Zeke is easily the best player on this team

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I replied before your admission. YOU try catching up.





I'm not sure who you think you're fooling. We get alerts when someone replies to our comments and I made both of those admissions before I got the notice of your reply where I replied to try catching up. Now if you're saying that somehow when I get alerts a minute after making a comment that for your comment they waited before notifying me that would be hard to believe.
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Easy to say after that game, but he also has duds.

He'll be making triple Zeke per year starting next year.
We'd blow the money on another lawrence or jaylon, so that 15 a year for consistenly the best back in the league isn't so bad.
Zeke has gotten paid since he was drafted 5 years ago. Dak barely got paid this year and for only this year. Why are you complaining? Dak is much more important since he runs the show on the field. All other QBs are paid. Why not Dak?
 

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Zeke has gotten paid since he was drafted 5 years ago. Dak barely got paid this year and for only this year. Why are you complaining? Dak is much more important since he runs the show on the field. All other QBs are paid. Why not Dak?
Idc how much dak makes, pay him.

Idc how much Zeke makes, pay him.

Y'all sorry too much they make and try to discredit their play/value with contract talk.
 

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Idc how much dak makes, pay him.

Idc how much Zeke makes, pay him.

Y'all sorry too much they make and try to discredit their play/value with contract talk.
I don't. Dak has proven his worth. He deserves to get paid, unlike other players already getting paid.
 

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Zeke is one of only a handful of running backs that can really take defenders for a punishing ride. He also is a good blocker and can catch the ball.

I am not stating he is the best player on the team but certainly one of the best.
There's plenty RBs that can do that lol. Also Zeke hasn't taken anyone for a ride in years.

Yall need to start watching other teams.
 

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lol. 4.2 ypc thru 2 games. 2 td's, 2 fumbles. How is that ridiculous to mention that? No need to hate on me just because I posted facts. Chill. And I haven't missed watching a game since prob the 80's btw.
4.2 ypc is in the territory of the RBs Romo had in which it was popular to say “we had no running game”. The only difference is we keep feeding Zeke. And it is not even like people can claim Zeke is drawing all the attention. He has ran against a stacked box twice in the first 2 games.

If Zeke sat these first 2 weeks and Pollard performed the exact same way, Zeke fans would be blasting him for the performance the same way they blasted Morris for his performance in the 6 games Zeke had to sit during the 2017 season.
 

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4.2 ypc is in the territory of the RBs Romo had in which it was popular to say “we had no running game”. The only difference is we keep feeding Zeke. And it is not even like people can claim Zeke is drawing all the attention. He has ran against a stacked box twice in the first 2 games.

If Zeke sat these first 2 weeks and Pollard performed the exact same way, Zeke fans would be blasting him for the performance the same way they blasted Morris for his performance in the 6 games Zeke had to sit during the 2017 season.
Pollard, in my opinion, has been a disappointment with how he was supposed to be this return game savior.
 

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Pollard, in my opinion, has been a disappointment with how he was supposed to be this return game savior.
Agreed. Bad decisions to bring that ball out of the end zone. It risks injury, turnover, and penalties jist to start out with worse field position than taking a knee.
 

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Pollard, in my opinion, has been a disappointment with how he was supposed to be this return game savior.
was watching that link from seatle game 2014 and Dunbar before his injury was pollard, watch that game, before pollard ie Pollards not as special as some are trying to make him..solid layer maybe needs to be used more but Coaches know who he is and hes not getting ton of snaps, so its enough for me to know hes good player but not great. Complement backs are dime a dozen IMHO
 
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Zeke has gotten paid since he was drafted 5 years ago. Dak barely got paid this year and for only this year. Why are you complaining? Dak is much more important since he runs the show on the field. All other QBs are paid. Why not Dak?
Are you kidding? Because he wouldn't take a fair contract.
 

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It is true, though. Zeke’s really valuable in pass protection. He’s an underrated threat in the passing game, too. Like I said, he’s an all around great player. We hit on the pick. That’s important. But the opportunity cost was the chance at hitting on a player at a much more valuable position. And the replacement cost on RB just isn’t that high.

There are roles for TEs who can block and slot backs who can break tackles and impact the passing game on every team in the NFL. That isn’t an issue in Dallas just because we also committed to spending too much draft capital and cap on a RB.
First totally respect your overall board value here and your take.

