Wasn’t Brady worth it at 22-25 mil

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Very true . Jerry never realized Dak was taking him into a long and futile ride . Grabbing Brady would have given Jerry a much better chance to get to the SB . Don’t see it with Dak .

LOL. You are delusional with your Dak hate. Dak does everything better than 42 year old past his prime Brady.
 

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I am of the opinion that Brady had zero desire to sign here because he disliked the team since he was a child and that was that.
He was in a position to nearly choose his destination and he didn't even contact the Cowboys, who were and are in the middle of some real QB uncertainty.

I could be very wrong, but that's my gut talking, bud.

I'm enjoying your tet-a-tet's throughout this thread though!

In my opinion? The GOAT had just one suitor -the team he signed with.

It’s possible that, like many fans, the league thinks he’s physically done.
 

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Brady lost two starters on the o-line, an all pro and likely HOF TE, and #1 WR before game 1.

How does Dak handle that adversity?
Exactly , Dak had so much more , but couldn’t make a difference.
 

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Certainly going to be interesting to watch.

It will be. I have my questions about a QB with his strengths and weaknesses in a Bruce Arians type offense. And that offensive line and running back.
 

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This is really a question about how to build a SB winning roster. The patriots have nearly always had more talent on defense than offense. Brady had little talent and still found ways to score while a dominant defense kept them in the game. We have built in the exact opposite way then the SB winning patriots.
 

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I believe what I really want is the 2019 Patriots defense - they allowed only 20 TDs in 16 games. They also intercepted 25 passes, most in the NFL.

The Cowboys defense allowed 35 TDs and intercepted 7 passes, last in the NFL. Slight difference.

The Patriots held 11 opponents to 14 or fewer points last season. They went 11-0 in those games. They went 1-5 in the rest of their games.

Brady's days of carrying a team on his back are over. He's 43 years old.
Dak cannot read defenses or manage games when the running game stalls . Dak has accuracy issues as well . Given all that ,and I would take a 15 mil cheaper Brady anyway over a self entitled Dak who has done nothing with the best OL/WR and RB talent .
 

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No he was not , Brady had less weapons and still outplayed Dak head to head and record wise .
If you look at the stats, both were pretty bad. Dak had a much better completion % and more yards, but Brady had one TD pass to none for Dak.

It was just an ugly game in ugly weather.
 

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This is really a question about how to build a SB winning roster. The patriots have nearly always had more talent on defense than offense. Brady had little talent and still found ways to score while a dominant defense kept them in the game. We have built in the exact opposite way then the SB winning patriots.
Dominant D's, one of the best coaches of all time and good special teams.
Wouldn't that be nice for the Dallas Daks to have?
 

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Dak cannot read defenses or manage games when the running game stalls . Dak has accuracy issues as well . Given all that ,and I would take a 15 mil cheaper Brady anyway over a self entitled Dak who has done nothing with the best OL/WR and RB talent .

LOL. How'd Aikman do with no running game?

Here's Aikmans accuracy issues: 61.5% career completions. 141 int's.
 

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Okay... I get it:
This is a thread where some guy, or guys think football is all about the offense and not much else.

I'm probably going to bow my way out of this one because it's looking stupid.
 

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From a cutthroat business perspective? The smartest thing the Cowboys could have done would have been to tag and trade Prescott and sign Brady for that two year $50 million contract. You would then have two years or more to find and develop that young quarterback and have them learn under the GOAT.

And this is coming from someone who is a fan of Prescott's work.

It was definitely a missed opportunity, but the Joneses get attached to their players and don't even consider such things.

The crux of the failure was not doing their due diligence on *all* of their options at QB. There are things that Jerry brings to the table that other teams don't that Dak could *lose*, but Jerry made it clear that there was no threat of that happening. Simply as a negotiating tactic, the "No option but Dak" stance left Dak secure that moving on from him wasn't an option, so that his only negotiating stance was "gimme more".

Beyond the negotiating tactic, there were obvious *credible* opportunities like Brady available. Rivers was an option too.

Don't know if Brees was locked into the Saints, but if not, he would have been the best option available. His QB rating was 115+ for the last 2 years, best in his career. He's not slowing down, he's speeding up. Likely a cyborg. Or gene therapy. He's clearly more than human.

