Two main reasons why Dallas needs to secure Dak long term

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Ultimately what is the purpose of playing this game?

To win.

I have seen all the Championship games but the 1971. Both wins and losses. I cannot imagine watching a team and think what I have witnessed was enough. This will start the 24th year since a championship came to Dallas. In a way this could equate to being a battered housewife. The good days are when the team hits me in the face just once.

I have tired of losing. Being an also-ran leaves me hollow.

The Cleveland Browns have won four league championships. Their first was in 1950 and last in 1965. Think those guys are satisfied?

I understand this is personal preference. I cannot understand accepting what was is enough. Just me, I guess.
There are some that would disagree with you about the purpose of playing the game, it has become more entertainment than football.

I accept it because I have no choice on something totally out of my control. You cannot accept it, which of us is frustrated. Some are holding out that we are not fans like CLE,
DET and WAS but that is exactly what we are. Your standards of acceptance have nothing to do with anymore than mine.

I accepted what this team was and is a long time ago and know that the only thing that changes that is luck.
 

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Let me ask this question:

If you had to choose between

1. Dak being traded or released after this 2020 season in which the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs

or

2. The Cowboys win the Super Bowl and then sign Dak to a 4 year 180 million dollar contract, 120 million guaranteed.

You must select one of these choices only. The point of this exercise is to determine priorities. My first assumption would be that everyone select 1 as their choice, just as I do. However.....it's a strange world.

I'm strongly on the "Don't pay Dak" bandwagon but if the Cowboys get a SB and then have to eat a massive contract for 4 years and cut the rest of the good players in preparation for a rebuild, I would gladly take it.

I also have to note that I think the team is pretty good and plays an easy schedule. I think a mediocre QB could get them to the playoffs. If they actually miss the playoffs, that means the team surrounding Dak isn't that good. #1 is bad for a bunch of reasons.

#2 easily.
 

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Let me ask this question:

If you had to choose between

1. Dak being traded or released after this 2020 season in which the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs

or

2. The Cowboys win the Super Bowl and then sign Dak to a 4 year 180 million dollar contract, 120 million guaranteed.

You must select one of these choices only. The point of this exercise is to determine priorities. My first assumption would be that everyone select 1 as their choice, just as I do. However.....it's a strange world.

After 25 years of futility this question is easy - 2.
 

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Let me ask this question:

If you had to choose between

1. Dak being traded or released after this 2020 season in which the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs

or

2. The Cowboys win the Super Bowl and then sign Dak to a 4 year 180 million dollar contract, 120 million guaranteed.

You must select one of these choices only. The point of this exercise is to determine priorities. My first assumption would be that everyone select 1 as their choice, just as I do. However.....it's a strange world.
What a weird post.

You’d take a favorable cap situation (and no QB) over a Super Bowl victory?

AND you’d assume that “everyone” would agree with you?????
:lmao2::huh:
 

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1. Solidify the position

2. Allocate most if not all draft picks towards defense in the 2021 draft. We need to build a young fast and talented defense.

Letting Dak walk would more than likely mean Dallas is using their 1st round pick in 2021 and could very well have to trade multiple premium picks to move up and get the qb they want.

Yes, Dallas would have 35 million+ of extra cap space for the next couple of seasons, but I'd rather keep Dak at a rate the team can afford and go draft a defense.

Dak being a proven winning QB is far better getting him long term. Than to use a high pick on an unknown.
Even Joe Burrow is unknown at this time.

all depends on how the season goes for a contract next year, then also depends on Dak, does he still want to dig in at 4 years or will he go with a 5 year deal. Same can be said for the team FO, will they still want a 5 year as opposed to settle for a 4 year.

Right now, I’m just focusing on this season. Next year is next year. No going to waste any brain cells over it.
 

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1. Solidify the position

2. Allocate most if not all draft picks towards defense in the 2021 draft. We need to build a young fast and talented defense.

Letting Dak walk would more than likely mean Dallas is using their 1st round pick in 2021 and could very well have to trade multiple premium picks to move up and get the qb they want.

Yes, Dallas would have 35 million+ of extra cap space for the next couple of seasons, but I'd rather keep Dak at a rate the team can afford and go draft a defense.
The option to sign Dak long term is not even possible right now.
This becomes a topic next Spring.
 

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Yea 4 trips to the NFC title game since the last Dallas appearance.

Yep lately Dallas is doing far better than the Vikings.

:facepalm:
Way to go - you cherry picked what you wanted to quote.

Let's ignore that 2 of those appearances were well before the 12 year time period I wrote about, so you are arguing using irrelevant info.

And let's ignore that of the two that were within the time frame, the team went 6-10 and 8-7-1 the next year, so yes, what I said about the team being unable to build with a consistent QB situation actually did prove to apply.

And let's forget that with the Vikes having 8 QBs in 12 years they were incapable of building and sustaining, or even having the chance to find out if building and sustaining was even possible.

Or that in 6 of the 12 years I spoke of the Vikes had a record of 8 wins or less.

But congratulations, you have the basics down to be a tabloid journalist.
 

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What a weird post.

You’d take a favorable cap situation (and no QB) over a Super Bowl victory?

AND you’d assume that “everyone” would agree with you?????
:lmao2::huh:
Yeah. That was incredibly bizarre.
 

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I think a long term deal makes it easier to manage the cap and having long term deal gives stability to an important position. Dak has chosen to play on a tag this year so the pressure is on him to prove himself.
 

