You Think Dak Stinks Question

CowboyFrog

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If Dallas finishes w 3-4 wins and gets a top 5 pick, it's still going to cost multiple firsts to get Lawrence...and expect to be held up for Lamb or Gallup also. Maybe a young OL as well.

It's not only about moving down a few slots, ita about what other teams may offer.

If I'm a team like Chicago, I'd deal the entire store for a shot to draft Lawrence.

Bottom line is theres no real shot Dallas gets Lawrence. It would have to begin with both Prescott and Dalton going down for the year on or around week one.


I don't see a scenario that we draft Lawrence either, and the cost would be so much he is now a rookie on a hollow shell of a team.....so your in rebuilding mode...if you go back to the start of the salary cap you will see that QB's on rookie contracts winning the superbowl is usually tied to a really good defense. All but one of those QB's didn't cost the team a lot of draft capitol (Wentz being the outlier if you count him as a SB wining QB). Your better, sooner odds say use a real bus driver (Dalton) and beef that D up through FA and roll with that. Beef the D way up through FA is the thing I can't see our GM doing.
 

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I have read the posts. I believe them to be unreasonable. But that's me. I am still in a show me state. But I am patient and believe good things are ahead for Dak. But this is not about me.

This is about..........

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So tell me how you would handle this. How will you jettison Dak? How will you replace him? How about the fact this team has been built and waiting on the perfect drafted guy will take several seasons? How will you reconcile that?

Truthfully not interested in your assessment of Dak. We can assume here if you actually respond to this you want him gone and you have your reasons

Tell me your plan. Vegas might not take action on anyone really having a plan. I think this is merely grousing.

But you are the GM with the team in its current situation.

How and where do you find the QB you think is a winner and how will you fit that guy into the cap.

Step up to the microphone. Let's hear it.
Since we are playing make believe then I go back and use the non-exclusive franchsie tag and see what happens. Without that option there are really no good ways to replace Dak.

That means someone has to be willing to give up 2 1st rounders for him which I highly doubt anyway but that would have been my step 1 to replacing Dak.
 

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I don't think we have a shot at Lawrence. But we definitely have a shot if we're in the top 5. I just don't think that's going to happen. But all good QBs aren't only drafted high in the first round.

Dak is a perfect example of that.
 

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Since we are playing make believe then I go back and use the non-exclusive franchsie tag and see what happens. Without that option there are really no good ways to replace Dak.

That means someone has to be willing to give up 2 1st rounders for him which I highly doubt anyway but that would have been my step 1 to replacing Dak.


I would not have been opposed to this tag either as long as the FO had a plan because he would have received offers, the good side of that there would be no argument on what his contract should be....
 

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He didn’t have the greatest rookie QB season ever, or anywhere close to it. He’s a dink and dunk guy who was propped up by his teammates. He had 3 game manager seasons and 1 outlier season fueled by garbage time. The hyperbole is stupid. He can be replaced by literally anyone with a pulse who can stand in a clean pocket and throw to wide open guys.
My only hope is that when he’s gone that the weird trolls on this site like you follow him to wherever it is he ends up. Because while Dak may or may not be missed, you certainly won’t.
Im done with trying to explain to the blind.
What I find more interesting is the amount of recognizable posters that were Dak defenders, now realizing that success without Dak is the rational move.
Tag Dak with the Non-Exclusive, and let the league set his value and take the picks when a fish bites.
 

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I don't think we have a shot at Lawrence. But we definitely have a shot if we're in the top 5. I just don't think that's going to happen. But all good QBs aren't only drafted high in the first round.
Certainly true, as well as there being "cant miss" dudes that have missed.

But he is worth the risk and probably the cost. Andrew Luck took an awful Colts team to the playoffs basically by himself.

Itll be real interesting to see who ends up with him. Someone who was so/so who loses their QB early on is probably the winner. Indy somehow is a strong candidate again. Washington, Detroit.
 

