I was just wondering if it's the older fans who see what I see in Dak

[starfan1]

I have an extremely hard time clicking on a thread started by a Viking fan but I did. It didn't surprise! This pandemic must be getting the best of me.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I find it impossible to judge the guy considering defenses knew what was coming...at least a good portion of the time.

If I take issue with him, he doesnt seem to use his legs as much as he used to or should to convert 3rd downs.

He is also a bit timid as far as stepping into the pocket and delivering the ball.

None of this adds up to someone we cant win with, and replacing him may take quite the effort. I'm not sure getting our hands on a better option is even possible.

You make some good points however I thought Dak showed improvement last season on stepping up in the pocket. He still needs to improve but the way he used to run backwards into a sack wasn't there as much.

I think his biggest weakness is he doesn't trust his eyes. Sometimes he sees a receiver getting ready to make a break but hesitates and is late. Some of his best throws is when he drops back and fires exactly where it was meant to go without thinking about it. He needs to just be more confident and trust what he sees and not let his mechanics break down when the pocket collapses

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I just can’t take anyone seriously who questions Dak’s leadership. His leadership may be his greatest strength.

What does he do that makes it his greatest strength? Not trying to trick or trap you...just want specifics on your view,

 

[G2]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

Thank you for contributing to my "misused/overused phrase list"
The "it" factor is just silly. You don't have the production for 4 years in the NFL unless you're a legit QB.
And leadership is something no one except Prescott hater trolls rags on. He shows tremendous leadership if you actually care to take an honest look.

 

[Aviano90]

What does he do that makes it his greatest strength? Not trying to trick or trap you...just want specifics on your view,

His leadership has been lauded from the very beginning of his career. There is story after story talking about his leadership abilities, going back to his college education. The only people who I've ever seen question his leadership are the people who find fault in almost everything related to Dak.

 

[jazzcat22]

You make some good points however I thought Dak showed improvement last season on stepping up in the pocket. He still needs to improve but the way he used to run backwards into a sack wasn't there as much.

I think his biggest weakness is he doesn't trust his eyes. Sometimes he sees a receiver getting ready to make a break but hesitates and is late. Some of his best throws is when he drops back and fires exactly where it was meant to go without thinking about it. He needs to just be more confident and trust what he sees and not let his mechanics break down when the pocket collapses

I can see him improving in the confidence, or trusting his eyes part this year. He will have better overall coaching to help with this. Later on in the year it seemed he had reverted just a bit from everything he improved upon earlier. However, I think that was also the entire team. Something was off with the entire team. Plus some minor injuries to many players playing hurt.
Dak and Cooper as well, LVE. The coaches also seemed just not to care. Even rod and the defense got away from what they did the previous year.

 

[Ranched]

Seriously, he led a talented team to 8-8 last season and went completely AWOL in 3 of them, losing the division, Seriously

Oh please. Everyone and their mother knows this team hasn't been good due to Garrett. It's not like there haven't been 8-8 season prior to Prescott. Coincidence?! Oh, I know. Romo sucked too and it wasn't Garrett's coaching. It doesn't take a great QB to get a team to a Superbowl. But it does take great coaching. See 49ers. They were nothing until Sha-na-na was hired & took them to the promised land in only 3 years of head coaching.

 

[1972COWBOY]

I see him as a running QB. And if he doesn't get the chance to run a lot, he will be held back because he can't make up for his lack of opportunities to run with his poor accuracy/

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I hardly ever post in any Dak threads because I'm exhausted reading the same things said over and over again and refuse to get into this thing where you either love Dak or hate him If you support either side of a debate. I will say, despite certain issues he may have, Dak as leader never was a concern to me.

I think you've seen guys genuinely support him and believe in his ability to get the job done. As for having the "it" factor so to speak, you cant measure that but I would say if it was simply a yes or no in terms of that, then yes he was what it takes in terms of leadership.

My issues/worries with him are simply mechanics at times or missing throws that he physically can make but doesnt. Not leading receivers or over/under throwing passes that could be game changers. He is also the guy who, with his run in a Seattle playoff game, showed you that he isnt afraid to put himself out there to try and do whatever it takes to win. I don't think hes got the strongest arm or is ever going to dissect the field the way Peyton Manning could but that doesnt mean he doesnt have what it takes to win. I'd say age has nothing to do with your feeling but then again I'm younger then you and could be way off.

I also have a little bit of an issue with his ability to change plays. Did he get better in 2019? Not sure.

I know....I just risked Dak hater label by saying something I am critical of. As someone mentioned earlier....haven't we done this for pretty much all our QB's at one time or another. Sure SB's can alleviate that but we got none.
And I think that's okay....When the star helmet goes on the head, when the cleats hit the turf those are OUR guys out there.

I think when you call players names, and call fans of the players names...and try to incessantly convince fans they need to hate players as much as you do....there's a problem.

(not you ejk, you in general)

 

[Yobwocs]

Ok, I admit his Red Zone passing needs work. It was quite good in 2016 tho - maybe because the offense was way better. There's a lot of factors that go into these things, but above all the offense needs to be criticized separately of the QB sometimes. A QB often can't help the offense he has (ask Brady and Rodgers and Brees) all have had down years with their offense, just like visa versa - sometimes.

