Too many holes on OL and Defense to pay Dak

[Slick]

Rocket arm. Primetime choke artist.

Bingo! Just like Romo

 

[CowboyoWales]

Why don't you people just come clean and tell us the real reason you would take just about any QB over Dak.
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I would say they post it to wind you up.

I think there are a fair few of us that can see the realistic picture in the next few years.

1) With or without Dak, this team isnt going to win any NFCC games let alone SB's
2) Our CAP is chronic for seasons 2021/2022....and at the moment we are last in CAP for 2023
3) If we sign Dak for 3 years at or around $40m we will have nothing to improve the worst Defense in football and an O-Line which needs depth to take care of the health concerns
4) Fan's shout about the draft, but as we know this is hit and miss - maybe count on your first, but the rest will need time.eg Travon Diggs hardly setting the world alight.
5) Dak is good, but he's not a massive difference maker that overcomes all of the above.
6) Restructuring contracts has continually got us in trouble - fans say we should of spent when Dak was on his rookie deal.....well when we still paying a retired/restrutured Romo it was difficult.
7) We arent going to find a better QB in the next couple of years, but I wouldnt even be looking (unless Lawrence/Fields/Lance or were available in the draft). As the main reason for all of this is We are not going to compete in the next 3 years and so there's no point in paying a QB $40m in a vain attempt to get to the playoffs and get beaten in the first round.
8) I would of liked us to draft a Micah Parsons, to help stop the run, but after seeing us concede over 200 yards against the No-Namers I realize that we wont be able to turn this Defense around - with no CAP Space or one or two rookies.

 

[CowboyoWales]

What needs to be rebuilt on the OL?
Smith and Collins will be back next year. Though they need to look at Smith's replacement. But do not need to spend a 1st round pick, unless one drops to us and is BPA such as Lamb was. Biadasz will be better with experience he is getting this wasted season. Martin will still be there. Then it is just who plays LG, Williams improves, or does McGovern the over.
None of this impacts the cap.

Defense is more scheme than players. Yes, we need a lot of work on defense. But that needs to come from the draft, not high paid FA's.

We need to be able to rotate the O-Line to lessen the strain. There's so much money invested in that O-Line for the next 4 years we need to make sure they are healthy.

Defense is more about having PLAYERS who are able to play systems. A basic defense shouldnt have allowed the No-Namers to run for over 200 yards when theyve been averaging just 80. The personnel we have just isnt good enough and we've not got any D-Line going into 2021.

 

[nightrain]

You can't start a rebuild with a $30M+ plus QB in his prime and nothing around him. The Cowboys should start moving the players who they will get good draft capital for, but Jones will #$@! up any chance to turn picks into a sensible roster.

Guarantee the idiot would get good picks for Gallup and Lamb and proceed to draft WRs and RBs in the subsequent draft. I wish that turd would go on a cruise to nowhere and stay there.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We simply have too many holes to pay Dak 35+ mill a year. We need to rebuild our OL and Defense. We might as well rebuild at the QB position as well.

its not about the money. what faith do you have in Jones' to be able to find and pay the right players? there was obviously enough money to pay Collins, Smith, Jaylon, Lawrence, enough to pay Poe, MccCoy, Crawford, griffin . enough to pay Zeke (ugh), Cooper.

but for the $64M to Jaylon and 20m/year to Lawrence and 9 M for crawford we are getting next to nothing.... less than nothing.

so even if we don't sign Dak and go with Danucci....do you have faith in this GM to sign the right players?

half the board here was clamouring and celebrating us signing Poe and Mccoy....how did that turn out..

at least with Dak we were competitive....now, we just plain suck

 

[CowboyoWales]

Nope.....look it up.

Which you should've done prior to posting.......for someone else.

www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/redzone-passing.htm

2020 = 55% comp - 22nd of all QB's to throw over 1 completion

www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/redzone-passing.htm

2019 = 52.46% comp = 25th of all QB's to throw over 10 completions.

 

[Seven]

www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/redzone-passing.htm

2020 = 55% comp - 22nd of all QB's to throw over 1 completion

www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/redzone-passing.htm

2019 = 52.46% comp = 25th of all QB's to throw over 10 completions.

Touchdown percentage overall. NOT cherry picking. Touchdowns matter overall, right? And if your QB can then it in as well.......bonus.

Right?

I'm leading you..........will you follow?