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The Tennessee Titans just went to the AFC Championship game with 32 year old Ryan Tannehill as QB in his first year on the team. I think we could find a way to replace 40 million a year Dak Prescott and be just fine. If you are going to reply to me with, yea well how? Ok..get the best available free agent QB on the market. There replaced.
 

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The Cowboys will have to pay Dak nearly $38 million next year, even if they use the Non-Exclusive tag.

I don’t see any team willing to give away draft picks knowing that Dak will be a free agent soon.
 

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Imagine thinking this had anything to do with, well anything. It doesn’t refute a thing. Try again troll.
You stated his 2019 stats was due to most of his "success" in garbage time. I just showed you that it wasn't. The fact you are too dense to even realize what you are looking at just shows you have ulterior motives.
 

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The Cowboys will have to pay Dak nearly $38 million next year, even if they use the Non-Exclusive tag.

I don’t see any team willing to give away draft picks knowing that Dak will be a free agent soon.
They will sign him. JJ will drop the idea of the 5th year and he will sign. It’s just how much. If he helps them to the championship game or wins a SB then he will demand mahomes money and likely get it.
 

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There simply isn't a way to answer that question this early before the 2021 draft. We don't know what teams will be picking in the top 10. We had 3 QB needy teams in the top 6 in 2020. We might have none in the 2021 draft. I highly doubt the Cowboys will do poorly enough to be able to trade up for Lawrence. But that's another unknown. A lot of unknowns right now. I don't know how good this guy is going to be, but wasn't Drew Lock picked up in the 2nd round? It's too hard to be specific other than to say I'd rather go with Dalton and draft a rookie over throwing all of my eggs in one basket with Dak at that price.

The chances of bad results are possible in both cases. Think of the players we drafted this year. How many of them are we going to keep if they turn out really good with Dak taking up close to 20% of the cap?




Lets take a look at what you say can't be answered. You're right nobody can right now say what spot the Cowboys will be picking from or any other team but here's what plan can be stated now. Even if the Cowboys only have to move up a few places to get one of the highly touted QB's in the draft, we all know that a trade like that will still take their 1st round pick and probably their 2nd or 3rd round pick too. That means any chance of getting starting help on defense is drastically less without those picks. Now you also implied maybe a 2nd round pick on a QB and is that really going to be better than where Prescott is now? Even though it doesn't happen all the time, there have been QB's drafted, one as high as the 1st pick in the draft, that turned out to be busts. Now if the Cowboys draft a QB and he turns out to be a bust, how many years does that set back the Super Bowl quest?

Next those that say just go with Dalton for the 2021 season after drafting a QB but they forget that Dalton has already been fired in favor of a QB with zero NFL snaps. Now Burrows is on a rookie contract and keeping Dalton wouldn't have been a cap crusher but the bengals decided that a QB with zero NFL snaps was better. Now does it show a lack of confidence for a QB to sign a 1 year contract as a backup for a measly 3 mil or does it mean that he actually realizes that he's no longer a quality starting QB in this league? It really doesn't matter which it is because since Prescott hasn't missed a game due to injury so far, the chances that Dalton sees any action this season is very slim. So after no or maybe just a small handful in garbage time snaps this season, the Cowboys are going to say ya lets make him the starter until this drafted QB is ready to start. Now if that dream comes true do you think Dalton's agent is going to accept another 3 mil a year contract or will the contract demand be closer to at least the middle of the pack of starting QB's? That will be cheaper than Prescott on the tag again but Dalton isn't anywhere close to being as good either. So now without that cheap 3 mil contract but a contract worth at least 5 times more and a probable lower cap and at least 2 of the Cowboys top picks gone making that trade up for a QB, to get rookie contract starting help on defense and a reduced cap space to go out and sign some quality defensive help, the Cowboys have just taken steps backward on getting to the Super Bowl.
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You stated his 2019 stats was due to most of his "success" in garbage time. I just showed you that it wasn't. The fact you are too dense to even realize what you are looking at just shows you have ulterior motives.
I never understood garbage time stats. There isn’t to many losses that we were being blown out. So does someone want a QB that doesn’t try to win. O well we are down by 7-10 points and still have 7-10 minutes left in the game, I guess we will just give up.
 

