You Think Dak Stinks Question

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I get what you are saying.....you want people to own up to their opinion. I get it. However....just because you may not have a solution to the problem doesn't necessarily make it NOT a problem.

You also don't have to be orbital mechanics and jet propulsion engineer to tell NASA facked up a few times.

Now....let it be known that I do not necessarily think Dak is "a problem". But if people think a big contract is problematic...that's an honest assessment that can stand on it's own.

I agree with everything you said.

I also have made it known that I am in the show me mode. Dak needs to step up. That is straddling the fence a bit. But I see him as a real leader and a guy who sells out as a player.

The what if game always interests me.

What if he has a so-so year, and the team allows him to walk? Then everything clicks and he becomes greatness. I keep thinking this is the way the Cowboy luck runs.

As to your idea of commenting. I see this board littered with threads about Dak. I see other threads that are hijacked by Dak detractors. It's the same ole shate every time.

Just looking for them to step up and have some accountability and not just spew the same tired crap over and over. But from the look of things, and those I see who are continually in attack mode, they either don't have the fortitude or have issues with following instructions. I have yet to see one of the usual suspects throw down a solution.

As to that, if Dak spits the bit this next season, then I am willing to see him walk. Or be sent packing.
 

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You posted an obscure stat that you don’t even understand yourself pertaining to distances of 7 yards or more and you somehow think it has even the slightest amount of relevance to anything I said. It must be weird inhabiting whatever drug-powered fantasy world you are currently in, but unfortunately I am out here in the real world. You continue to embarrass yourself time after time and ban after ban.
You think I care about being banned by a bunch of southern boomers lol. You need to look at what I linked again and look at the second post that is where the garbage time stats you are looking for are located.
 

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Throwing big franchise cap killing money in the wrong place, despite the position will cost this franchise, any franchise.
Dak was a safe bet. He has improved mightily since his first season. He was the best player on this team in 2019 hasn't missed a game either. You pay him over zeke, and jaylon. Like I said we could very well be the next browns soon enough. Let's hope jerry doesn't pick "his" qb in the draft. Along with manziel and paxton lynch
 

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I agree with everything you said.

I also have made it known that I am in the show me mode. Dak needs to step up. That is straddling the fence a bit. But I see him as a real leader and a guy who sells out as a player.

The what if game always interests me.

What if he has a so-so year, and the team allows him to walk? Then everything clicks and he becomes greatness. I keep thinking this is the way the Cowboy luck runs.

As to your idea of commenting. I see this board littered with threads about Dak. I see other threads that are hijacked by Dak detractors. It's the same ole shate every time.

Just looking for them to step up and have some accountability and not just spew the same tired crap over and over. But from the look of things, and those I see who are continually in attack mode, they either don't have the fortitude or have issues with following instructions. I have yet to see one of the usual suspects throw down a solution.

As to that, if Dak spits the bit this next season, then I am willing to see him walk. Or be sent packing.


This is the only logical stance by a Cowboy fan.........if the coaching change doesn't spark these guys then I'm ready to give McCarthy a sign to start the garage sell ASAP....not just Dak but all of our Stars....
 

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They think 1 score games in the 4th quarter is garbage time lol. Does it really surprise you from that group tho? lol
No QB has had more wins in there first 4 wins except brady. A ton of comeback games. But this past year is all they look at. I know it’s what have you done for me lately, but it’s a team game. And all 3 phases weren’t there. We had 0 ST. When you start almost every drive from deep in your own side it’s easy to see how we had the top ranked Offense by yards.
 

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I agree with everything you said.

I also have made it known that I am in the show me mode. Dak needs to step up. That is straddling the fence a bit. But I see him as a real leader and a guy who sells out as a player.

The what if game always interests me.

What if he has a so-so year, and the team allows him to walk? Then everything clicks and he becomes greatness. I keep thinking this is the way the Cowboy luck runs.

As to your idea of commenting. I see this board littered with threads about Dak. I see other threads that are hijacked by Dak detractors. It's the same ole shate every time.

