Twitter: Fish: Dak wants $45m in 5th year

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some one else? like who? someone like Quincy carter? or chad Hutchinson? or a really old vinny testerverde? or really old Bledsoe?

oh, yeah, I forgot, I will just call 1-800-NEEDQB they have a list of all great starting QBs we can just order one online and get it shipped in 2 days!

Oh, you are one of those people who think there will never be any other QBs available except the one the team has right now. Someone else as in they are a professional football team with an entire scouting department that can be tasked with finding another QB that the coaching staff is then tasked with developing. I'm giving them 4 years to do it. Is that really so hard to understand and conceive of, that a NFL team might be able to find another QB and have him ready to play within 4 years?
 

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there is a deadline. July 15th, I believe.

Yep that's the date, but I would give an earlier one and say this offer is on the table until July 8th. Pull it and then see if they get desperate the final week. Cowboys hold the cards, the only one Dak has is to withhold his services but Dalton is a good backup plan. If Dam shows up the Cowboys risk is he balls out leading the team deep into the playoffs and ask for a few more a season.
 

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You aren't grasping the concepts here behind this.

Dak is asking for a ridiculous 5th year salary because he knows it puts Dallas in a tough spot. If they give him that 5th year with a ridiculous base salary (or base + roster bonus), yes, they could cut him if he stunk. But if he doesn't stink, he has Dallas over a barrel in that 5th year. He has no incentive to negotiate an extension at that point............ because he knows he'd be banking a ridiculous $45MM in Year 5 and then looking at another big pay day in Year 6 when he signs a long term deal.

They are asking for that ridiculous 5th year for one reason only........... to pressure Dallas into agreeing to just a 4 year extension. If Dallas caves on that 5th year at $45MM or more, it's an even bigger win for Dak.

Except $45 won't be ridiculous for a franchise QB in 5 years.
 

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If they are really just arguing over 10 million in May, it makes me feel like by July something will get done.
 

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Yep that's the date, but I would give an earlier one and say this offer is on the table until July 8th. Pull it and then see if they get desperate the final week. Cowboys hold the cards, the only one Dak has is to withhold his services but Dalton is a good backup plan. If Dam shows up the Cowboys risk is he balls out leading the team deep into the playoffs and ask for a few more a season.


Here's the thing....Dalton haters say he's not worthy to fill in should Dak hold out. Yet...he was a blockbuster signing to be the back up by many accounts!

So he was a great signing to come in for undetermined injury...but a terrible signing to come in for undetermined contract problems?

Mkay sure.
 

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Funny, all of those players play for the same team, my point exactly.

Brees, Rodgers, Rothliesberger, Wilson all got new deals but we weren't in on any details prior to the deals being done. In fact, a lot of these new deals are done and we're not aware they were even negotiating until it's announced.

You are using these two clowns as the example of today's NFL? What other teams do it this way? In any sport?
Are you posting from your grassy knoll?
 

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Again disingenuous. What Wentz and Goff are under is 6 years of control. Wilson, when he signed, was under control then for 5 years.

Dak wants only 4 years control. He's asking for something his peers didn't get.
Wentz and Goff came into the league exactly when Dak did, and their contracts will end 4 years into Dak's new contract. Dak isn't in the same position because there was no fifth-year option on his rookie contract, which is because of the way the league and draft are structured, not anything to do with him. W's and G's contracts will end in 4 years: same overall period of team control through rookie and follow-on contract (if Dak signs a 4-year deal). Dak is asking to be put on the level and schedule of those two guys.

I do not know what the team offered him in terms of an extension last year. If it was a 5-year extension (putting him on schedule with Wentz and Goff) for equivalent money, then yeah, there's an argument that he should have been willing to sign then to avoid putting the team in a more challenging cap situation. If it wasn't, then that argument isn't there.
 

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The article covers this pretty well. Dak would prefer a 4-year deal. If they want a fifth year, he's asking for a contract $10 million higher than what they've offered ($185 vs. $175).

Sounds like
Cowboys offer: 5 years, $175, $105 guaranteed

Dak's offers:
4 years, $140 OR
5 years, $185

I don't know what the guarantees he's asking for are.