I was against drafting Zeke at 4. Wildly against it. Thought Jaylon Ramsey was 100% the Cowboys choice.

But that's a bit different than saying RB have no value or replacement value is low. It's really not.
Sure you can get a couple good seasons out of the average mid 2nd rounder.
But in a guy like Zeke you are getting consistent performance for much longer.
No waiting game on him to develop in an area like say Derrick Henry or Christian McCaffrey and no quick drop off like say Todd Gurley.
He's been a workhorse, a great blocker, dependable in every facet of the game.

RB specifically has become labeled as "low value" while NFL team after team has laughed at that and set new marks for pay in the last 16 months.
And those teams are built around those guys in many ways.
Even in Dallas as we shift from run first to pass we still build around Zeke's pass blocking.
On every throw of 20 plus yards it seems Zeke has his hat in a dude's chest.
And outside Aaron Donald he has handled every guy.

It's like the NBA saying C is of low value but then the final four teams include two surprises and both those teams excellent Centers in Joker and Bam.

BALT has bucked NFL trends and become a running team. So has TENN. Those teams are constant playoff threats until someone can stop their running games.

8 teams currently average less than 100 yards rushing per game.
There are no 2-0 teams with that distinction.
0-2 teams NYG, PHI, CIN, ATL. NYJ, HOU
1-1 WFT, NO

If DAL gets 85 yards rushing per game over 16 weeks and top notch blocking from Zeke they will go to the playoffs imho.
 

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was watching that link from seatle game 2014 and Dunbar before his injury was pollard, watch that game, before pollard ie Pollards not as special as some are trying to make him..solid layer maybe needs to be used more but Coaches know who he is and hes not getting ton of snaps, so its enough for me to know hes good player but not great. Complement backs are dime a dozen IMHO
He got blown up as a very good returner. He dances too much instead of gaining yards forward. I just wouldn't draft players for that reason in this day & age. Just start at the 25 on kick offs. And I think Lamb is better on punts. I do like Pollard as a RB, but he's just not an every down RB.
 

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First totally respect your overall board value here and your take.

I was against drafting Zeke at 4. Wildly against it. Thought Jaylon Ramsey was 100% the Cowboys choice.

But that's a bit different than saying RB have no value or replacement value is low. It's really not.
Sure you can get a couple good seasons out of the average mid 2nd rounder.
But in a guy like Zeke you are getting consistent performance for much longer.
No waiting game on him to develop in an area like say Derrick Henry or Christian McCaffrey and no quick drop off like say Todd Gurley.
He's been a workhorse, a great blocker, dependable in every facet of the game.

RB specifically has become labeled as "low value" while NFL team after team has laughed at that and set new marks for pay in the last 16 months.
And those teams are built around those guys in many ways.
Even in Dallas as we shift from run first to pass we still build around Zeke's pass blocking.
On every throw of 20 plus yards it seems Zeke has his hat in a dude's chest.
And outside Aaron Donald he has handled every guy.

It's like the NBA saying C is of low value but then the final four teams include two surprises and both those teams excellent Centers in Joker and Bam.

BALT has bucked NFL trends and become a running team. So has TENN. Those teams are constant playoff threats until someone can stop their running games.

8 teams currently average less than 100 yards rushing per game.
There are no 2-0 teams with that distinction.
0-2 teams NYG, PHI, CIN, ATL. NYJ, HOU
1-1 WFT, NO

If DAL gets 85 yards rushing per game over 16 weeks and top notch blocking from Zeke they will go to the playoffs imho.
Well said.

I still find it shocking how many people not only fell for this hoopla, but won't let the though go. Meanwhile, Belly keeps drafting RB's.

The value in a RB is the guy who can get something out of nothing. It's when the chips are down and there's nowhere to go, but the guy still gets 2-3 yards. That's the guy you want on your super bowl teams. That's why a guy like Blount, who did nothing else at a high level, keeps winning super bowls. Meanwhile, the flashy types(Barkley, anyone?) keep filling the highlight reels and making fans slobber.
 