Just looking for them to step up and have some accountability and not just spew the same tired crap over and over. But from the look of things, and those I see who are continually in attack mode, they either don't have the fortitude or have issues with following instructions. I have yet to see one of the usual suspects throw down a solution.

As to that, if Dak spits the bit this next season, then I am willing to see him walk. Or be sent packing.


I dig.

I've said it before.....everyone gets a free pass. The dark cloud has (supposedly) been lifted...we gotta see what we got. Even MM gets the pass....I trust him at the moment...to get this team in shape and feared.

free pass = show me
 

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Certainly true, as well as there being "cant miss" dudes that have missed.

But he is worth the risk and probably the cost. Andrew Luck took an awful Colts team to the playoffs basically by himself.

Itll be real interesting to see who ends up with him. Someone who was so/so who loses their QB early on is probably the winner. Indy somehow is a strong candidate again. Washington, Detroit.

I just don't see it being Washington or Detroit. They were both in perfect position to draft a rookie in the 2020 draft.
 

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OK for one thing dallas is the only team that does not have a real GM, so your question should have been if you are Jerry what would u do.
And it isnt easy, Dak isnt a bad qb, and we have only seen him under JG led teams, so to be fair we really need to see him play under the
new HC and his staff.
Now the main problem, isnt is Dak good enough, it is whether he is worth the big salary he wants. That is the rub.
He is our guy now for 2020, no way around that.
He will start and if he plays good, and they win enough , they wont ever put dalton on the field, unless dak gets concussed or hurt.
If dak were to play really bad, which is doubtful all things considered, then MM might put dalton in to see what he looks like.

Now TC is another thing, what does Dalton and Dinucci , and Dak look like in camp?? We dont know lol no news so far.
So it is hard to say what I would do since I have no info in that area.

Now lets say I dont want to pay dak that much , and dallas gets knocked out by div round or worse, and if Dak looks the same or worse,
Then there are ways to go, but what I would do if that were the case would be to tank this year and go for getting the # 1 or 2 pick and get
Lawrence or fields, without having to trade up.
You have to give to get, and you would be giving up this season.
They could start Dalton or Dinucci, but the only problem is what if they play good, lol and are winning games ? So even tanking isnt easy.

you cant count on trading up, because the teams with top 2 picks, might want to use them, and they might want those 2 QB's.

The other thing I might do is go with any decent cheap bus driver qb, get him to focus mainly on not turning ball over, and build
a great defense.

There is no easy out or sure thing, even if you keep dak and sign him, there are no guarantee's that will work either.

Best thing is start dak see how it goes, do they go 5-0 or 3-2 etc, and go from there, and be prepared to go to dalton or dinucci, in a effort to win
or tank.

I would seriously shelve the idea DiNucci will play well. He is not even in the conversation at this point in my opinion. One of the down sides to Romo and his success is the idea that anyone can walk into this job. My biggest fear after Romo showed he could get the job done was him not being able to finish the job. People will jump on that and bring up defense as they try to protect Romo's career from analysis. Again my opinion. But I was correct in that some fans are already starting to talk about this 7th round draft choice as a possibility forgetting Romo sat for a couple of years before being pressed into service. The "we've got to see what the young guys can do," mindset has always puzzled me.

As to tanking, I am not opposed to that idea, but certain criteria has to be in place. Last season was a perfect season to just play the string out in a way the team was positioning for a draft slot. I am thrilled by the draft picks, by the way. But I have to wonder if Dallas went 5-11 how the draft might have been different and this Dak issue might play out completely different.

Dalton could play somewhat well. I think there is no comparison between Dak and Dalton. The wishful thinking going on that he will suddenly become a world beater ignores he is as mobile as a fire hydrant. If this line cannot protect him between the tackles, he will take a nosedive quickly. He cannot get out of the way of the train that is coming.

MM will not tank. He spent the off season preparing for this moment. His rep is on the line. And even tanking does not assure a QB will be in the draft. Right now Walter's projects two QB's in the top 15 picks. Neither is impressive.

