ESPN: Debunking the Dak contract debate

[Future]

But aren't some doing just that? He's not worth Rodgers or Wilson money is what some are positioning.

The most humorous part of this is not one poster here knows the overall effect on the cap of signing him. They hand wring that the team can't build around him, is that really an issue? They shop off off the rack for FA players, they're not players in the early going.

This is the biggest bunch of nothing that has dominated this forum, it isn't about the money. Either posters feel he can get the job done or he can't, who in the hell cares what they pay him?

I don't see any other options at this time so either do the 4 year deal, which is standard now, or back off and let him play on the tag and try again next off season.

He deserves more than both, because he's a comparable player, who is younger, and is signing after the cap rises with the cap expected to significantly rise again over the life of his contract.

The overall effect on the cap doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

If it isn't about the money, then why shouldn't they just give him $50m a year? It is absolutely about the money.

 

[cern]

i'm glad tua didn't fall to us. he's an accident looking for a place to happen.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

But wait, isn't that because of the team he's played on?

Yes! It's definitely the the 31st ranked offense in 2015 that he inherited that is the only reason he has succeeded.

 

[CouchCoach]

it's not a debate. it's a negotiation. a very tough one for both sides. but it'll get settled in the end.

It's only a debate here. I don't think it's tough at all, they knew what this was going to be the minute he signed with France. They're milking it for the coverage under the guise of getting as longer term deal. They knew every QB contract and extension has been a 4 year deal and this one was no different.

What has this brain trust done to make anyone believe they're looking down the road 4 years? Hell, they don't look ahead.

They are really not good at this. They think all eyes are on them and don't get the fact that all eyes are on Todd France. This isn't just about the money from this deal, this is what else this brings to CAA and France isn't about to go beyond the 4 years when all eyes are on him and he's dealing with the worst blinkers ion the NFL. This is how a pro conducts business, not a family.

 

[cern]

trust your eyes...………………...the great bill parcells.

 

[CouchCoach]

i'm glad tua didn't fall to us. he's an accident looking for a place to happen.

I agree, he's the biggest risk/reward player I've seen picked in a very long time.

When you get people trying to explain away the injuries or making them freak accidents, they're selling themselves. However, they're in a no lose situation and had to take him. Just like LAR and PHL had to take Goff and Wentz.

 

[kskboys]

out of curiosity wheres the insult? I see an anti-dak crew comment but how is that an insult because thats factual is it not? You dont want the cowboys to pay the QB his market value and thus you dont want him here correct? So essentially you would be anti Dak because he isnt going to sign for a discounted rate.

He didn't call out folks and say haters or any bad name i saw. What is your preference to be addressed because thread after thread the same names can be seen on both sides and they are definitely anti-Dak. Anti-Dak getting paid ant-Dak in terms of his value. Anti-Dak on where he ranks statistically.

C'mon, dude. If you can't see that insult, you have some major issues.

 

[kskboys]

Long, in-depth, fantastic read. Bill Barnwell’s articles are always extremely well-researched.

It’s full of facts and stats... which means the anti-Dak crew either won’t be smart enough to grasp it or they won’t have the integrity to give it an honest read.

For everyone else, enjoy!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ract-debate-facts-fiction-why-cowboys-pay-him

While he's not Mahomes, the preponderance of evidence suggests he's a top-10 quarterback and somewhere in the six-to-eight range. The idea that the Cowboys can just replace him with a cheaper option and get similar production is not supported by evidence or history.

Read the 2nd line. Read it several times if you truly don't see the cheap insult. Grade school crapp.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

The best thing about the article is that everything the like of Mammidog, LilWillie, Catch17 have been saying for the better part of four years has just been completely destroyed and they have been shown to be frauds.

They have nothing to lean on at this point. They've lost. It's over.

 

[CouchCoach]

He deserves more than both, because he's a comparable player, who is younger, and is signing after the cap rises with the cap expected to significantly rise again over the life of his contract.

The overall effect on the cap doesn't matter. It really doesn't.

If it isn't about the money, then why shouldn't they just give him $50m a year? It is absolutely about the money.

We'll just disagree on it being about the money. They won't give him 50M because they don't have to, these teams pay what they have to pay.

It is not about the money because what will be established as QB1 money in the top 10 by the time his 4 year deal expires. We can debate about where he falls in the ranking but he QB'd the #1 O and ranked 2nd in passing. I'd say his agent has all the push since this is a team that's all about the O and the show.

