How do we not look at Logan Ryan for the Safety position?

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No, it doesn't mean they are right, but generally they have more information that they are going off than we know. Everyone misses on free agents, so obviously the intel that teams gather when looking to sign a player isn't always enough. I'm just saying that they generally have more insight than we do.

I don't think Dallas is concerned about setting the market. The Cowboys have paid the going rate for players they believe are worth that rate. Their concern has become not paying big money to outside FAs because they don't believe they have proven to be worth it. I don't completely agree with that thinking because you still often get what you pay for.

BTW, New England got Newton for cheap and he's only on a one-year, prove-you-still-got it deal. He does have incentives that can increase the deal to $7 million, but that's still cheap for a starting QB. Not sure he would have taken that deal from just any team.

So if Logan Ryan and Clowney were willing to play on the vet minimum the Cowboys wouldn't be interested?
 

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I like Ha Ha but he's the typical signing for them. The band aid on a gun shot wound signing. Before him it was Iloka. Before Iloka it was Sensabaugh. Before Sensabaugh it was Ken Hamlin. I'm not saying spend big money on the position because I do believe it is one of those positions you shouldn't. But at least invest a solid draft pick into it.

I do not believe for one second they had a honest discussion about Earl.
I agree Ha Ha isn't a top level signing, but he really isn't a typical safety signing for them. We haven't signed a veteran free agent to start at safety since …. well, I'm not sure. Gerald Sensabaugh?
 

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This is what I don't understand when fans bring up a player who is available now. Every team has the opportunity to add that player but has declined. There's generally a good reason for that.

I'm not sure it's just the price demands, but teams do weigh cost vs. value, which is based on performance level, coachability, etc. They know better than us what they are getting and what the player should be worth. ... That's one reason I don't trip out over contracts. If the team pays a player huge money, it's because that's what the player's market value is. Sure, the home team can sometimes get a discount, but it's not like the owners and GMs set out to pay their players more than they are worth.

Elliott got a contract because the team agreed with his value; Dak has not because the team doesn't agree with what he believes his value is at this point. Now, there have been times when a player signed with another team where I thought the value was good and Dallas should have went after that player, but we don't really know that they didn't make him an offer or if he was even willing to take the same offer from the Cowboys. We focus too much on contracts when we don't have all the variables.

Good points. It's my understanding that he is strictly a nickel, slot CB at this juncture. Paying top dollar for such a player makes little sense for the Cowboys. If they are going to use the remaining of their cap funds, you would think Defensive End would be the bigger priority. Brown, Lewis even Awuzie could handle the nickel role.
 

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The man is a FA, had 113 tackles, 4 forced fumbles and 4 INT's as a CB.

He says he's a safety first and his stats and initiative when it comes to tackling shows up.

https://www.nfl.com/news/logan-ryan-safety-not-cornerback-free-agent

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanLo00.htm

We don't have to give up any draft picks, the man has 2 SB rings and has been sitting out there until now.

Let's bring this guy in for a look.





First off just because a player who played corner his entire college and pro career decides that he is now a safety DOES NOT make him a safety. Second since he's still out there and no team has signed him it probably means he's asking more than what teams feel he's worth. Next, yes he did have 4 picks last season but you didn't mention that the two prior seasons he had ZERO and the third season prior to last season he had all of TWO.

This might shock you but the Cowboys actual have some scouts dedicated to just pro players to find available players the team might be interested in. I'll bet they brought Ryan's name to Jones along with how much he is asking for and Jones filed it in the circular file.
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I wonder if the bonuses they’re going to pay players goes against the. Not that it matters just curious





The money a player gets if they opt out the 2020 season is 150K if they just decide not to play or 350K if they or a immediate family member has a medical reason that puts them at risk. Whichever amount applies to a player that comes off of their 2021 salary. It was also decided that if the league is shut down after playing any games that the pay paid prior to getting shut down there is also a split and that amount will also be subtracted from next season's salary
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I agree Ha Ha isn't a top level signing, but he really isn't a typical safety signing for them. We haven't signed a veteran free agent to start at safety since …. well, I'm not sure. Gerald Sensabaugh?

Just saying but Sensabaugh has been the best we have had since Woody.
 

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The money a player gets if they opt out the 2020 season is 150K if they just decide not to play or 350K if they or a immediate family member has a medical reason that puts them at risk. Whichever amount applies to a player that comes off of their 2021 salary. It was also decided that if the league is shut down after playing any games that the pay paid prior to getting shut down there is also a split and that amount will also be subtracted from next season's salary
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OK so it’s not a bonus. It’s just a paycheck if you opt out. Thank you for the response my cowboy brother be good be safe
 

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That's really a tough question to answer as we don't know who the FO really wanted, but internally acknowledged that the player was too expensive.
Maybe Byron Jones?

I don't know, but I'm sure the team tries to practice responsible cap management.
Of course we do. We’ve never not signed anybody we wanted. That’s since I can remember. If we wanted Byron he be here
 

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Please tell us about the personnel meetings you've attended at Cowboys HQ over the years.

"I haven't read anything on the internet about it, so it never happened."
Are you just being rude on purpose. Are you just not paying attention. You’re right you never read about it so it didn’t happen. We never not signed a player we Wanted.. The ignorance of some.
 

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Of course we do. We’ve never not signed anybody we wanted. That’s since I can remember. If we wanted Byron he be here
Far be it from me to directly contradict. I guess you could just place me in the "I'm not so certain" category.
Not like it's really a big deal.
 

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Far be it from me to directly contradict. I guess you could just place me in the "I'm not so certain" category.
Not like it's really a big deal.
My only Point is. I’ve never seen the salary can’t be an issue for this franchise. I think it’s a blown out conspiracy from the fans. We’ve always been able to extend rewrite a contract whatever it took.
 

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My only Point is. I’ve never seen the salary can’t be an issue for this franchise. I think it’s a blown out conspiracy from the fans. We’ve always been able to extend rewrite a contract whatever it took.
I completely understand your point. I'm just not as certain about it as you are.
Not arguing. I get it. I get where you're coming from.
 

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Tell me one player the franchise didn’t go after because of the salary cap. Not the fans the franchise
There are too many to count. And I'm not really getting your logic in this.

During Romo's time, we were in such bad cap hades that Jerry had to beg Romo to restructure his contract just to get under the cap. And that wasn't to sign anyone, that was just to avoid the penalties for going over.

You are simply wrong on this one. I really don't understand how you can convince yourself of this, to tell the truth.
 
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