Opinion: Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job

[MarcusRock]

....or because he lives there anyway and wanted to be near home with the uncertainty of the season, etc.

I don’t get the premise here. Did it really have to be pointed out to Dalton, or anybody for that matter, that he could be the starter if Dak never signed? Did they really have to convince him he would get a fair shot to beat out Rush and DiNucci?

“Dalton chose Dallas because he was told he had a shot to win the job if Dak didn’t show up.”

Do you have a link/source for this?

Can't you guys just sit back and let over-the-top drama take its course?

 

[CATCH17]

He had a shot to win the job if Dak didn't show up.

This got me thinking about that actual scenario. And you have to applaud the FO for getting Dalton to sign by telling him that. Love the sell job. And great insurance job securing Dalton and leverage in the Dak negotiations.

Couple questions:

1. How many games do you think we could win if Dalton was our QB the entire year?

2. How much MORE is Dak better than Dalton, if at all, and how many more wins is Dak better than Dalton?

Dak is better but it is very minimal and that is factoring in potential upside.

We can get similar results with Dalton that we could with Dak.

When you factor in money.. Dalton > Dak all day.

If it were possible i'd rather go into the season with Dalton, Byron Jones, Quinn > Dak.

 

[mcmvp]

Andy Dalton 40 time 4.82
Dak 40 time 4.79

Well if that's Dalton's combine number, there is more miles on those wheels now lol

And we both know there is more to running with the ball than just straight line speed in shorts.

 

[Ring6]

if Dak holds out and Dalton starts off 3-0 with a win at Seattle, yikes.

 

[kskboys]

They won’t, but if Dallas went Dalton and never paid Dak, it would have no positive effect on the team in 2020. Having all that cap space would mean nothing...who are you going to pay that money to? Game changers are not going to be available in August.

And if Dalton has a good year, you will be paying him 25 million and up as a free agent next summer when he would be coming off a career year as an unrestricted free agent.

Clowney and Griffen might.

 

[cowboygo]

Dak is better but it is very minimal and that is factoring in potential upside.

We can get similar results with Dalton that we could with Dak.

When you factor in money.. Dalton > Dak all day.

If it were possible i'd rather go into the season with Dalton, Byron Jones, Quinn > Dak.

in a vacuum where there is only 1 season left in the NFL, I wouldn't mind that alternative. but alas, it aint so.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Hard to win games when your receivers led the league in drops (51). Your kicker missed the most FGs (10) (most were between the 30s - 40s range). Your special teams was absolutely the worst. Plus, your Defense was 3rd worst in missed tackles. Then add in Garrett and his bunch of misfits.

Well, I guess it's easier just to blame Dak.

don't do that...just please don't do that... all the losses are Dak's fault. any wins is because he was surrounded by talented players or other parts of the team did it. Dak should have won two superbowls already because God knows anybody else with this team, this talent, this coaching staff would have won at least one and gone to 3 NFCCG....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

....yet you just placed blame on everyone else so how is that any better?

no, he just pointed out that there was a lot of other faults with the team, not just Dak. given every loss last year is being blamed on Dak.

 

[CATCH17]

in a vacuum where there is only 1 season left in the NFL, I wouldn't mind that alternative. but alas, it aint so.

Yes but there is a draft and Dak could be easily replaced there.

QB's like Dalton, and Dak, are available all of the time in FA so if the Rookie doesn't work out we draft another and sign the next Dalton.

The spread offense, imo, has just made the College to NFL transition much easier for QB's.

 

[cowboygo]

Yes but there is a draft and Dak could be easily replaced there.

QB's like Dalton, and Dak, are available all of the time in FA so if the Rookie doesn't work out we draft another and sign the next Dalton.

The spread offense, imo, has just made the College to NFL transition much easier for QB's.

I hear you, I just don't think a coach would like to go that route with their job on the line.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well if your theory is that its the QB's job to win all the games and put the team on his back regardless of what the other players or coaches do then I could see how you would think that.

The problem with your angle is that I didn't hear you applauding Dak for doing just that many times the first 3 years. Dak leading his team to last drive comeback wins his first 3 years and I didn't hear you talking about that.