But, think the Jones' don't know this? That's why they drafted CeeDee Lamb, because we got no targets in the Red Zone. Cooper is good on the sidelines of the RZ, but he's not any good as a general Red Zone target, am I right? I don't see him making any exceptional Red Zone catches - on long balls yeah but he's less effective in tight traffic. If the Red Zone is the only thing keeping Dak from being great or satisfactory to some of his haters, then I don't think it's something completely unfixable. I mean, the dude has the #1 rated deep ball in 2019.

Yeah I know what people are gonna say: "AIN'T NO WAY he's #1 on the deep ball" but these people never explain their expertise, they just diss and discredit, so yeah... 'nuff said. Simply putting "LOL" or "this is bull" or something like that is the general impression I get from those posters' posts.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

The "it" and leadership factor is what Dak has the most of. Its was obvious he had it since the beginning and been proven more so over his first 4 years.

Seriously...……..how does a rookie QB come onto the scene and help the team go13-3, win over the team and guys like Witten that have been loyal to Romo if he doesn't have the "it" factor?

If I was you, I would seriously question my ability to analyze talent and especially the QB position.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Oh please. Everyone and their mother knows this team hasn't been good due to Garrett. It's not like there haven't been 8-8 season prior to Prescott. Coincidence?! Oh, I know. Romo sucked too and it wasn't Garrett's coaching. It doesn't take a great QB to get a team to a Superbowl. But it does take great coaching. See 49ers.

I fully agree. I mentioned it several times already. We spent the last 4-6 years furious with Garett. now we're spending all spring and summer bashing the crap out of zeke and dak. It's ridiculous.

 

[JW82]

If you want to say he can improve on his deep ball, I agree, although PFF says he is the best at it, I see a guy who can get better. If you want say he sometimes does not hit the slant pattern in stride and can improve on leading the wr so he doesn't have to lose speed, I agree. He's good enough but can improve on that. Any other criticism, especially leadership is ridiculous. He has carried a coachless team to 2 playoff years in his 4 years. His TD to int ratio is tremendous, his completion % passer rating are both top 10 all time. His YPC are the same as Drew Brees. AND he adds the ability to run as well. He brought a Dallas team back in a playoff game to tie Aaron rogers when they were down by 25. He beat Russell Wilson in a playoff game as well, again ALL with pop warner level head coaching. And I am 53, and have seen them all since the mid/late 70's.

If all of the guys you mentioned below were in their prime and available. NO ONE is taking Haden, White, Sipe, Pastorini, Morton, Theisman, Kilmer, Jaws or Williams over Dak.

Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre.

 

[Whyjerry]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

I am 48. Go back to the late 70s teams. Contract nonsense aside I like Dak. I also factor in that he had to deal with Jason Garrett. A huge handicap. On the field my only issue is his accuracy is inconsistent. Really that’s his only issue. He will never be Mahomes so I don’t hold him to that standard. Who actually has that talent?

 

[cern]

i'm among the eldest of posters here and I think dak is highly capable. he improved his mechanics logarithmically last year with kitna's help. with new and vastly more creative coaching, which we have now, I would only expect him to get better. I don't care about his upcoming contract, safe in the knowledge Stephen will do what's best for the team.

 

[G2]

I also have a little bit of an issue with his ability to change plays. Did he get better in 2019? Not sure.

I know....I just risked Dak hater label by saying something I am critical of. As someone mentioned earlier....haven't we done this for pretty much all our QB's at one time or another. Sure SB's can alleviate that but we got none.
And I think that's okay....When the star helmet goes on the head, when the cleats hit the turf those are OUR guys out there.

I think when you call players names, and call fans of the players names...and try to incessantly convince fans they need to hate players as much as you do....there's a problem.

(not you ejk, you in general)

You just admitted to be not being sure about his ability to change plays. So, how can you criticize fairly if you don't know? I mean, nothing personal, but that is textbook hating.
It was also fairly obvious that he took another step forward last season.

 

[starfan1]

His leadership has been lauded from the very beginning of his career. There is story after story talking about his leadership abilities, going back to his college education. The only people who I've ever seen question his leadership are the people who find fault in almost everything related to Dak.

not only that but look at how the other players follow him compared to our last QB.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

His leadership has been lauded from the very beginning of his career. There is story after story talking about his leadership abilities, going back to his college education. The only people who I've ever seen question his leadership are the people who find fault in almost everything related to Dak.

I was asking for YOUR perspective. What makes him a great leader to YOU? I streets again...no trap or tricks. Just a conversation is all.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I seriously can't take you serious if you say that leadership is Dak's greatest strength.

For a minute there it sounded like you wanted to start a legitimate discussion. Looks like its just another troll thread for you eh?

 

[Ken]

I'm 53- almost 54 years old. I have been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70's- when I was old enough to know about them.
I've seen the likes of Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, Pat Haden, Danny White, Joe Montana, Brian Sipe, Dan Pastorini, Craig Morton, John Elway, Joe Theismann, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, Doug Williams, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and others like Brett Favre on their best and worst days.
It's not that Dak can't learn. He's a great athlete.
But I don't see in him the instincts of any of the quarterbacks I just mentioned in regards to leadership skills and making a team better.
I'm just curious if it's the older generation that sees what I see?
One thing Dak does better is that he doesn't throw many interceptions, but I am not sure if that comes from the fact that he strictly follows the route tree or is just more aware.
But he doesn't seem to have "it" when it comes to leadership.
But is it the older guys who see what I see?
Just curious.

Not even close to seeing what you see.

I see a lack of that in a guy like Wentz though....I have seen that since before he was drafted.

Dak's leadership skills, by anyone's measure, is off the charts. It is by far his best trait and has always been.