 

[cern]

It's only a debate here. I don't think it's tough at all, they knew what this was going to be the minute he signed with France. They're milking it for the coverage under the guise of getting as longer term deal. They knew every QB contract and extension has been a 4 year deal and this one was no different.

What has this brain trust done to make anyone believe they're looking down the road 4 years? Hell, they don't look ahead.

They are really not good at this. They think all eyes are on them and don't get the fact that all eyes are on Todd France. This isn't just about the money from this deal, this is what else this brings to CAA and France isn't about to go beyond the 4 years when all eyes are on him and he's dealing with the worst blinkers ion the NFL. This is how a pro conducts business, not a family.

france will get 3% of whatever deal he hammers out with Stephen. Stephen is a billionaire who only cares about doing what's best for the cowboys. both sides are strong negotiators (stephen, not jerry). in the Klingon home world the sons are guilty of the sins of the fathers. but not on real earth. stephen is vastly superior as a negotiator for player contracts than jerry. he also negotiated the at&t stadium name deal as well as a few others the incognoscenti think were done by jerry. the fact france negotiates deals for others and not himself strongly suggest to me he is not in the same league as Stephen. all france needs to know to do his job is that all teams highly value qb's, the salary of other qb's which is on record, and their deals which are also on record. then squawk polly want a cracker. pro my butt!!!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

PLEASE STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING AND PERSONAL INSULTS.

ALSO PLEASE STOP WITH THE JOCK SNIFFING, SLOBBERING, ON HIS JOCK OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF TALK OF THAT ILK.

THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY BOARD AND THAT STUFF IS NOT NEEDED.

DAK LOVER OR DAK HATER IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THOSE ON THE EXTREME SIDE OF THE DAK ISSUE AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

 

[CouchCoach]

france will get 3% of whatever deal he hammers out with Stephen. Stephen is a billionaire who only cares about doing what's best for the cowboys. both sides are strong negotiators (stephen, not jerry). in the Klingon home world the sons are guilty of the fathers. but not on real earth. stephen is vastly superior as a negotiator for player contracts than jerry. he also negotiated the at&t stadium name deal as well as a few others the incognoscenti think were done by jerry. the fact france negotiates deals for others and not himself strongly suggest to me he is not in the same league as Stephen. all france needs to know to do his job is that all teams highly value qb's, the salary of other qb's which is on record, and their deals which are also on record. then squawk polly want a cracker. pro my butt!!!

You love you some Stuphen and that's OK.

BTW, Stuphen had nothing to do with the ATT deal, that was the other son, that's his job as VP of Sales & Marketing. But, Booger had to sign off on the deal, as he does everyone of them. Booger Jr. was the point man on the ATT deal.

You just can't accept the fact that the old codger still runs the show. Tell me, what did you see last year during the draft when all eyes were on Booger, over a 3rd round pick, and it was obvious Stuphen wanted to take the trade? Did you see an old man that had acquiesced final decision making to his son?

 

[Jake]

"Dak is inaccurate. He misses open receivers."

Missing open receivers? It happens to everyone, but this isn't a realistic problem for Prescott. According to NFL's Next Gen Stats, he has had the sixth-lowest rate of open receivers across our 25-passer sample since 2016, meaning he has had fewer open targets to hit than Wentz (ninth) or Goff (19th). When he has had those open receivers, Prescott has completed 82.6% of his passes, which is seventh best in the league. He has completed those passes at a higher rate than Wentz (81.8%, 21st) or Goff (80.4%, 26th).

"Dak is inaccurate. He needs a guy to be wide open."

What about throwing into tight windows? Again, Prescott is above average. Wentz has thrown 19.6% of his passes into tight windows, the fifth-highest rate in the league. Prescott is behind him in eighth at 18.8%, while Goff is 24th at 14.7%. Throwing into a tight window isn't necessarily a virtue if it leads to an incompletion or an interception, but Prescott has completed 41.4% of his tight-window throws over the past four years, the second-best mark in the league behind Brees. Wentz (36.3%) is 12th, while Goff (32.0%) is 22nd.

"Dak isn't clutch. He can't come from behind."

Prescott has led eight fourth-quarter comeback victories and produced 14 game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime. He has done more in those situations than either Wentz (six comebacks, eight game-winning drives) or Goff (six comebacks, seven drives). Over the past four seasons, he is tied for fifth in the league in fourth-quarter comebacks and tied for third in game-winning drives.

It's obvious some of you only watch Cowboys games. You see every mistake and assume everyone else is better.

"Oh yeah, well he's won one playoff game."

Yep, and it doesn't take long to figure out why if you actually look at what happened in those games.