Now if we are just critiquing Dak by himself then I can certainly agree he wasn't as good at willing the team as he was the previous 3 years. However, he clearly had the best season individually and showed he could do much more than just drive the bus.

here is the fact with all the Dak detractors.
what they say because:

• Dak asking for $35M a year....Dak sucks. he is back up material, he doesn't carry the team, all the losses are his fault, he doesn't show leadership, he will never win anything, I hate him, he sucks

what they would say if dak asked for $28-30M a year

• we got a steal signing a top 10 QB at that price, he has the IT factor, he led the best offense in the league last year, only to be held back by defense, special teams and coaching

that's what difference $5M/year makes......same player, same everything else.

 

[America's Cowboy]

don't do that...just please don't do that... all the losses are Dak's fault. any wins is because he was surrounded by talented players or other parts of the team did it. Dak should have won two superbowls already because God knows anybody else with this team, this talent, this coaching staff would have won at least one and gone to 3 NFCCG....

LLLOOOOLLL

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yep...…..and that's probably why he signed. Because there is at least a chance that Dak doesn't show up and Dallas has a great team. You don't suppose that it would be smart to act like he wouldn't have to win the job correct? At the time they were wooing him Rush was still here and they had resigned him for 2 million.

with Dalton, dallas has a good team, not great. our chances greatly diminish in post season success with him.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes but there is a draft and Dak could be easily replaced there.

QB's like Dalton, and Dak, are available all of the time in FA so if the Rookie doesn't work out we draft another and sign the next Dalton.

The spread offense, imo, has just made the College to NFL transition much easier for QB's.

how could he easily be replaced through draft...enlighten us with your NFL front office strategy wisdom?

the facts, pure facts are that QB like Dak aren't available in FA, given he got the Tag....

 

[CowboyRoy]

"Hey, Dalton. You do know that if Dak doesn't show up, you could win the starting qb job right?

I mean, there literally is nobody else on the roster

Sure, seems like a real conversation

Rush wasn't cut till after Dalton was signed there smart guy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

They won’t, but if Dallas went Dalton and never paid Dak, it would have no positive effect on the team in 2020. Having all that cap space would mean nothing...who are you going to pay that money to? Game changers are not going to be available in August.

And if Dalton has a good year, you will be paying him 25 million and up as a free agent next summer when he would be coming off a career year as an unrestricted free agent.

 

[CowboyRoy]

how could he easily be replaced through draft...enlighten us with your NFL front office strategy wisdom?

the facts, pure facts are that QB like Dak aren't available in FA, given he got the Tag....

 

[robjay04]

He had a shot to win the job if Dak didn't show up.

This got me thinking about that actual scenario. And you have to applaud the FO for getting Dalton to sign by telling him that. Love the sell job. And great insurance job securing Dalton and leverage in the Dak negotiations.

Couple questions:

1. How many games do you think we could win if Dalton was our QB the entire year?

2. How much MORE is Dak better than Dalton, if at all, and how many more wins is Dak better than Dalton?

This makes no sense

Dak cannot negotiate a new deal with the team after July 15th. Laveon Bell is a one off scenario...he regrets holding out now but his reasoning was that he’s a RB with a short shelf life.

Prescott has absolutely nothing to gain by holding out past July 15th...it will only hurt him in getting max value for his next contract and he will miss out on over 30 million dollars.

The Cowboys know this and if Dalton isn’t bright enough to know this...I don’t even want him on this team.

 

[CATCH17]

how could he easily be replaced through draft...enlighten us with your NFL front office strategy wisdom?

the facts, pure facts are that QB like Dak aren't available in FA, given he got the Tag....

What you do is.. You pick a guy in the 1st round...

If it doesn't work out... THEN...

You pick another...

Meanwhile.. In Free Agency... There will be some QB similar to Dak asking for much less because he wasn't fortunate enough to play on a team that protected him, gave him a elite RB, and quality WR's his entire career. You go sign that guy...

The plan is to not pay a lot for a player that is only good. Good QB's are replaceable. Too many "good" QB's now days. Everyone has a good QB or a good prospect at QB.

 

[CowboyRoy]

if Dak holds out and Dalton starts off 3-0 with a win at Seattle, yikes.

That's what would have happened last year if Zeke held out. Too bad Jerry caved.