A decent cheap bus driver adds what exactly?

I think this plays out and what Dak does as far as accomplishments will dictate all. And people will either rejoice that he is gone or whine about his paycheck.

If he is gone this team is blown up.
 

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I'm in the group that doesn't think Dak stinks, but at the same time he had some games last year where there were moments to shine and they just didn't happen. I'd be all for paying the man if i thought he was a top-5 QB, but paying him top $ and KNOWING he's not a top-5 QB just sounds ridiculous. And Dallas isn't completely out in the cold here; they went and rounded up Andy Dalton. I think he's more than capable, but they've got to get on the field to show us what they've got. Either way, either one of these guys could serve as a bridge to the next hyped-up QB. I guess i'd do what the front-office has already done --- pay him on a one-year basis like they're doing. Get a serviceable backup (they hit a home run with Dalton, he could start). then see where they chips fall this season.
 

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Lets take a look at what you say can't be answered. You're right nobody can right now say what spot the Cowboys will be picking from or any other team but here's what plan can be stated now. Even if the Cowboys only have to move up a few places to get one of the highly touted QB's in the draft, we all know that a trade like that will still take their 1st round pick and probably their 2nd or 3rd round pick too. That means any chance of getting starting help on defense is drastically less without those picks. Now you also implied maybe a 2nd round pick on a QB and is that really going to be better than where Prescott is now? Even though it doesn't happen all the time, there have been QB's drafted, one as high as the 1st pick in the draft, that turned out to be busts. Now if the Cowboys draft a QB and he turns out to be a bust, how many years does that set back the Super Bowl quest?

Next those that say just go with Dalton for the 2021 season after drafting a QB but they forget that Dalton has already been fired in favor of a QB with zero NFL snaps. Now Burrows is on a rookie contract and keeping Dalton wouldn't have been a cap crusher but the bengals decided that a QB with zero NFL snaps was better. Now does it show a lack of confidence for a QB to sign a 1 year contract as a backup for a measly 3 mil or does it mean that he actually realizes that he's no longer a quality starting QB in this league? It really doesn't matter which it is because since Prescott hasn't missed a game due to injury so far, the chances that Dalton sees any action this season is very slim. So after no or maybe just a small handful in garbage time snaps this season, the Cowboys are going to say ya lets make him the starter until this drafted QB is ready to start. Now if that dream comes true do you think Dalton's agent is going to accept another 3 mil a year contract or will the contract demand be closer to at least the middle of the pack of starting QB's? That will be cheaper than Prescott on the tag again but Dalton isn't anywhere close to being as good either. So now without that cheap 3 mil contract but a contract worth at least 5 times more and a probable lower cap and at least 2 of the Cowboys top picks gone making that trade up for a QB, to get rookie contract starting help on defense and a reduced cap space to go out and sign some quality defensive help, the Cowboys have just taken steps backward on getting to the Super Bowl.
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There's risk in all of it. Not all players that are cast offs are crap. Tannehill for one. Quinn signed a huge deal with Chicago. And of course there's risk in trading up too. If you give up the farm to get that QB, it had better work out. Or else you're the Chicago Bears or Commanders with RG3. That will set you back. But so will paying Dak if he wants 15-20% of the cap.

To be honest, when I mentioned trade up for a QB, I really never thought we'd be in position for a top 3 pick. If you go by the 2020 draft for example, a QB beyond Herbert. Someone like that and go with Dalton. That's the only thing you really can do if Dak can't stay. Will the rookie end up being as good as Dak? I don't know. But he won't cost 37 mil per year. And you'll still be left with picks for defense.

We simply don't know a lot right now. What Dak will expect is one of them. I have a feeling there is some animosity between the two sides. Even though on the surface they don't say so. At least that's a good sign.
 