 

[CouchCoach]

Can anyone here explain why discussing the QB, it gets so agitating to some. This has been going on for years. You posters that go to other boards, does this go on there like it does here?

Is there something inherent in Cowboys fans that they can't act civil toward each other cuz this happened on the old DC.com site to the point they had to create a sub forum for Romo.

I don't give a damn if you're a Dakater or Dakster, you've formed an opinion and I respect that and so should everyone else.

 

[glimmerman]

That's why this saga has been played out. See any other teams, in any sport, pulling this stunt just to get coverage?

Everything this clown does has to be played out in the media.

How much would you bet that the signing is a big deal and is done on his yacht. Remember the TO signing and all the bowls of popcorn. Lol. He is a salesman. And he makes a lot of money doing it. Good for him but also good for us. Get this whole thing settled and get back to playing football. That’s why we got MM.

 

[SackMaster]

I’m not following the argument...

What does bringing up Garrett’s record as a coach playing with backup QBs have to do with Dak playing against good defenses?

Also, if Garrett is being assigned blame then logically he should be assigned credit for Dak’s supposed stellar individual “QB W/L record.”

I am no fan of Garrett, but we can’t heap praise on Dak and point to his supposed “QB W/L record“ and ignore Garrett, but then turn around and blame Garrett when Dak struggles and the team loses.

The blame and the credit being assigned is disproportionate.

Hey, just pointing out the only thing the Cowboys have been consistent at under the previous coach's tenure was being inconsistent.

It does not matter who was the QB, the RB, the WR, the rest of the offense and the rest of the defense was, the Cowboys would play like the best team in the league at least once in almost every year, but also had at least one of those *** games every year as well.

Maybe Dak does not get any better under MM. Maybe he improves significantly, maybe he gets worse. I don't know.

But what I do know that the same problems that the Cowboys had in big games with Dak, they had those same problems well before Dak.

That does not invalidate the criticism Dak is dealing with now, just like what Romo faced in his time. Again, just pointing out the common component between the two QBs. It's clear that both of the other two QBs he is compared to here had Super Bowl quality coaching which is indisputable since both teams made it to the Super Bowl with one QB being a complete non-factor and it is debatable if the other was a non-factor as well.

If that means to you that I am praising Dak, then I am unlikely, and really don't care to, change your opinion. But my pointing out a flaw in one aspect of the previous regime does not equal to me praising the other.

 

[cern]

You love you some Stuphen and that's OK.

BTW, Stuphen had nothing to do with the ATT deal, that was the other son, that's his job as VP of Sales & Marketing. But, Booger had to sign off on the deal, as he does everyone of them. Booger Jr. was the point man on the ATT deal.

You just can't accept the fact that the old codger still runs the show. Tell me, what did you see last year during the draft when all eyes were on Booger, over a 3rd round pick, and it was obvious Stuphen wanted to take the trade? Did you see an old man that had acquiesced final decision making to his son?

no. it was Stephen who is also executive vice president and chief operating officer of the club in addition to his duties as head of player development. and yes, I respect and admire highly competent individuals. I saw the incident you described and what I saw was a meeting of the minds between jerry and Stephen.

 

[cern]

How much would you bet that the signing is a big deal and is done on his yacht. Remember the TO signing and all the bowls of popcorn. Lol. He is a salesman. And he makes a lot of money doing it. Good for him but also good for us. Get this whole thing settled and get back to playing football. That’s why we got MM.

i'd be willing to bet the deal, once it's agreed upon, will be signed in jerry's office at the star.

 

[CouchCoach]

How much would you bet that the signing is a big deal and is done on his yacht. Remember the TO signing and all the bowls of popcorn. Lol. He is a salesman. And he makes a lot of money doing it. Good for him but also good for us. Get this whole thing settled and get back to playing football. That’s why we got MM.

He fashions himself as PT Booger and he's done a hell of a lot better at that than being a NFL GM.

Anyone who thinks they're not going to rollover on this deal is just in denial. There is a template for being a star player and dealing with the Joneses. Part of that is the play in the media that the agent knows he's got to let them play out and hold his ground at the level he and his player established. There isn't a star player that hasn't gotten what he wanted going back to Emmitt.

I don't even think they think they'll get anything but the 4 year deal but this is the only way to get the media coverage. I hear they're even talking about Dak's contract on the cooking shows and animal channels.

I was at CVS and asked the guy checking me out what he thought about Dak's contract and he said he didn't know what I was talking about. I slapped him and told him he better have an opinion when I return. The nerve of some people.