 

[CowboyoWales]

its not about the money. what faith do you have in Jones' to be able to find and pay the right players? there was obviously enough money to pay Collins, Smith, Jaylon, Lawrence, enough to pay Poe, MccCoy, Crawford, griffin . enough to pay Zeke (ugh), Cooper.

but for the $64M to Jaylon and 20m/year to Lawrence and 9 M for crawford we are getting next to nothing.... less than nothing.

so even if we don't sign Dak and go with Danucci....do you have faith in this GM to sign the right players?

half the board here was clamouring and celebrating us signing Poe and Mccoy....how did that turn out..

at least with Dak we were competitive....now, we just plain suck

Sorry, but your first sentence is just wrong... it's ALL about the money.

We've found money to pay "Collins, Smith, Jaylon, Lawrence, enough to pay Poe, MccCoy, Crawford, griffin . enough to pay Zeke (ugh), Cooper.", by RESTRUCTURING badly, and pushing payments to end the end of the contract. Check the CAP increases next year.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Touchdown percentage overall. NOT cherry picking. Touchdowns matter overall, right? And if your QB can then it in as well.......bonus.

Right?

I'm leading you..........will you follow?

Well he was 13th in TD's in the RZ in 2019, a year he was supposedly a top 3 QB.

I think that's match point.

 

[xwalker]

We simply have too many holes to pay Dak 35+ mill a year. We need to rebuild our OL and Defense. We might as well rebuild at the QB position as well.

Comical statement after seeing 2 games without Dak.

They were averaging 32.2 points/game with Dak.

They have averaged 6.5 points/game with Dalton.

They were 2nd in the league in scoring.


The past 2 games have shown that they can't afford NOT to re-sign Dak...

 

[CowboyoWales]

half the board here was clamouring and celebrating us signing Poe and Mccoy....how did that turn out..

at least with Dak we were competitive....now, we just plain suck

Poe and McCoy were signed as they were bottom of the barrel leftovers. Yes we liked them, however, they were what was left at the price we could pay.

Winning the NFC Least with little chance of winning one play-off game is not competing.

We need to accept that we arent going to compete and rebuild around the draft until we can run down those poor contracts.

 

[MaineBoy]

The Cowboys aren't going to fix all the holes on offense and defense in one draft and then no Prescott means that they also won;t have the QB that has taken the Cowboys to be the #1 offense in the NFL too. So ya you're idea just adds more problems to have to fix. Ideas like that will keep the Cowboys down for longer not shorter.
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It’s not even about Dak. This team sucks and needs to be rebuilt. And Jerry and Steven will be doing the rebuilding again. If we pay Dak we get maybe 2 more wins a season....6-10 instead of a cheaper qb that gets us 4-12. Any QB behind this OL and with this defense is doomed. By the time this team ever gets decent again under the Joneses, Dak will be old and beat up. Another wasted career. Save the money and Daks career.

 

[thechosen1n2]

We have too many holes..let's get rid of our best player who plays the most important position in all of sports


Brilliant

Maybe 2nd Best player If you count Martin and and their respective league position ranking.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Comical statement after seeing 2 games without Dak.

They were averaging 32.2 points/game with Dak.

They have averaged 6.5 points/game with Dalton.

They were 2nd in the league in scoring.


The past 2 games have shown that they can't afford NOT to re-sign Dak...

Because winning the NFC Least is a real achievement.

Lets get real, we are years away from competing, maybe pick up Dak when he's available in 2024.

 

[Reid1boys]

We simply have too many holes to pay Dak 35+ mill a year. We need to rebuild our OL and Defense. We might as well rebuild at the QB position as well.

is that what the seahawks did? Russel went to them and said , hey, I want x amount of dollars. Thats it. We will not negotiate. Just pay me or dont. Seahawks just started letting people go and that defense went from premier to crap in 2 years. The seahawks have the qb... its much easier to draft oline and de line to build around the qb than it is to try and land your qb.

After watching how quickly our offense went to total crap.... yeah, im converted. Dak is clearly our guy. You pay him, and then you build around him, not the other way around. We can get rid of Tyrone, hes done, get rid of Zeke, as the rest of the league has shown you can get Rbs much easier.... and we already have Pollard who has shown me nothing that makes me think he cant be very good.

Regardless.... you do not let the qb go, and the Cowboys have made it very clear, Dak is the guy in Dallas.

 

[Seven]

Well he was 13th in TD's in the RZ in 2019, a year he was supposedly a top 3 QB.