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Im done with trying to explain to the blind.
What I find more interesting is the amount of recognizable posters that were Dak defenders, now realizing that success without Dak is the rational move.
Tag Dak with the Non-Exclusive, and let the league set his value and take the picks when a fish bites.
I am in this group. Unfortunately the $$ is going to be too crazy moving forward after 2021. Maybe he plays 2021 on the tag but that's it. The front office botched the entire thing now we have to go qb hunting to find a top 10 qb. Meanwhile we will be saving cap space for what? Our FO has constantly missed on free agent signings over the last few years. So back to the draft where we have whiffed player after player on defense. I just dont see the long term gameplan from this FO. You don't win super bowls by having more cap space.
 

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Why don't you ask yourself (OP) "what has Dak done for the cowboys?" SQUAT wait I take that back he has "created division among the fanbase" gotta thank him for that.
 

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I never understood garbage time stats. There isn’t to many losses that we were being blown out. So does someone want a QB that doesn’t try to win. O well we are down by 7-10 points and still have 7-10 minutes left in the game, I guess we will just give up.
They think 1 score games in the 4th quarter is garbage time lol. Does it really surprise you from that group tho? lol
 

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Why don't you ask yourself (OP) "what has Dak done for the cowboys?" SQUAT wait I take that back he has "created division among the fanbase" gotta thank him for that.
I would say the same about you on this board, looking at your message to like ratio.
 

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The Tennessee Titans just went to the AFC Championship game with 32 year old Ryan Tannehill as QB in his first year on the team. I think we could find a way to replace 40 million a year Dak Prescott and be just fine. If you are going to reply to me with, yea well how? Ok..get the best available free agent QB on the market. There replaced.


Depends on what free agents are available and what the cost would be, if your going to get a journeyman cheap... I mean you already have Dalton....why not get what you can for Dak get the D up to top level and see how it goes... Again I think Dak can win and QB's are payed ridiculous in every market not just Dallas...Just remember the grass isn't always greener and we have seen QB's much worse come through town...
 

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dak wants to remain a cowboy.
the front office wants very much to sign dak.
dak now understands stephen will not back down and there will be a line drawn in the sand (or another pie chart).
stephen will get it done. it won't be cheap, but the new deal will allow the cowboys to manage the cap and give them some flexibility restructuring his deal should it be necessary. i am not worried.
 

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I am in this group. Unfortunately the $$ is going to be too crazy moving forward after 2021. Maybe he plays 2021 on the tag but that's it. The front office botched the entire thing now we have to go qb hunting to find a top 10 qb. Meanwhile we will be saving cap space for what? Our FO has constantly missed on free agent signings over the last few years. So back to the draft where we have whiffed player after player on defense. I just dont see the long term gameplan from this FO. You don't win super bowls by having more cap space.
I know where you stand HK, and totally understand finding a franchise QB can take decades, all Dallas fans have been fortunate historically.
This game has changed, the entire equation has been changed.
Everyone is setting the standard on Mahomes, thats what you have to have at QB in order to win a SB.
Having a Mahomes definitely helps tremendously,, who wouldnt want one of those ... lol
Man is a game changer a winner...
If you cant have a QB that can change a game, you can have others that equate the same success.
Ive seen it happen too many times, people buy into a profile because it is most recent, everyone hung up on Dak vs non Dak BS, there is 10 ways to skin a cat.
Throwing big franchise cap killing money in the wrong place, despite the position will cost this franchise, any franchise.
 

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You stated his 2019 stats was due to most of his "success" in garbage time. I just showed you that it wasn't. The fact you are too dense to even realize what you are looking at just shows you have ulterior motives.
You posted an obscure stat that you don’t even understand yourself pertaining to distances of 7 yards or more and you somehow think it has even the slightest amount of relevance to anything I said. It must be weird inhabiting whatever drug-powered fantasy world you are currently in, but unfortunately I am out here in the real world. You continue to embarrass yourself time after time and ban after ban.
 
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