Dak *should* have asked for more guaranteed money for a 5th year. If he's not, they should grab the deal. The longer term on the deal still lets them spread the signing bonus hit, while the 45mil likely will be a bargain, and if not *move on*.

Sounds like Dak actually does want to get a deal done this year.
 

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First he ate all the Chunky and Wendy’s Nuggs...and now he wants almost the whole Pie.

Pretty soon it will be Dak and a bunch of scrubbs off their couches.

Looking forward to DiNucci in Preseason at this point.
 

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Here's the thing....Dalton haters say he's not worthy to fill in should Dak hold out. Yet...he was a blockbuster signing to be the back up by many accounts!

So he was a great signing to come in for undetermined injury...but a terrible signing to come in for undetermined contract problems?

Mkay sure.

Yep, I would have a ton more urgency if we were dangling the prospect of Rush starting the season. But my view on it has totally changed with Dalton.
 

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Here's the thing....Dalton haters say he's not worthy to fill in should Dak hold out. Yet...he was a blockbuster signing to be the back up by many accounts!

So he was a great signing to come in for undetermined injury...but a terrible signing to come in for undetermined contract problems?

Mkay sure.

He's great for a backup. Does that make sense?
 

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Hate to stir the pot, but he might not even be a good starter in 5 years.
Hope he is, but that is not a lock.
Dak will be as good as Dalton is now 5 years from now.
Dak just wants to clean Jerrys pockets like many have while he can.
 

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Funny, all of those players play for the same team, my point exactly.

Brees, Rodgers, Rothliesberger, Wilson all got new deals but we weren't in on any details prior to the deals being done. In fact, a lot of these new deals are done and we're not aware they were even negotiating until it's announced.

You are using these two clowns as the example of today's NFL? What other teams do it this way? In any sport?
I use Stephen, not jerry and have said so the last few years. And i think he forgets more about 100 million dollar deals in 5 minutes than many posters here who seem to highly overvalue their contract writing skills have learned in their lifetimes.
 

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You aren't grasping the concepts here behind this.

Dak is asking for a ridiculous 5th year salary because he knows it puts Dallas in a tough spot. If they give him that 5th year with a ridiculous base salary (or base + roster bonus), yes, they could cut him if he stunk. But if he doesn't stink, he has Dallas over a barrel in that 5th year. He has no incentive to negotiate an extension at that point............ because he knows he'd be banking a ridiculous $45MM in Year 5 and then looking at another big pay day in Year 6 when he signs a long term deal.

They are asking for that ridiculous 5th year for one reason only........... to pressure Dallas into agreeing to just a 4 year extension. If Dallas caves on that 5th year at $45MM or more, it's an even bigger win for Dak.


I am grasping everything. You’re making a broad assumption about what I do and don’t understand about Dak’s motivation based on one comment I made.

Obviously it’s a negotiating tactic. That’s all well and good.

I’m simply pointing out that people are freaking out about a base salary that he is asking for that will be at the end of his contract and won’t be guaranteed. Even if he did sign that deal, he probably gets extended, or cut prior to that season anyway and would never see the 45 mil for the season. Unless his play warranted it and the cowboys wanted to pay it.

I wasn’t discussing Dak’s negotiating motivation for asking for that 45. I was talking about the future cap
Implications of a non guaranteed high base salary 5 years from now.

All of this is probably moot anyway because this is based off one report by Fisher and likely won’t be the final number anyway.
 

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Call Dak's bluff and give him a deadline. If he doesn't agree let him play the season under the tag. If he holds out give Dalton the keys and let's see how the team performs. Willing to take the risk.

Im just very thankful.
 

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Here's the thing....Dalton haters say he's not worthy to fill in should Dak hold out. Yet...he was a blockbuster signing to be the back up by many accounts!

So he was a great signing to come in for undetermined injury...but a terrible signing to come in for undetermined contract problems?

Mkay sure.

You can't differentiate between dalton starting 2-4 games to sub in for an injured dak..against say Browns Giants cardinals Commanders vs starting all 16 games???

Ummmm ok
 
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