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No QB has had more wins in there first 4 wins except brady. A ton of comeback games. But this past year is all they look at. I know it’s what have you done for me lately, but it’s a team game. And all 3 phases weren’t there. We had 0 ST. When you start almost every drive from deep in your own side it’s easy to see how we had the top ranked Offense by yards.


Facts........that's what makes this argument so weird to me, if I eliminate all the facts, i can make any argument seem real....but to say Dak didn't do well in his first 4 years is just not factual..... My main question is if your barometer is the superbowl in 4 years.....how many coaches QB's you think we will burn through? Even looking at last year the Facts clearly show Dak was not the problem... And I mean CLEARLY... If he is the problem moving forward lets get on to the next guy for sure...
 

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Well..... Dak is still young... People underestimate the experience factor. Right now Dak is not a Romo, Brady, or Brees. Give him a few more seasons and we may all be surprised.
 

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not wanting to pay a avg/above avg qb franchise qb money does not mean u think he stinks.

just imo but dak does not elevate any one around him (the opposite in fact, which why the cowboys had to trade for cooper and invest so heavy in the offense and why jerry said it was his and stephen and mcclays jobs to do every thing to make the offense dak friendly)

yeah yeah yeah thats the market for qbs but that does not mean u have to do it too. great feanchises are ahead of the curve and set the trends...not just follow them.

the cowboys are in a terrible spot right now imo because they pushed all in with dak when they should have gone all in for 2-3 years with tom brady.

my main point is dak crumbles when every thing is not stacked in his favor (not having amari, zeke getting suspended, etc) and when he is eating up a ton of cap he will have to do the carrying not get carried.
 

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Well..... Dak is still young... People underestimate the experience factor. Right now Dak is not a Romo, Brady, or Brees. Give him a few more seasons and we may all be surprised.


No Brady but his first 4 season's compared to Romo and Brees......again if your not going by stats then Romo is no Brady or Brees and Brees is no Brady.... They are all 4 winning QB's with 2 of them sporting rings.....he is not Brees or Romo at the peaks of their career but his trajectory looks pretty equal at the moment...
 

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Glad to see you are doing well,here this will help you on garbage time stats
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article238104579.html
hopefully Dak can fix his problems with all the talent around him.


if your going to use Mac Engel's opinion as the end all be all to an argument then you must know he thinks the Cowboys should sign Dak and should have done it a while back...So I'l take his article as the winner in Garbage time if you take the other six articles he has written as fact Dak should be the Cowboys starting QB for a while.... do we have an accord?
 

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just imo but dak does not elevate any one around him (the opposite in fact, which why the cowboys had to trade for cooper and invest so heavy in the offense and why jerry said it was his and stephen and mcclays jobs to do every thing to make the offense dak friendly)

This is a pretty funny take when you consider Cooper couldn't produce jack squat in 2018 with Derek Carr throwing to him (a QB some people here insist is better than Dak), but as soon as he has Dak throwing to him instead his stats blew up. Almost like he... elevated Cooper's game?

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Year     Tm    G   GS  Rec  Yds  Y/R   TD  Lng  R/G  Y/G Y/Tgt
2018*   2TM   15   15   75 1005 13.4    7   90  5.0 67.0   9.4
*       DAL    9    9   53  725 13.7    6   90  5.9 80.6   9.5
*       OAK    6    6   22  280 12.7    1   36  3.7 46.7   9.0
 

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This is a pretty funny take when you consider Cooper couldn't produce jack squat in 2018 with Derek Carr throwing to him (a QB some people here insist is better than Dak), but as soon as he has Dak throwing to him instead his stats blew up. Almost like he... elevated Cooper's game?

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Year     Tm    G   GS  Rec  Yds  Y/R   TD  Lng  R/G  Y/G Y/Tgt
2018*   2TM   15   15   75 1005 13.4    7   90  5.0 67.0   9.4
*       DAL    9    9   53  725 13.7    6   90  5.9 80.6   9.5
*       OAK    6    6   22  280 12.7    1   36  3.7 46.7   9.0



Again with those Facts man .......what does that prove?
 
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