Garrett supporters pointed out Garrett's stats too

JBond

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Looks to me like Cowboys fans would be tired of bragging about Dak's stats when we watched him choke all year.
Second half of the season. That was when he choked. Somewhere after he said he wants the ball in his hand with the game on him. Then choked three games away.
 

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The head coach should have his fingerprints in all facets of the game. The QB does not. HC’s are very easily replaced. QBs are not. Garrett had 13 years including 3 straight 8-8 seasons. Dak has had 4 years and one 8-8 season
 

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During the 13 miserable years that we were forced to endure the incompetence of Jason Garrett, his supporters repeatedly pointed out the stats of the offense. Garrett's offenses would rack up big yards on passing plays, but because he ignored the run game, drives repeatedly stalled in the red zone when the field shortened and receivers couldn't get open.
We heard how much the players loved Garrett, and how they never quit on him. We heard time and time again how the players believed in him.
Yet every year ended in disappointment, and he wasted years of the fans lives and the careers of many stars. 8-8 was Garrett's record more often than not, yet we heard that we were trolls for demanding that he be fired.
We were even told that we should be happy with an 8-8 record.
Sound familiar?
The danger of this mentality continuing is real. Garrett 2.0 is in the house.
Get a life.
 

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I like this Dak the choker narrative.

Completely ignores pretty solid outings in important games over the rest of his career.
 

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On the other hand, the Dallas Cowboys sign a legitimate backup in 2014, Brandon Weedon, a former 1st round pick and NFL starter.

In 2015 the Cowboys lose Tony Romo for almost the entire season and the Cowboys go on a 7 game losing streak.

There is no doubt that Dak Prescott is a far better QB than Andy Dalton. The season takes a serious hit if Dak is not playing.

Additionally, if Dak end up somewhere else then the Cowboys must use a lot of valuable resources and/or training time to replace him next season. It will take at least a season of experience to acclimate him to the NFL. Few quarterbacks are able to do what Dak did as a rookie, in fact, none.

So the Cowboys just might be contenders in the 2022 season. How much is that worth to Jerry considering the concept of time?

My point is, whatever decision Jerry makes with Dak.... he better be right.

And that also goes for the hiring of his HC, Mike McCarthy.
 

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Offensive stats were acceptable under Garrett. Play calling especially in the Red Zone were questionable.

Anyway....what was the point of this thread again?
he is using JG as an analogy to point out that dak is the same, good stats, but avg results and not very good once in playoffs.
People that defend dak and say pay him qoute his stats and records w/l and others.

I pointed out that in last 3 years dak and team are 27-21 which avg out = 9-7 which is not vg for last 3 years.
 

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And Dak is 40-24 as a starter with very good stats.

That’s why he’ll make over $30m next year.

Keep crying about it while Dak kicks your *** at life.
:laugh:
last 3 years dak and team are 27-21 which avg out = 9-7 is that good?
The first year teams defenses did not know dak or his flaws / weaknesses and 2nd year they did, so counting the first year isnt
good.
Also elliot was really good in 2016 and he is nowhere near that good now.
The OL was younger and better then too, now fred is gone and the others are 3 years older.
that being said, dak probably will get the money he wants, and he will kick your ____ at life too, in fact pretty sure everyone here at cz.
 

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During the 13 miserable years that we were forced to endure the incompetence of Jason Garrett, his supporters repeatedly pointed out the stats of the offense. Garrett's offenses would rack up big yards on passing plays, but because he ignored the run game, drives repeatedly stalled in the red zone when the field shortened and receivers couldn't get open.
We heard how much the players loved Garrett, and how they never quit on him. We heard time and time again how the players believed in him.
Yet every year ended in disappointment, and he wasted years of the fans lives and the careers of many stars. 8-8 was Garrett's record more often than not, yet we heard that we were trolls for demanding that he be fired.
We were even told that we should be happy with an 8-8 record.
Sound familiar?
The danger of this mentality continuing is real. Garrett 2.0 is in the house.

Dak sucks! But Garrett sucked too!

If Garrett sucked, how can we hold that against Dak?

If Dak sucks, how can we hold that against Garrett (and forgive his other years)?

Are both true? Not likely, unless you're lazy.

Oh, by the way, there are two other aspects of football and the Cowboys haven't been great in either for years - defense and special teams.

But that's too complicated. Let's keep it simple, like my grandma did, it's the coach's fault or the QB's fault - nothing else matters.

