I got pulled off the Prescott fence

phildadon86

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I notice the same group of guys who are pro pay Dak are the same guys that like to name call..

Im fine with it but it really speaks to the intelligence level when you stoop to middle school tactics to prove a point.
I wouldnt be comparing IQ points considering your endorsement of Andy Dalton.
 

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Nice post OP. Couldn’t agree more and I was the same. I can be quoted in here 900 times saying “I like Dak, I don’t love Dak.”

I was wrong. I love Dak.
I hope we get a high draft pick—trade it for multiple pics and get strong along the trenches. Give Dak a chance.

I’m a fan now.

Heal up #4, come back strong.

Jerry / Stephen— please god don’t screw this up again. (Again again again again......)
 

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Believe it or not, I like and agree w/ both of you.

Dak's leadership is top of the heap. However, he's not as good as Mahomes or Wilson.

My first comparison to Dak was Steve McNair(RIP). I stand by that comparison and I think it's the closest one.

It's an apt comp but I think Dak is better. McNair threw picks at a slightly higher rate.. 2.6 to 1.7. He also played with MUCH better defenses and as such was asked to manage the game more. Dak was in that mode his first two years but what he has been asked to do has ramped up considerably .. Also while I would agree that Dak is not as good as Mahomes, Wilson or Rodgers.. he's improving at a faster rate than any of those guys.. Probably because he had the lowest starting point as a passer than any of them. He needed three years of coaching to become a true NFL passer. He was supposed to get get while watching Romo.. obviously that didn't happen. But I think we need to quit judging him against guys who came into the league already light years ahead of him. He's playing catch up.. but the fact remains.. he IS catching up.. Which we should all be excited about. Well at least if you don't just hate him as our QB on sight.
 

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Yup. And there is no drop off from Dak to Dalton right?

I’ve always said Dak was better..

Ive always said Dalton can get Dak like results..

Was I wrong about Dalton? No.. I have a whole career of his to know he will not be the difference between winning and losing.. Just like with Dak.

We are a terrible team.. We were terrible with Dak. Now we’re terrible with Dalton.

Dalton, like Dak, is about the team 4th or 5th problem at best.
 

phildadon86

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I’ve always said Dak was better..

Ive always said Dalton can get Dak like results..

Was I wrong about Dalton? No.. I have a whole career of his to know he will not be the difference between winning and losing.. Just like with Dak.

We are a terrible team.. We were terrible with Dak. No we’re terrible with Dalton.

Dalton, like Dak, is about the team 4th or 5th problem at best.

Where are the Dak like results? You were wrong man and whats worse is you cant even admit it.
 

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Well.. Were 1-4 with Dak.. He had won 6 of his last 17 as our starter.

Only difference is Dak’s losses looked better because he’s better player?
Ohhhhh so wins and losses are QB stats now? Not team stats? If our defensive TEAM could stop anyone we would have been 4-1 under Dak. Dalton couldn't even hit 50 yards passing in a half of football. Name me a time when Dak had that poor of an outing. You cant. Dak like results would be 400 plus yards and 3 touchdowns.
 

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Blake Bell, Dalton Schultz, and Sean McKeon are your TE's.
While admittedly I was surprised, Schultz has actually done very well stepping up after the injury to Jarwin. And speaking of Jarwin, he will be back next year and in that mix.
 

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Good post. No one can say that Dak is not true leader and he rallies guys around him. Dak has unquestionable intangibles that no can teach. I like that in a qb and also why I like Dak. I am on the fence still due to where will be drafting in spring.
His leadership has always been spoken about very highly. The only place I have ever seen his leadership questioned has been on this message board. Posters even mocked "intangibles" here. Was always mind boggling to me.
 

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I notice the same group of guys who are pro pay Dak are the same guys that like to name call..

Im fine with it but it really speaks to the intelligence level when you stoop to middle school tactics to prove a point.

You kinda just did name call in a roundabout way. Hypocrisy thy name is you.
 

