ask this..

Given your info is valid..

Dak exceeded these defenses average whatever allowed..

the bottom line is wasn't Dak generally behind in these games?

Did we lose or win these games?

How much that the other team was leading and trying to kill clock..does that count?

How much of DAKs production occurred early in games and then later in the games..when the game was essentially over?

I do not want you to spend alot of time copy/pasting answers but a quick overstatement works for me.

Thanx.

The stats are available. Go look them up...
 

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When Dak faced a top 10 defense:
4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for Passer Rating allowed.
4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for TDs allowed.
5 of 5 times he exceeded that defenses season average for passing yards allowed.

Dak's passing yards vs top 10 defenses season averages allowed:
195.2 Avg Allowed Buffalo Bills
355 Dak vs Buffalo Bills

222.1 Avg Allowed Chicago Bears
334 Dak vs Chicago Bears

232.6 Avg Allowed Green Bay Packers
463 Dak vs Green Bay Packers

233.6 Avg Allowed Minnesota Vikings
397 Dak vs Minnesota Vikings

180.4 Avg Allowed New England Patriots
212 Dak vs New England Patriots


Scores by Opponent Offenses of team's with a Top 10 Defense.
BUF 26
CHI 31
GNB 34
MIN 28
NWE 13

The Cowboy and the opponent were within 1 score except the Green Bay game.
- Green Bay scored 34 points which was their 2nd highest points scored for the season.

Summary: The Cowboys offense choked vs the New England Patriots. Dak was good in all other games.


Here are the best stats. Lost to a terrible Jets team and couldn’t beat a wounded Eagles team for a playoff berth.
 

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Here are the best stats. Lost to a terrible Jets team and couldn’t beat a wounded Eagles team for a playoff berth.

The way you guys hold on to that Eagles game is so laughable. Romo lost numerous games to end our season yet you guys never bring them up. Talk about a agenda.
 

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The way you guys hold on to that Eagles game is so laughable. Romo lost numerous games to end our season yet you guys never bring them up. Talk about a agenda.

That’s true, but Romo never asked to be the highest paid player in the NFL did he?
 

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Why are we comparing Dak to average? I'm a dak supporter, but comparing him to average doesn't seem like the best way to analyse this

Cowboys rank with regards to most passing yards against these defenses:
BUF 1st
CHI 1st
GNB 1st
MIN 1st
NWE 6th
 

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I keep hearing the phrase "Garbage Time Stats". Yet... People point to 2 or 3 games which they claim were blowouts by halftime. So... Even if the naysayers are correct and Dak used those 2-3 games to pad his stats... How much padding could actually have been done? The man threw for 4,900 yards. Let's say in the 2-3 games he ran up 400 garbage time yards... He still threw for over 4,500 yards on the season. Also... garbage time doesn't consist of the whole second half of a game... It's usually the last couple drives. Just ask the 93 Oilers if they thought they had the Bills beat at halftime. I wonder if Reich's 4 TDs in the second half counted as garbage stats.:huh:
 

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That’s true, but Romo never asked to be the highest paid player in the NFL did he?
You tell me......

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Friday that the Cowboys and Romo agreed to a six-year, $108 million contract extension with $55 million in guarantees and a $25 million signing bonus, according to the quarterback's agent, RJ Gonser.

Got that at 32 years old with a bad back........
 

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I keep hearing the phrase "Garbage Time Stats". Yet... People point to 2 or 3 games which they claim were blowouts by halftime. So... Even if the naysayers are correct and Dak used those 2-3 games to pad his stats... How much padding could actually have been done? The man threw for 4,900 yards. Let's say in the 2-3 games he ran up 400 garbage time yards... He still threw for over 4,500 yards on the season. Also... garbage time doesn't consist of the whole second half of a game... It's usually the last couple drives. Just ask the 93 Oilers if they thought they had the Bills beat at halftime. I wonder if Reich's 4 TDs in the second half counted as garbage stats.:huh:
Those idiots throw in the Packers game that was a blow out and the fact that he beat the NFC East and the Dolphins and they consider it "stat padding". Even though in reality clearly the Cowboys weren't much better than the Dolphins.
 

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When Dak faced a top 10 defense:
4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for Passer Rating allowed.
4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for TDs allowed.
5 of 5 times he exceeded that defenses season average for passing yards allowed.

Dak's passing yards vs top 10 defenses season averages allowed:
195.2 Avg Allowed Buffalo Bills
355 Dak vs Buffalo Bills

222.1 Avg Allowed Chicago Bears
334 Dak vs Chicago Bears

232.6 Avg Allowed Green Bay Packers
463 Dak vs Green Bay Packers

233.6 Avg Allowed Minnesota Vikings
397 Dak vs Minnesota Vikings

180.4 Avg Allowed New England Patriots
212 Dak vs New England Patriots


Scores by Opponent Offenses of team's with a Top 10 Defense.
BUF 26
CHI 31
GNB 34
MIN 28
NWE 13

The Cowboy and the opponent were within 1 score except the Green Bay game.
- Green Bay scored 34 points which was their 2nd highest points scored for the season.

Summary: The Cowboys offense choked vs the New England Patriots. Dak was good in all other games.

Yards seems like a weird stat to defend this. What were his TD passes, what was his QBR or QB Rating?

For example, yes, he threw for 334 against the Bears but his QB rating that game was a mediocre 83. Vikings he seemed to play well, with a rating of 101. NE he was brutal with a rating of 64.

Green Bay? Rating of 84 with 3 interceptions. Not sure I would say he played well there.

Buffalo? Rating of 92 which is decent.
 

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Why are we comparing Dak to average? I'm a dak supporter, but comparing him to average doesn't seem like the best way to analyse this

Number of losses when these teams scored as many points as they scored against the Cowboys:
BUF Zero
CHI Zero
GNB Zero
MIN 1 (30-27 vs Seahawks, scored 28 vs Cowboys)
NWE Again the outlier with 4.
 

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Yards seems like a weird stat to defend this. What were his TD passes, what was his QBR or QB Rating?

For example, yes, he threw for 334 against the Bears but his QB rating that game was a mediocre 83. Vikings he seemed to play well, with a rating of 101. NE he was brutal with a rating of 64.

Green Bay? Rating of 84 with 3 interceptions. Not sure I would say he played well there.

Buffalo? Rating of 92 which is decent.

The 2nd and 3rd lines of my post...

4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for Passer Rating allowed.
4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for TDs allowed.
(passing TDs)
 

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Put it another way:

GB's pass D gave up a rating of 81. Dak was just above at 84.

Bears pass D gave up a rating of 85. Dak was at 83 for the game.

Buffalo's pass D gave up a rating of 79. Dak had a rating of 92.

NE's pass D gave up a rating of 63. Dak was at 64.

Minnesota pass D gave up a rating of 86. Dak was at 101.

So in two games he played significantly better than the defensive pass rating, one game below and two that were just above so basically he performed around or below average for three of the games.
 

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The 2nd and 3rd lines of my post...

4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for Passer Rating allowed.
4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded that defenses season average for TDs allowed.
(passing TDs)

I missed this........ my bad. Curious as to why you gave yards details but not passer rating. You are a bit bullish with your statement that 4 of 5 times he equaled or exceeded the passer rating allowed.

In two of those 4 games he barely exceeded the pass D rating - GB (84 vs 81) and NE (64 vs 63). So in reality he played well in 2 of the 5 games, not 4.
 

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3 out of 5 games our points scored were less than the teams average allowed. The fact of the matter is that of our 8 losses, we had 4 winnable games in the 4th quarter that Dak did not do anything special to bring home the win.
 
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