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Zeke was possibly the best player in football as a rookie. He is not the same player. He is a good player. We are barely 1-1. As previously stated he is averaging 4.2 YPC with 2 fumbles. If he were making 3-4 million per year or a 4th round pick on a rookie deal I would say we are getting pretty good value. If you are a major Zeke fan that is great. Cheer him on and support him. I will too. Convince me he is any where close to rookie Zeke and you be dreaming.

As a point of reference, after two games in his rookie season, Elliott ran for 50 yards less than he has in 2020, and in a similar twist to his rookie season, he fumbled twice in his second game (just as he did against Washington in 2016).
 

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First totally respect your overall board value here and your take.

I was against drafting Zeke at 4. Wildly against it. Thought Jaylon Ramsey was 100% the Cowboys choice.

But that's a bit different than saying RB have no value or replacement value is low. It's really not.
Sure you can get a couple good seasons out of the average mid 2nd rounder.
But in a guy like Zeke you are getting consistent performance for much longer.

No waiting game on him to develop in an area like say Derrick Henry or Christian McCaffrey and no quick drop off like say Todd Gurley.
He's been a workhorse, a great blocker, dependable in every facet of the game.

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This angle is too often ignored in these discussions. Does anyone here think Aaron Rodgers would still be sitting on one ring if he had a back like Zeke in the backfield all these years instead of the 35 different backs he has handed off to? If you can get a hall of fame caliber player you take him no matter what position. If Zeke plays for the Cowboys for 10 years his production will allow the Cowboys to pretty much ignore that position in the draft/free agency for the entirety of his run. As long as the front office hits on those picks then the strategy is sound. People get to hung up on paying this position but not that one. It doesn't matter who you pay or don't pay what matters is how they play. IMHO there is no difference between paying Zeke 15 million a year and getting great production from young draftees on the defense or other positions or paying a couple of defenders 15 million a year and getting great production from a young RB. I really don't care. It's not my money. I like the continuity Zeke brings to the RB position but I grew up on Dorsett and then Emmitt. But I also grew up on Too Tall, Harvey and Manster. When the salary cap was implemented I said goodbye to teams having a dominant defense AND a dominant offense. It's just not possible. We have chosen to load up on offense. Some teams have loaded up on defense.

RB specifically has become labeled as "low value" while NFL team after team has laughed at that and set new marks for pay in the last 16 months.
And those teams are built around those guys in many ways.
Even in Dallas as we shift from run first to pass we still build around Zeke's pass blocking.
On every throw of 20 plus yards it seems Zeke has his hat in a dude's chest.
And outside Aaron Donald he has handled every guy.

It's like the NBA saying C is of low value but then the final four teams include two surprises and both those teams excellent Centers in Joker and Bam.

BALT has bucked NFL trends and become a running team. So has TENN. Those teams are constant playoff threats until someone can stop their running games.

8 teams currently average less than 100 yards rushing per game.
There are no 2-0 teams with that distinction.
0-2 teams NYG, PHI, CIN, ATL. NYJ, HOU
1-1 WFT, NO

If DAL gets 85 yards rushing per game over 16 weeks and top notch blocking from Zeke they will go to the playoffs imho.

Didn't they get that last year? I think the key is whether Dak dials back the agressiveness/carelessness with the ball we saw last year and takes care of the ball the way he did his rookie year but throws for almost as many TDs as he did last year. If Dak throws 30 TDs and 5 or 6 INTs .. we shall be watching Cowboys football well into January!
 

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Only 4 years in but its fun watching the names he's already passing on the all-time rushing list.
Last week it was Reggie Bush and Jim Morris.
He and Gurley were neck and neck, but's pulling away, as expected.
Stay healthy and he should be way up there some day....but there's a very loooong ways to go.
 

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They got 84.x ypg from Zeke:)

So basically just a tiny bit improvement which we have seen thus far would tilt things from 8-8 to 9-7 and in IMHO.
With an injured Dak over 2-3 key weeks late last year I sure would have liked a 100% Zeke.
 

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Zeke has gotten paid since he was drafted 5 years ago. Dak barely got paid this year and for only this year. Why are you complaining? Dak is much more important since he runs the show on the field. All other QBs are paid. Why not Dak?
dak will be paid almost triple what zeke will be paid this season. he's catching up in a hurry.
 
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