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Sure the team needs a leader. But lets not pretend this was a good team even with Dak healthy. They were 8-8 last year and looked like they were headed in the same direction prior to the injury. So, the question is can you improve the team enough with a QB making 35-40 million per year? This is a 4 win team without Dak, but its only an 8 win team with him.
 

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Sure the team needs a leader. But lets not pretend this was a good team even with Dak healthy. They were 8-8 last year and looked like they were headed in the same direction prior to the injury. So, the question is can you improve the team enough with a QB making 35-40 million per year? This is a 4 win team without Dak, but its only an 8 win team with him.


Well if you improve every single thing on the team then and only then will we know if Dak is worth all that money.
 

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Yeah, I know, another Dak thread but I have been squarely on that fence with him for quite some time and was 50/50 on whether to keep him or go shopping but I underestimated one element of his game, the one that can't be argued here regardless of your opinion of him as a passer.

I've watched him since he was a junior and the one thing that was apparent was his leadership which is impressive when you consider he didn't win that job, he won the backup job. Then he comes to Dallas and becomes the starter form the 3rd QB position and immediately takes over as if he belonged there. Because in his mind, he has always belonged there. He accepts and fulfills the role of leadership as well as any player in the NFL.

My problem has been underestimating the value of leadership, I want that guy with the big arm too or a QB that plays like Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson and I guess I can add Burrow, Herbert and Murray to that list.

But if I ever got a lesson on the real value of leadership, I had to look no further than the Cowboys when the heart, soul and fight of this team went down. The team went on life support when their leader went down.

I didn't get pushed off that fence, Dak pulled me off of it. That shot of him, tears in his eyes, about to lose it wasn't for himself, it was for the team that he would not be there to lead. He knew he was the only one to lead them back from deficits at half time and I have seen something I didn't think I would see since he retired. The Staubach Effect.

Roger had the Captain Comeback title because of a unique skill he had, he could make others believe. He didn't make those comebacks on his own, he lifted his team and they lifted him because of one simple fact, they believed. Dak Prescott has that.

I think the difference he makes is evident and easily identifiable. Gallup doesn't drop that pass if it's from Dak, Lamb doesn't have those drops if those passes are from him and even the defense plays harder because they believe he will not give up or give in.......as they unfortunately did, I don't think this talk of unrest even starts up if he is there.

Want to really appreciate someone or some thing? Lose them, even for a short period of time because only then do you see the picture without them in it. And this wasn't a really pretty picture with him in it but it is downright ugly now.

There is no longer any doubt about Dak Prescott in my mind, he is the man and I've never seen one team miss one player like this in all my years. He is worth whatever they have to pay him. What an oddity, Dak has increased his value through his absence.
The flaw in your thinking is that Tony Romo was not considered a leader by many here. Remember how the team was without Tony? Outside of Kitna saving us one year, I don't think we did that well. Oh, and I'd take Kitna over Dalton any day.
 

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Sure the team needs a leader. But lets not pretend this was a good team even with Dak healthy. They were 8-8 last year and looked like they were headed in the same direction prior to the injury. So, the question is can you improve the team enough with a QB making 35-40 million per year? This is a 4 win team without Dak, but its only an 8 win team with him.

I disagree .. first of all this team aint winnin no 4 games with the QB play it has been getting since Dak went down. It's scoring 6.5 points a game. You aint beatin nobody with that level of offensive ineptness. Likewise with Dak it was putting up 33 points a game. Even if the defense stayed at the level it was they were probably beating the G-men again, the Football team twice, Cincy and splitting with Philthy. That was going to be 7 wins. Then you factor in getting LVE, Lee and Chido back and I think there is reason to believe the defense was going to starting shutting teams down.. You know holding them to under 28 .. LOL! I think that was going to be good enough to beat the Vikings and maybe steal one against the banged up Niners. I also think that if the offense had been able to not poop its pants against AZ that was a win too. The D had gotten three stops early and had the offense put 10 points ( or God forbid 14) on the board while that was going on it completely changes the game. It would have shifted the focus from our historically bad run D and made Murray beat you with his arm. Given how off he was for most of the night I like my chances in that scenario far better than I do trying to stop the run..
 
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