I think that's match point.

13th? Who was ahead of him that is supposedly in the top 3?

BTW.......who said he was top 3? I didn't.

I think you're that you're high.

Match point.... You're looking in the mirror right now, aren't you?

 

[Chuck 54]

We simply have too many holes to pay Dak 35+ mill a year. We need to rebuild our OL and Defense. We might as well rebuild at the QB position as well.

Defense...yes, the whole ting is a hole, but the OL has no openings.
The guards and a backup are in place. We have two young OTs getting experience that will make them acceptable backups, and surely you don’t think Dallas is going to draft a new LT or RT....that’s not even a reasonable thought. Won’t happen. Plus we have our new Center. Next year’s OL is set, and it won’t change.

 

[RonnieT24]

I would say they post it to wind you up.

I think there are a fair few of us that can see the realistic picture in the next few years.

1) With or without Dak, this team isnt going to win any NFCC games let alone SB's
2) Our CAP is chronic for seasons 2021/2022....and at the moment we are last in CAP for 2023
3) If we sign Dak for 3 years at or around $40m we will have nothing to improve the worst Defense in football and an O-Line which needs depth to take care of the health concerns
4) Fan's shout about the draft, but as we know this is hit and miss - maybe count on your first, but the rest will need time.eg Travon Diggs hardly setting the world alight.
5) Dak is good, but he's not a massive difference maker that overcomes all of the above.
6) Restructuring contracts has continually got us in trouble - fans say we should of spent when Dak was on his rookie deal.....well when we still paying a retired/restrutured Romo it was difficult.
7) We arent going to find a better QB in the next couple of years, but I wouldnt even be looking (unless Lawrence/Fields/Lance or were available in the draft). As the main reason for all of this is We are not going to compete in the next 3 years and so there's no point in paying a QB $40m in a vain attempt to get to the playoffs and get beaten in the first round.
8) I would of liked us to draft a Micah Parsons, to help stop the run, but after seeing us concede over 200 yards against the No-Namers I realize that we wont be able to turn this Defense around - with no CAP Space or one or two rookies.

If riling me up is the goal they're going to be sorely disappointed. Nothing on the internet riles me up.. Hell almost nothing in real life riles me up. I'm not really that guy.

We are in agreement that signing Dak to a 3 year deal would be the death knell to this team's chances as it would cause his cap hit to kill us. However I don't believe anyone here is advocating for that. Those who want to keep Dak want to sign him to nothing short of 5 years. That signing will allow a good deal of flexibility under the cap at least for '21 and '22. I don't agree that this team can't compete over the next three years. Three playmakers on defense with this explosive offense is 12 wins a year. We just have to get the defense right .. The depth on the o-line is actually getting taken care of this year. All the kids who are getting their heads beat in this season will be that much further along next year when the varsity gets back. Hope is all we have at this point..

 

[CowboyoWales]

If riling me up is the goal they're going to be sorely disappointed. Nothing on the internet riles me up.. Hell almost nothing in real life riles me up. I'm not really that guy.

We are in agreement that signing Dak to a 3 year deal would be the death knell to this team's chances as it would cause his cap hit to kill us. However I don't believe anyone here is advocating for that. Those who want to keep Dak want to sign him to nothing short of 5 years. That signing will allow a good deal of flexibility under the cap at least for '21 and '22. I don't agree that this team can't compete over the next three years. Three playmakers on defense with this explosive offense is 12 wins a year. We just have to get the defense right .. The depth on the o-line is actually getting taken care of this year. All the kids who are getting their heads beat in this season will be that much further along next year when the varsity gets back. Hope is all we have at this point..

We are in total agreement (on no to 3 and yes to 5). I suppose there's the issue of the polarized fringe that say "pay Dak what he wants (3 years)" and on the other side "Anyone but Dak".

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Sorry, but your first sentence is just wrong... it's ALL about the money.

We've found money to pay "Collins, Smith, Jaylon, Lawrence, enough to pay Poe, MccCoy, Crawford, griffin . enough to pay Zeke (ugh), Cooper.", by RESTRUCTURING badly, and pushing payments to end the end of the contract. Check the CAP increases next year.

but that was my point....because we paid Dak 31M, it didn't mean we couldn't sign other big contracts. in fact we did. however they are not paying off......its bad signings.......that's the key, sign some impact players with 64M or 20M/year contracts....we got 2 sacks in the past 15 games for that money....let that sink in