QB Solution - Stafford

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Staffords time in Detroit is probably coming to an end. There were some rumblings his time there was over earlier this off-season. I think due to cap implications the team decided to hang onto him for another season.

Obviously I'm speculating, but I think 2020 is Staffords last year in Detroit. Matt is a Texas kid and I think the perfect solution for both sides is for Stafford to take over the qb job here in Dallas. This offensive line, these weapons, MM has to know him really well, I think the fit is really really good. This team is in win now mode and you are getting a super talented qb who has experience. What do you guys think?

I could get behind this if he's got anything left in the tank at the time of the deal. Always liked him.
 

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The salary cap is Jones' business, not the players, not ours. If they didn't want Dak, they could've easily allowed him to go to free agency.
 

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Even so, posters do it all the time. With Dak, for example, some use it against Dak that “he” only went 8-8 last year, and others discount Dak’s contribution to the 13-3 season by saying record is a team thing.

I personally think record isn’t entirely irrelevant because the QB is the player that has the most opportunity to affect the outcome of games, but for the most part it’s the entirety of the team that determines wins and losses.

Dan Marino went 8-8 three times, 5-6 once, and 7-6 once. The win/loss stat should never apply to a qb unless he plays both sides of the ball.
 

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We didn’t have such talent but you need protection and a running game to be able to get the passing game going . Dak had all that , plus an elite WR Corp which Jerry had to spend a 1st rounder ( Cooper ) on to help dak . Stanford had much much less to work with overall . You cannot compare the talent . Sak had a dream support cast offensively . He couldn’t capitalize it into wins . Whenever the running game stalled , he folded .
Again. Dak had a winning percentage close to 50 percent against winning teams prior to last season. When the team quit on their coach. And Let’s not pretend that stafford hasn’t had great receiving corps. Golliday Jones Tate is pretty damn good. Stafford also has 0 playoff wins. And a horrible record against winning teams which is what you’re bashing Dak for.
 

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Dak, if one wants to attribute the wins to him.hasn’t brought a team back from double digits, 10 and 14 points, since 2016. Those wins were against the awful Eagles (7-9) and the 49ers (2-12). He has only two wins on Dallas top 50 comeback list and it is these 2.

How is a guy considered clutch if this is the reality? When Dak threw at least 40 times last season, Dallas was 1-7 and they were winless when down at half-time. Dak has never won with his arm in reality.

As a game manager, in 2016, when the RG imposed it’s will for four quarters, wearing the defense down and Dak played careful, and Beasley wasn’t being doubled, then he could check-down his way to get in FG range to win the game. Even the Vikings win in 2016, he threw for 139 yards only and the TD he threw was when Thielen fumbled the punt and Wilber recovered and ran the ball to the Vikings 8. And on the FG winning drive, it was basically a botched 33 yard punt by the Vikings and Zeke on first ran the ball back 30 yards into the 20s, meaning FG territory and the FG put them ahead. Dak basically fumbled on a third and 1 on the last series that Zeke recovered in Dallas own territory.

That is considered one of his fourth quarter wins. That’s what one calls a bus driver.

This not beating winning teams Isn’t new and went back to his Senior Year in college. MS didn’t beat a ranked team and in all those losses, Dak’s stats were essentially stat-passing in the 4th quarter when the games were over. That’s the year he exceeded all his passing attempts by far, just like last year. He threw 3793 yards that year, 477 attempts, 81 more attempts than the previous season , 29 TDs and 5 INT, but it was nothing but stat padding against ranked teams when he played them. They were soundly beaten across the board.
 
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Again. Dak had a winning percentage close to 50 percent against winning teams prior to last season. When the team quit on their coach. And Let’s not pretend that stafford hasn’t had great receiving corps. Golliday Jones Tate is pretty damn good. Stafford also has 0 playoff wins. And a horrible record against winning teams which is what you’re bashing Dak for.
Dak has many other failings other than his 1-6 record vs winning teams Last year , which should have been his best year result wise , but wasn’t . He is declining on the field as many teams deployed pressing defenses Against him very effectively. His accuracy was exposed many times .
Bottom line , you are betting that he is elite and can take the cowboys to the Super Bowl . He is not elite , nor do I think he can read defenses well . Plus , he wants to bankrupt the team with his salary demands . All this should make any cowboy fan question how worthy is he ...??
 

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Staffords time in Detroit is probably coming to an end. There were some rumblings his time there was over earlier this off-season. I think due to cap implications the team decided to hang onto him for another season.

Obviously I'm speculating, but I think 2020 is Staffords last year in Detroit. Matt is a Texas kid and I think the perfect solution for both sides is for Stafford to take over the qb job here in Dallas. This offensive line, these weapons, MM has to know him really well, I think the fit is really really good. This team is in win now mode and you are getting a super talented qb who has experience. What do you guys think?

I "think" the Cowboys will Franchise Dak again in 2021 if they don't reach an agreement for a new contract.
 

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Dak has many other failings other than his 1-6 record vs winning teams Last year , which should have been his best year result wise , but wasn’t . He is declining on the field as many teams deployed pressing defenses Against him very effectively. His accuracy was exposed many times .
Bottom line , you are betting that he is elite and can take the cowboys to the Super Bowl . He is not elite , nor do I think he can read defenses well . Plus , he wants to bankrupt the team with his salary demands . All this should make any cowboy fan question how worthy is he ...??
So his 1-6 record right? What about his 40-24 record as a starter? Or is it only a Quarterback stat when it backs up your claims?
 

