ESPN: Debunking the Dak contract debate

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no. it was Stephen who is also executive vice president and chief operating officer of the club in addition to his duties as head of player development. and yes, I respect and admire highly competent individuals. I saw the incident you described and what I saw was a meeting of the minds between jerry and Stephen.
We see what we want to see.

And you are mistaken, the flagship station at the time said Booger Jr. was the point man on the naming rights as that fell into his department as it would any company, that is a function of marketing. However, as is usually the case, Booger was present and the one signing the contract when the deal was complete. It is a family run business but the patriarch keeps his hands on the leash.
 

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Long, in-depth, fantastic read. Bill Barnwell’s articles are always extremely well-researched.

It’s full of facts and stats... which means the anti-Dak crew either won’t be smart enough to grasp it or they won’t have the integrity to give it an honest read.

For everyone else, enjoy!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ract-debate-facts-fiction-why-cowboys-pay-him

While he's not Mahomes, the preponderance of evidence suggests he's a top-10 quarterback and somewhere in the six-to-eight range. The idea that the Cowboys can just replace him with a cheaper option and get similar production is not supported by evidence or history.


So should Dak get:

1) Next man up - top contract more than Wilson ,or
2) Paid per his ability (between 6-8 in QB)?
 

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So should Dak get:

1) Next man up - top contract more than Wilson ,or
2) Paid per his ability (between 6-8 in QB)?
You should read the article if you’re still confused by how markets work.

It covers that for you as well.
 

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He fashions himself as PT Booger and he's done a hell of a lot better at that than being a NFL GM.

Anyone who thinks they're not going to rollover on this deal is just in denial. There is a template for being a star player and dealing with the Joneses. Part of that is the play in the media that the agent knows he's got to let them play out and hold his ground at the level he and his player established. There isn't a star player that hasn't gotten what he wanted going back to Emmitt.

I don't even think they think they'll get anything but the 4 year deal but this is the only way to get the media coverage. I hear they're even talking about Dak's contract on the cooking shows and animal channels.

I was at CVS and asked the guy checking me out what he thought about Dak's contract and he said he didn't know what I was talking about. I slapped him and told him he better have an opinion when I return. The nerve of some people.
Oh the CVS guy knew. He is just a giants fan and didn’t want to talk about it because they got stuck with JG. Now that Dak don’t have to play catch with his HC maybe he can have more time to learn stuff and improve.
 

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The article largely uses Wentz and Goff as a baseline. It points out that Dak is better than them and that they got deals worth $30m+. I don't disagree with any of that.

So, does anyone here think that Philly or LA is going to win big having given out those contracts? If not, why would anyone use them as a baseline if the goal is Dallas team success? I mean, sure, I get it. If you are an Eagles fan trolling the Cowboys board it doesn't matter. Eagles fans are probably hoping Dallas gives Dak $40m per year or more. But if you are truly a Cowboys fan, shouldn't this bother you?
exactly !
The whole stats thing is a bunch of crapola also, or what wentz or wilson or goff got is also crapola.

I have seen every game Dak has played as a cowboy. All I have seen twice, many 3 or more times, so I dont need any stats to tell me
how good or bad dak is!


Over Paying your qb because other teams over paid theirs is not logical, or good business.

Comparing dak to other qb's is pointless and silly.

Bottom line is Do the cowboys have to have dak to win a sb in next 2-5 years?? answer no they dont.
Can they win a SB with another qb and a much better defense?? answer yes they can.

So why not make the defense much better with that money, and roll with another qb.

And the other option is force or let dak play on the tag, and see if he can win a SB, nothing less will do.
Top pay top results expected. or at very least , get there and play well.

@Nav22 lol no I did not read the article, it is also pointless and silly.
Anyone who has seen dak play all 64 games as a cowboy can make up their own mind about him.
 

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I can't name 6-8 QBs that have put up the numbers Dak has while also not having hit their prime yet. Can you?
Because he hasn’t hit his ceiling yet. Not sure where it is but he can still improve. And it helps his numbers by having a great team around him..
 

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exactly !
The whole stats thing is a bunch of crapola also, or what wentz or wilson or goff got is also crapola.

I have seen every game Dak has played as a cowboy. All I have seen twice, many 3 or more times, so I dont need any stats to tell me
how good or bad dak is!


Over Paying your qb because other teams over paid theirs is not logical, or good business.

Comparing dak to other qb's is pointless and silly.

Bottom line is Do the cowboys have to have dak to win a sb in next 2-5 years?? answer no they dont.
Can they win a SB with another qb and a much better defense?? answer yes they can.