You guyz...:muttley:
 

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last 3 years dak and team are 27-21 which avg out = 9-7 is that good?
The first year teams defenses did not know dak or his flaws / weaknesses and 2nd year they did, so counting the first year isnt
good.
Also elliot was really good in 2016 and he is nowhere near that good now.
The OL was younger and better then too, now fred is gone and the others are 3 years older.
that being said, dak probably will get the money he wants, and he will kick your ____ at life too, in fact pretty sure everyone here at cz.
Starting QB goes 27-21 despite a mediocre defense, mediocre special teams and mediocre coaching?

Yes, that is good.

So even when you cherry-pick, Dak still makes you look silly.
:laugh:
 

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Keep celebrating your 8-8 quarterback who chokes under pressure.
Garrett had good stats, too.
But the Cowboys suffered.

You are right they should not have paid Zack Martin or Tyron Smith or Amari and all the hype around Gallop is clearly misplaced he is just an 8-8 player.....
 

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This is the same argument Dak supporters are making for him, despite his failure to make the Cowboys better.
Still 8-8.
Thanx.

Wasn't sure your point either.

I do that **** all the time, post read..

ask myself " what the heck was I trying to say?"..

then edit.

I believe Garrett always said..

"Its a process".

One thing for sure..none of us will ever forget that clique.

:laugh:
 

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Keep celebrating your 8-8 quarterback who chokes under pressure.
Garrett had good stats, too.
But the Cowboys suffered.

I'm not a Dak supporter. Couldn't give a rodent's posterior if he was on the roster in 2020 or not. But a little perspective. I'm a big Romo fan. He reminded me a lot of Jim Kelly. How well did he do under Garrett and that coaching staff? Was Romo an average QB too?

I don't think Dak is better than Romo. But I am wondering how much is due to the coaching staff in place. I guess we're set to find out.
 

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Garrett supporters were like, "So what if we're 8-8? His offense is ranked 4th in the NFL in yards gained."
Dak supporters be like, "So what if he choked and can't perform under pressure? He still threw for 4900 yards."
 

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Jason Garrett no longer coaches here.

Best to move on...like most fans already have.

Might be best for those who bought into the "process" for over a decade or who claimed it "takes time to change the culture".
 

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Starting QB goes 27-21 despite a mediocre defense, mediocre special teams and mediocre coaching?

Yes, that is good.

So even when you cherry-pick, Dak still makes you look silly.
:laugh:
so you HAVE to accuse me of cherry picking, and that I am silly, then laugh at me????????/:huh:
I really dont get some of u people :omg:
I wasnt cherry picking the last 3 years is the last 3 years ! can u not handle the truth and reality?
and look at the last 2 years, it is still 9-7 avg !


And sure mediocre coaching hurt, but as parcels says you are what your record says u are, unless your Dak Prescott lol.
you could say with better coaching dak could have won 2 more games, but u can say that about most other qb's too.
And Dak should have been able to win 2 more just with his own play, but he didnt.
 

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During the 13 miserable years that we were forced to endure the incompetence of Jason Garrett, his supporters repeatedly pointed out the stats of the offense. Garrett's offenses would rack up big yards on passing plays, but because he ignored the run game, drives repeatedly stalled in the red zone when the field shortened and receivers couldn't get open.
We heard how much the players loved Garrett, and how they never quit on him. We heard time and time again how the players believed in him.
Yet every year ended in disappointment, and he wasted years of the fans lives and the careers of many stars. 8-8 was Garrett's record more often than not, yet we heard that we were trolls for demanding that he be fired.
We were even told that we should be happy with an 8-8 record.
Sound familiar?
The danger of this mentality continuing is real. Garrett 2.0 is in the house.
You mean Garrett didn’t coach the Cowboys to a Super Bowl? Wow, how come fans never heard about this before?

and no, people weren’t saying we should be happy at 8-8.
 

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This is the same argument Dak supporters are making for him, despite his failure to make the Cowboys better.
Still 8-8.
While I'm not a Dakophant, do you not see the flaw in your reasoning? If you're trying to blame Dak for the losses, talking about how bad the coach was doesn't seem like the best way to do it.
 

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Celebrate that Super Bowl trophy his stats earned.
We were 8-8, but his stats make it okay, right?
He threw the ball into the ground on 4th down, but his stats were good, right?

Well, the wins matter. And he's got a pretty damn good win record.

What matters to you?

Also, I think it's hilarious that now a Super Bowl is the one and only measurement of success. Dude's been in the league for 4 years and hasn't won a Super Bowl yet? Throw him to the curb!
 

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While I'm not a Dakophant, do you not see the flaw in your reasoning? If you're trying to blame Dak for the losses, talking about how bad the coach was doesn't seem like the best way to do it.
I think he was a bit too eager and missed that detail.
 
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