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Let me ask this question:

If you had to choose between

1. Dak being traded or released after this 2020 season in which the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs

or

2. The Cowboys win the Super Bowl and then sign Dak to a 4 year 180 million dollar contract, 120 million guaranteed.

You must select one of these choices only. The point of this exercise is to determine priorities. My first assumption would be that everyone select 1 as their choice, just as I do. However.....it's a strange world.
Whoops.

I screwed this one up, sorry.

I would choose #2!! I would not choose #1.

And most of you guys figured I was crazy. Nope, just dumb for not proofreading it.

Ever hear the quote, "A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.?" Choice #2 is you get a Super Bowl! That is what it is all about, winning championships.

And you know what? This means that Dak did everything you doubters claimed he couldn't do. Not only that. He did it once so there is no reason to believe he can't do it again. Why? Because he already did it once!!!

For those who are thinking about drafting a quarterback at the top of round 1 by trading away 3 years of draft picks, at least two #1's, because that is what it will take, this does not guarantee the next Payton Manning/Aaron Rodgers, whatever.

For a team that was initially disappointed in not getting Johnny Manziel or Paxton Lynch, there is no reason to believe that they don't wind up with the next Ryan Leaf, Art Schlichter, Heath Shuler, Andre Ware, Kelly Stouffer, Akili Smith.........

Who are these guys some of you may ask?,,,,,,Exactly!
 

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But congratulations, you have the basics down to be a tabloid journalist.

My point was don't cast stones at other teams without
talking about what GM Jerry has been up to since 95'.

On the field the results have been miserable.
 

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My point was don't cast stones at other teams without
talking about what GM Jerry has been up to since 95'.

On the field the results have been miserable.
I didn't say Jerry has done a great job the last 25 years, I merely said consistency with a QB a team believes in provides a chance to see if something can be built as opposed to a team playing musical QB for years and years.
 

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Like you, I would choose #1 but we will be in the small minority. For many, the ring's the thing.

And I went through all of the trips and the rings, so I am not in that group that really hasn't seen much success with this franchise so I might feel different if I was.
There's absolutely no reason not to take the Lombardi.
 

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Let me ask this question:

If you had to choose between

1. Dak being traded or released after this 2020 season in which the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs

or

2. The Cowboys win the Super Bowl and then sign Dak to a 4 year 180 million dollar contract, 120 million guaranteed.

You must select one of these choices only. The point of this exercise is to determine priorities. My first assumption would be that everyone select 1 as their choice, just as I do. However.....it's a strange world.
Obviously #2. Duh.
 

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Everything looks great with the #2 option, except for the fact you're asking Dak to help the team win a Super Bowl when I havent seen him win clutch games in the past, and the playoffs are loaded with clutch games.
You haven;t seen him win cluch games lately.....as in last season? During the four seasons he has been in this league 28 QB's have thrown a minimum of 1000 pass attempts, including Dak.

He is tied for 2nd in game winning drives, 14, one in back of Drew Brees. This means that 21.9% of all the games he started required a game winning drive.

Dak is in 5th place for come from behind victories with 8 during that four year period. This is with Dak starting as a rookie so we are talking about his entire career so far. The guys in the first four spots have from 2 to 15 more years of experience.

In the 2016 division playoff game against the Packers, the Cowboys got behind by 18 points. With 35 seconds left in the 4th quarter the game was tied after Dak threw 3 TD passes.

We have seen more clutch plays from Dak than all other QB's other than a few first ballot Hall of Famers.
 

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As predicted, some chose #1 including me, by accident, but that isn't the point. I don't have an issue with the priority of winning championships, I just have an issue with posting something during insomnia.

Some of you chose the option of getting rid of Dak after another failed season over winning a championship and giving him the contract he wants. I don't understand. Have you also been up way too long?

When you watch the games during any particular season, what outcome do you hope for? As a Cowboy fan, is winning the game important? If you criticize a Cowboy player because you don't think he is good enough, would you rather be right or would you rather be wrong? What gives you more satisfaction, the Cowboys winning or being able to inform everybody how right you were?

Here is the most important reality in all of this.....the Dallas Cowboys could win the Super Bowl. You may think it improbable, but it certainly isn't impossible. It could happen.

They do have immense offensive talent and likely sufficient defensive talent. They do have experienced Super Bowl winning coaching. At the very least, they do have a top ten QB according to almost every single metric used to measure this.

Either scenario is absolutely possible. Then what? We hand him over to another team and search for another QB who can ......do exactly what Dak did??
 

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1. Solidify the position

2. Allocate most if not all draft picks towards defense in the 2021 draft. We need to build a young fast and talented defense.

Letting Dak walk would more than likely mean Dallas is using their 1st round pick in 2021 and could very well have to trade multiple premium picks to move up and get the qb they want.

Yes, Dallas would have 35 million+ of extra cap space for the next couple of seasons, but I'd rather keep Dak at a rate the team can afford and go draft a defense.

A friends nephew: "I want a cookie."
"It will ruin your dinner."
Nephew: "I *need* a cookie."

Need is magic rhetoric for something you want.

Sure, I want to have Dak signed. I'd also want the cap that would take for other uses. And a pony. I need a pony.

I expect Dak is going to regret not signing this year, as years of contracts were negotiated with the expectation of ever expanding caps, while the cap is *lowering*. Next year should see a collapse in free agent salaries. A *lot* fewer dollars chasing the usual number of players.

Add that to a long term trend of an expanding supply of QBs through QBs playing until they're older, and college producing more NFL ready QBs, and QB salaries should collapse.

I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last team to buy into the QB bubble. But if not, it will be interesting to see how they dance around Dak taking a contract *lower* than he was offered this year.

Teams who do have cash to spend in free agency next year should be able to amass a lot of short term talent on the cheap. Could be a good year to sell out on Win Now.
 
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