So why not make the defense much better with that money, and roll with another qb.

And the other option is force or let dak play on the tag, and see if he can win a SB, nothing less will do.
Top pay top results expected. or at very least , get there and play well.

@Nav22 lol no I did not read the article, it is also pointless and silly.
Anyone who has seen dak play all 64 games as a cowboy can make up their own mind about him.
Par for the course.

From the OP...

It’s full of facts and stats... which means the anti-Dak crew either won’t be smart enough to grasp it or they won’t have the integrity to give it an honest read.
 

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All this discussion about the market for Dak too.

we should take this into account:


The cowboys CHOSE to use the exclusive franchise tag.

Meaning they didn’t even want to expose Dak to being able to negotiate with other teams for the possibility of 2 first round picks.

To be honest I didn’t really agree with that decision and thought they should use the non exclusive tag.

But we shouldn’t ignore the fact that the cowboys FO made that choice. That choice is very telling.

LOL yeah it tells us how stupid the jones boys are !:muttley:
Like you say, they should have used the other tag, other teams are not interested in dak, for 35 mil.
but the jones boys are so cheap and stupid, they thought it would mean they would have to bid for dak and that it might go higher
than what they thought they could get him for.
At that time they were still thinking 35 mil a year would do the trick.
They may be wishing they had used the other tag about right now.

In the jones boys little brains, they think dak is as good as troy Aikman and better than Romo.:omg:
They also thought garrett was the new landry and he would be head coach for 50 years and win 25 SB's.:lmao:
 

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but a year from now, his contract will be in the 5-10 range.....you are not thinking ahead...you are only thinking now.
While that is probably true, I think that fact is relied on too heavily in justifying bad contracts. Just because a contract will be “less bad” over time doesn’t make it a good signing in the moment.

And that’s coming from someone who would like to see us get Dak signed longer term.
 

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Long, in-depth, fantastic read. Bill Barnwell’s articles are always extremely well-researched.

It’s full of facts and stats... which means the anti-Dak crew either won’t be smart enough to grasp it or they won’t have the integrity to give it an honest read.

For everyone else, enjoy!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ract-debate-facts-fiction-why-cowboys-pay-him

While he's not Mahomes, the preponderance of evidence suggests he's a top-10 quarterback and somewhere in the six-to-eight range. The idea that the Cowboys can just replace him with a cheaper option and get similar production is not supported by evidence or history.
There, I bolded it just for you.

Starting a thread off w/ a cheap shot is cheap.
 

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The best thing about the article is that everything the like of Mammidog, LilWillie, Catch17 have been saying for the better part of four years has just been completely destroyed and they have been shown to be frauds.

They have nothing to lean on at this point. They've lost. It's over.
Why dont you @ me next time like a man?

And you havent destroyed anything but your pathetic reputation at this point :muttley:
 

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We see what we want to see.

And you are mistaken, the flagship station at the time said Booger Jr. was the point man on the naming rights as that fell into his department as it would any company, that is a function of marketing. However, as is usually the case, Booger was present and the one signing the contract when the deal was complete. It is a family run business but the patriarch keeps his hands on the leash.
Stephen got the ball rolling. The ticket and 105.3 the fan are to be tsken with a grain of salt.
 

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Par for the course.

From the OP...

It’s full of facts and stats... which means the anti-Dak crew either won’t be smart enough to grasp it or they won’t have the integrity to give it an honest read.
ok nav let me ask you this, do you think the guy that wrote that has seen all 64 dallas / dak games more than 1 time??
Did he say he was a cowboy fan and watches all thier games?

Or is he just some guy who looks at some stats and other qbs contracts etc, then writes an article because that is what he is paid to do?

Having seen dak play all the games more than once gives me all the info I need to make up my mind about dak and what he is and is worth.
 

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explain then because I dont see it as insulting. Anti-dak is not insulting if your anti-dak. Own it!
I copied and bolded it for you. Manalive, if you can't see it now, that is beyond sad.
 

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We'll just disagree on it being about the money. They won't give him 50M because they don't have to, these teams pay what they have to pay.

It is not about the money because what will be established as QB1 money in the top 10 by the time his 4 year deal expires. We can debate about where he falls in the ranking but he QB'd the #1 O and ranked 2nd in passing. I'd say his agent has all the push since this is a team that's all about the O and the show.
How can his NOT be about the money? Seriously? Are you really taking that position?

And “years” is also about the money. Maybe not today’s money, but its still about money.
 
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