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Out of his 64 games, there would need to break down of wins against winning teams and against below 500 teams but I see what some are doing with the 1-6 record against winning teams this past season.
 

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I "think" the Cowboys will Franchise Dak again in 2021 if they don't reach an agreement for a new contract.

Definitely possible. But there are some other factors that may be involved. If the cap stays put or drops? That makes it very hard to do.
 

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This is the guy people say has been playing underpaid for FOUR YEARS.

https://www.espn.com/blog/dallas/co...-shows-just-how-special-his-rookie-season-was

Prescott's four interceptions last year were a team and NFL rookie record for a quarterback with 16 starts. Justin Coleman's 30-yard interception return for a touchdown during the third quarter Sunday was the fourth pick of Prescott to be returned for a score this season.

He was intercepted later in the quarter when a pass that was behind Dez Bryant was tipped into the hands of linebacker K.J. Wright. It was the fifth multi-interception game of the season for Prescott. He had just one multi-interception game last year....

Prescott's 13 interceptions are tied for sixth most in the NFL. He has also lost three fumbles on the season, including one that was returned for a touchdown. On Sunday he became the first Cowboys' quarterback to open his first two seasons with consecutive 3,000-yard passing seasons, but it was also the seventh time he failed to throw for at least 200 yards on the season. He had just three games that he started and finished as a rookie in which he did not throw for 200 yards.



Returning to this disappointing, playoff-less season, Prescott has thrown nine interceptions over the last six games, which just about coincides with the start of running back Ezekiel Elliott's six-game suspension by the NFL.

Dan Mullen, Prescott's college coach, predicted last season that Prescott's interception number would increase in his career as he became more comfortable taking more chances. That hasn't necessarily played out.

Instead, Prescott admitted to pressing at times without Elliott and the need to make something happen. Some of the picks were deflections and not completely his fault. Some were bad throws.
 
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I especially love how they blamed him forcing the ball to Dez as the reason for his lack of success, so they came with the Dak-friendly offense in year 3. And yet here we are, saying Dak played underpaid for four years. Then they had to go get Cooper, after drafting Gallup and now they’ve went ahead and gotten Cee Dee Lamb.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...at-Dak-friendly-offense-looks-like-114783670/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...the-league-necessarily-needs-a-no-1-receiver/

https://insidethestar.com/cowboys-qb-dak-prescott-embraces-lack-of-no-1-wide-receiver/

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/dak-prescott-not-force-passes-dez-bryant/322730
 

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Very much like Stafford. But dont think we wont have to pay top dollar for him.

Any ranking I have seen, including mine has Dak in front of Stafford.

I don't have Dak ahead of Stafford because I think Stafford has considerably more arm talent and neither QB has shown capability to lead their teams deep into playoffs.
 

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I especially love how they blamed him forcing the ball to Dez as the reason for his lack of success, so they came with the Dak-friendly offense in year 3. And yet here we are, saying Dak played underpaid for four years. Then they had to go get Cooper, after drafting Gallup and now they’ve went ahead and gotten Cee Dee Lamb.

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-co...at-Dak-friendly-offense-looks-like-114783670/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...the-league-necessarily-needs-a-no-1-receiver/

https://insidethestar.com/cowboys-qb-dak-prescott-embraces-lack-of-no-1-wide-receiver/

https://larrybrownsports.com/football/dak-prescott-not-force-passes-dez-bryant/322730

I have serious fears for our defense this year as all our cap has gone into supporting Mr.Needs to be carried Prescott!
No formidable replacement at RDE and CB and our LB are 1 injury away from average.
Pampered Dak but in reality the Cowboy anti-christ 666.....
Stafford would be a major upgrade.
 
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Staffords time in Detroit is probably coming to an end. There were some rumblings his time there was over earlier this off-season. I think due to cap implications the team decided to hang onto him for another season.

Obviously I'm speculating, but I think 2020 is Staffords last year in Detroit. Matt is a Texas kid and I think the perfect solution for both sides is for Stafford to take over the qb job here in Dallas. This offensive line, these weapons, MM has to know him really well, I think the fit is really really good. This team is in win now mode and you are getting a super talented qb who has experience. What do you guys think?


I agree..
 

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Stafford would serve as a bridge player til we develop our COLLEGE guy. I would be on board with that. Its Daks fault we are even having this discussion. He created this uncertainty. JERRY wont likely bend.
 

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Stafford has about 2 great years left in him. Barring injury. So he would be a short term fix. On a 1 year deal in 2021, I would do that.
 

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Staffords time in Detroit is probably coming to an end. There were some rumblings his time there was over earlier this off-season. I think due to cap implications the team decided to hang onto him for another season.

Obviously I'm speculating, but I think 2020 is Staffords last year in Detroit. Matt is a Texas kid and I think the perfect solution for both sides is for Stafford to take over the qb job here in Dallas. This offensive line, these weapons, MM has to know him really well, I think the fit is really really good. This team is in win now mode and you are getting a super talented qb who has experience. What do you guys think?


I actually like this, if Dak has a great season he's gonna want 40 mil. He's good, but he's not worth destroying the cap. I honestly think Stafford is underrated.
 
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