Tyreek Hill > CD Lamb speed kills

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You don’t find a Tyreek Hill just because you draft a fast player. He is the only guy like him in the NFL today.
Apples and Oranges...CeeDee Lamb will hopefully be as good as Cobb in his prime, maybe better.
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
there is a lot of players with speed....you need receiving ability...Williams had 4.3 speed. zero hands. zero route running ability. he sucked. we had a guy who ran a 4.19, can't recall his name. but his only game was straight ahead go route.....Hill has speed. but he is also a good WR, with good route running and good hands...that's the killer combination....
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it was Randal Williams and he's said to have ran a 4.04.
 
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MCMetal69 said:
Jerry Rice
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Larry Fitzgerald
Marvin Harrison
Calvin Johnson
Michael Irvin
Julio Jones
Andre Johnson
Cris Carter

All ten of the players above I consider to be better than Hill , and only 1 of them , Moss , had fearsome downfield speed........
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Yes speed is nice to have, but obviously not needed to be an elite receiver. Work ethic, run great routes, have great hands, and adequate speed seems to get it done.
 
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jterrell said:
Mahomes would throw for 5000 yards with any of those guys as his WR1.
Part of the reason he clicks so well with Hill is Tech ran a lot of smaller, quicker WRs through like Jakeem Grant.
Grant caught 90 passes for ~1300 yards and 10 TDs in Pats first full season as a starter.
Pat looks for the big play and those quick and fast guys can really make that happen.

CeeDee had great stats at OU but if he had played with Pat good grief, lights out.
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- Lamb played in Riley- Sooners' wide open scheme that so well designed to break free receivers often that opposing teams were afraid to bump n run press their receivers - they always seem to give cushion off line coverage to Sooners receivers- that's one area that it will be interested to see how Lamb adjusts to a more physical press at the NFL level.

- It helps that Mahommes constantly coming at defenses with a hurry pace, moving formations and persistent downfield strikes, and the point that he is always improvising and scrambling to buy more time to survey the field for open receivers, many times it develops into big splash plays that seem to be a constant in this Andy Reid offense.

-Tyrek Hill who i just don't see press jammed often throughout a game unless it's red zone-goal line spots, often gets a free release and he can really jet it upfield or across the field leaving
And it's the Defenses that normally depend so heavily upon man coverage but forced to go zone that i find funny in how they panic so.

- i recall some experts saying NFL defenses will eventually catch up to Mahommes style of play, but i really don't see it happening. In fact if they ever add a fire spark sprint draw stop/re-start RB (1st rd pick Clyde Edwards?) who is equally dangerous in the pass game, that is only gonna add more panic to opposing defenses - and imagine if Hill gets a really fierce Tyler Lockett type guy on the opposite side - that's even more and more frightening.
Sammie Walkins can be solid at times and has some considerable skill set, but he also comes too up and down too often, imo

- Should super speedster Mecole Hardman begin to become more into his own as a Tyler Lockett 2.0, that could be a Clayton/Duper duo to be that much more feared. At this point Hardman seems to be more of a spot role guy .
 
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Dak_Attack_09 said:
I’ll take a WR like Tyreek Hill over CD Lamb, Gallup , Hopkins 24/7.

You can’t cover or teach elite speed.

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And don't forget about his ability to beat his pregnant girlfriend and son. All around talent.
 
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Well dallas could use a speedy guy like hill, but finding one isnt easy.
like some said hill can catch good and run tough, and get open.
 
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Maxmadden said:
So you are convinced that you can derail this thread into something else.

Good to know.
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Someone mentioned that we had Tavon Austin on the roster last year.
The poster compared him to Tyreek Hill. Essentially called him a clone
of Hill. Well, the coaches had a "Tyreek Hill" on the roster and did nothing
with him.

So, yeah, if that's the case, it strongly (and correctly, to some) suggests
the previous coaching staff wouldn't know what to do with a talent like that.

It's a football message board, dude. Try not to be so serious and offended.
Make friends, not enemies.
 
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quickccc said:
- Lamb played in Riley- Sooners' wide open scheme that so well designed to break free receivers often that opposing teams were afraid to bump n run press their receivers - they always seem to give cushion off line coverage to Sooners receivers- that's one area that it will be interested to see how Lamb adjusts to a more physical press at the NFL level.

- It helps that Mahommes constantly coming at defenses with a hurry pace, moving formations and persistent downfield strikes, and the point that he is always improvising and scrambling to buy more time to survey the field for open receivers, many times it develops into big splash plays that seem to be a constant in this Andy Reid offense.

-Tyrek Hill who i just don't see press jammed often throughout a game unless it's red zone-goal line spots, often gets a free release and he can really jet it upfield or across the field leaving
And it's the Defenses that normally depend so heavily upon man coverage but forced to go zone that i find funny in how they panic so.

- i recall some experts saying NFL defenses will eventually catch up to Mahommes style of play, but i really don't see it happening. In fact if they ever add a fire spark sprint draw stop/re-start RB (1st rd pick Clyde Edwards?) who is equally dangerous in the pass game, that is only gonna add more panic to opposing defenses - and imagine if Hill gets a really fierce Tyler Lockett type guy on the opposite side - that's even more and more frightening.
Sammie Walkins can be solid at times and has some considerable skill set, but he also comes too up and down too often, imo

- Should super speedster Mecole Hardman begin to become more into his own as a Tyler Lockett 2.0, that could be a Clayton/Duper duo to be that much more feared. At this point Hardman seems to be more of a spot role guy .
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As for the league "catching up to Mahomes' style of play", it's hard to plan for improvisation.
 
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I don't understand the premise of this thread. It isn't as if Dallas passed on Hill in this draft to get Lamb. They didn't even pass on a wide receiver with similar skills as Hill in order to draft Lamb. In the history of the NFL, great wide receivers have come in different shapes, sizes and talents. There is no one way to be a great player. We don't know what Lamb is because he hasn't even played a down. Honestly, we don't know what Hill is, either. He is off to a good start in his career, but still has only been playing 4 seasons. That isn't a career yet. Let him go out and earn a few more years and build upon what he brings to the table. Hopkins has played 8 seasons and played extremely well. He is having a great career. I'd take Hopkins over Hill because he has proven more.
 

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WR skills in order of importance:
1. Ability to catch the ball - This is far and away number one. Its not just hit you in the hands and catch it. Its being able to go up and win a 50/50 ball, shield off a defender, get something off the ground, etc.
2. Ability to change direction quickly - If you can change direction faster than the guy covering you, you can get separation. Most routes are timed to the point where the ball should be coming shortly after a receiver makes his move. How open a guy is is dependent on this break. Its not just agility. Its setting up the defender, some physicality, footwork, etc.
3. Speed - Obviously a guy who is slow as hell is going to get closed on after he breaks pretty quick and will have a man on him close right from the line. That said, a "slow" NFL receiver does a 4.6 40. Over a long run, the difference between the fastest WR's and an average NFL WR is only going to be a few yards. If a fast guy can't break well or catch well, opposing teams can just give him a cushion and then close on him and take the ball away. That's why speedsters like Alexander Wright (remember him?) frequently fail.

Overall, I just strongly disagree with the OP. The guys who really scare opposing defenses are the people elite at 1 and 2. People act like Nate Newton is out there at WR for these guys without 4.3 speed. Its just not reality.
 
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