As team management, I've been against the franchise QB for a while. I think they're overpriced. The supply of quality QBs has grown with more passing in college, and top pros seeming to last forever. Supply is up for starting QBs, still only demand of 32 spots. Supply up, demand fixed should drive the price down, but instead the price is skyrocketing *up*. It's a bubble. One that may be just about to break. Don't buy into the bubble. Such a huge advantage to play with a QB on the cheap.
  1. Spend real resources to find young QBs.
  2. Sign quality vets on the back end of their careers when you don't have one.
  3. Trade your franchise QB to other teams while you still can.
There was a chance to do that this year, and with McCarthy supposedly being the QB Whisperer, we now have a top HC to work a strategy of developing young QBs.

Having said that, the lack of offseason/preseason work this year makes transitioning to a new QB less likely to succeed than usual. Really sucks for us with a *great* draft class and what should have been *extra* time for us to develop them and the team in the offseason because we have a new HC.
 

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LOL. You are delusional with your Dak hate. Dak does everything better than 42 year old past his prime Brady.
And if Brady is truly going to run the downfield Arians passing attack, he won't make it to midseason.
 

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Brady has been on the wrong side of the age limit for quarterbacks for years now, and it really showed last year. You have to question what he has left. Of course, you also have to question the weapons Brady had last year.

I would not have been opposed to Dallas going this route, but with the realization that Dallas would have to find itself a franchise QB in the next couple of years while potentially letting one go to another team. If the gambit didn't pay off (Brady is finished while Dak goes on to star), it would be panned for years if Dallas was unable to find another franchise QB.

This is coming from a fan who wants to see how Dak plays under McCarthy before either giving him a long-term deal (which I think is most likely) or searching for his replacement. It would be a questionable move to replace a young starter with an old vet who may have nothing left to give.
Good points , but don’t forget
1- we are back looking for a QB now after the Dak contract saga
2- with 15 mil less , the cowboys would have had cap money to improve the Defense .
3- Brady is a proven defense reader . With that OL , the potential is massive . With Dak , well , know what we have ( 1-6 against good teams ) , a mediocre But super expensive bus driver .
 

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In my opinion? The GOAT had just one suitor -the team he signed with.

It’s possible that, like many fans, the league thinks he’s physically done.
You also have to look at why they probably signed him. They feel like if they can cut turnovers down with the weapons they have, they will be better overall. Its almost like they just need Tom Brady to do what he does best, manage the game at an elite level.
 

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The Patriots held 11 opponents to 14 or fewer points last season. They went 11-0 in those games.

They went 1-5 in the rest of their games.

Defense, not Brady, carried that team.

By most accounts, Brady had nothing to work with on offense. Team game. Team offense too. Brady's talent could have fallen off a cliff, but I wouldn't want to bet a lot on it.
 

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The crux of the failure was not doing their due diligence on *all* of their options at QB. There are things that Jerry brings to the table that other teams don't that Dak could *lose*, but Jerry made it clear that there was no threat of that happening. Simply as a negotiating tactic, the "No option but Dak" stance left Dak secure that moving on from him wasn't an option, so that his only negotiating stance was "gimme more".

Beyond the negotiating tactic, there were obvious *credible* opportunities like Brady available. Rivers was an option too.

Don't know if Brees was locked into the Saints, but if not, he would have been the best option available. His QB rating was 115+ for the last 2 years, best in his career. He's not slowing down, he's speeding up. Likely a cyborg. Or gene therapy. He's clearly more than human.

As team management, I've been against the franchise QB for a while. I think they're overpriced. The supply of quality QBs has grown with more passing in college, and top pros seeming to last forever. Supply is up for starting QBs, still only demand of 32 spots. Supply up, demand fixed should drive the price down, but instead the price is skyrocketing *up*. It's a bubble. One that may be just about to break. Don't buy into the bubble. Such a huge advantage to play with a QB on the cheap.
  1. Spend real resources to find young QBs.
  2. Sign quality vets on the back end of their careers when you don't have one.
  3. Trade your franchise QB to other teams while you still can.
There was a chance to do that this year, and with McCarthy supposedly being the QB Whisperer, we now have a top HC to work a strategy of developing young QBs.

Having said that, the lack of offseason/preseason work this year makes transitioning to a new QB less likely to succeed than usual. Really sucks for us with a *great* draft class and what should have been *extra* time for us to develop them and the team in the offseason because we have a new HC.
Very valid points . Jerry believed a deal was imminent with his favorite QB , and that ended in massive disappointment. The opportunity to grab Brady was gone . Brees would have also been awesome .
 

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FYI - Brady is not that good anymore. He's basically Andy Dalton.
Who do u think the Oline would block harder for? Who would have complete ownership of the offense from day 1? Which QB is more likely to loose the team from a couple bad games? Dalton and Brady are nothing alike.
 
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