I got pulled off the Prescott fence

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So you've let emotion make your decision and not the lack of post season results over the past 5 seasons with him as the QB?

So now we just become the fighting Dak's and parade Dak around while maintaining mediocrity because of 2016 and he was a great leader?

I'll pass.. I want championships.. I don't care who is winning them for us.

I just don't want to be mediocre.

Look at the two playoff games Dak lost vs Green Bay and the Rams.

The defense was total trash in both games, giving up TDs on the first 3 drives vs the Packers and over 250 yards rushing vs the Rams. Not to mention a FG in 20 seconds after Dak tied it up.

Playoff success matters, but a QB can only cover up so much.
 

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I disagree .. first of all this team aint winnin no 4 games with the QB play it has been getting since Dak went down. It's scoring 6.5 points a game. You aint beatin nobody with that level of offensive ineptness. Likewise with Dak it was putting up 33 points a game. Even if the defense stayed at the level it was they were probably beating the G-men again, the Football team twice, Cincy and splitting with Philthy. That was going to be 7 wins. Then you factor in getting LVE, Lee and Chido back and I think there is reason to believe the defense was going to starting shutting teams down.. You know holding them to under 28 .. LOL! I think that was going to be good enough to beat the Vikings and maybe steal one against the banged up Niners. I also think that if the offense had been able to not poop its pants against AZ that was a win too. The D had gotten three stops early and had the offense put 10 points ( or God forbid 14) on the board while that was going on it completely changes the game. It would have shifted the focus from our historically bad run D and made Murray beat you with his arm. Given how off he was for most of the night I like my chances in that scenario far better than I do trying to stop the run..

Dak was putting up big numbers when the team was already down multiple scores against defenses trying to keep the clock moving. He's put up a lot of stats when the game was already out of reach. So, lets look to last year when he was healthy. 8-8.

Chido sucks.
Lee is at the end
LVE hasn't been good since his rookie year.


The problem is you see the roster through rose colored glasses. The evidence your wrong is on display every week. Enjoy.
 

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McNabb was a better player.

McNabb was a big play machine. I can't stand him though.. One of my most all time hated players.

Our division was terrible at that time too. He did get to a Superbowl though.

Merton Hanks, Shockey, McNabb. I'm sure im forgetting some.
 

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I’ve always said Dak was better..

Ive always said Dalton can get Dak like results..

Was I wrong about Dalton? No.. I have a whole career of his to know he will not be the difference between winning and losing.. Just like with Dak.

We are a terrible team.. We were terrible with Dak. Now we’re terrible with Dalton.

Dalton, like Dak, is about the team 4th or 5th problem at best.

If he’s the 4th or 5th problem on the lust why would they try to get the number pick to replace him? Might as well focus on problem #1 the defense!
 

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Look at the two playoff games Dak lost vs Green Bay and the Rams.

The defense was total trash in both games, giving up TDs on the first 3 drives vs the Packers and over 250 yards rushing vs the Rams. Not to mention a FG in 20 seconds after Dak tied it up.

Playoff success matters, but a QB can only cover up so much.

I agree.. Now we couldn't provide him what he needed while on that rookie deal.

Now he wants 40 million a year and we've gotten worse everywhere and there is a lot of high salary guys on the team.

So he has to either overcome or we just pay him and accept that we suck and can't provide all he needs.
 

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I’m beginning to go in the opposite direction, but it has nothing to do with Dak. I’ve always been a big Dak supporter and I have no doubt he can win a Super Bowl. I’ve always wanted him to be signed long term. But, this team seems so far from being a true contender now that I’m not sure investing that much money in Dak would be good for either side. IF, and it’s a big if, we were to end up with the number one pick, it might be best to draft Lawerence and let Dak walk. It would save us a ton of cap space and allow us to shore up the defense. On the other hand, we could sign Dak and trade that # 1 draft spot for a lot of other draft picks to shore up the defense and Oline. Which way would you go? My guess is the answer would come down to whether you’re pro or anti Dak. I’m very pro Dak, but I don’t know which way I’d go given this scenario.
 

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Yeah, I know, another Dak thread but I have been squarely on that fence with him for quite some time and was 50/50 on whether to keep him or go shopping but I underestimated one element of his game, the one that can't be argued here regardless of your opinion of him as a passer.

I've watched him since he was a junior and the one thing that was apparent was his leadership which is impressive when you consider he didn't win that job, he won the backup job. Then he comes to Dallas and becomes the starter form the 3rd QB position and immediately takes over as if he belonged there. Because in his mind, he has always belonged there. He accepts and fulfills the role of leadership as well as any player in the NFL.

My problem has been underestimating the value of leadership, I want that guy with the big arm too or a QB that plays like Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson and I guess I can add Burrow, Herbert and Murray to that list.

But if I ever got a lesson on the real value of leadership, I had to look no further than the Cowboys when the heart, soul and fight of this team went down. The team went on life support when their leader went down.

I didn't get pushed off that fence, Dak pulled me off of it. That shot of him, tears in his eyes, about to lose it wasn't for himself, it was for the team that he would not be there to lead. He knew he was the only one to lead them back from deficits at half time and I have seen something I didn't think I would see since he retired. The Staubach Effect.

Roger had the Captain Comeback title because of a unique skill he had, he could make others believe. He didn't make those comebacks on his own, he lifted his team and they lifted him because of one simple fact, they believed. Dak Prescott has that.

I think the difference he makes is evident and easily identifiable. Gallup doesn't drop that pass if it's from Dak, Lamb doesn't have those drops if those passes are from him and even the defense plays harder because they believe he will not give up or give in.......as they unfortunately did, I don't think this talk of unrest even starts up if he is there.

Want to really appreciate someone or some thing? Lose them, even for a short period of time because only then do you see the picture without them in it. And this wasn't a really pretty picture with him in it but it is downright ugly now.

There is no longer any doubt about Dak Prescott in my mind, he is the man and I've never seen one team miss one player like this in all my years. He is worth whatever they have to pay him. What an oddity, Dak has increased his value through his absence.
That's funny I just got pulled onto the Zeke fence,,,,,,,,,
 

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If he’s the 4th or 5th problem on the lust why would they try to get the number pick to replace him? Might as well focus on problem #1 the defense!

Salary cap space which helps the entire team and much much higher upside as a player.

Dak provides a high floor but he doesn't impose his will on other teams. We play to our opponents level.

Lawrence has Pat Mahomes type of upside. He could be the worst QB ever but the upside is tremendous.
 

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I agree.. Now we couldn't provide him what he needed while on that rookie deal.

Now he wants 40 million a year and we've gotten worse everywhere and there is a lot of high salary guys on the team.

So he has to either overcome or we just pay him and accept that we suck and can't provide all he needs.

The reason they have gotten worse is the front office sucks.

Drafting an RB at #4 instead of an elite CB, reaching for Taco, paying Zeke, Cooper, Tank, and Jaylon while letting Byron Jones walk, ignoring the safety position for a decade.

They have made so many poor personal decisions, drafted poorly and spent money in the wrong places. Like Jerry, this team is all sizzle and flash, with little football substance.
 

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His leadership has always been spoken about very highly. The only place I have ever seen his leadership questioned has been on this message board. Posters even mocked "intangibles" here. Was always mind boggling to me.
I know and I would just shake my head when I see that. Prescott's leadership skills is something that a lot of players rally around. I like him as our qb but I will say that if we get a chance to get Lawrence (highly doubt it) I pulling the trigger although it would be still tough to let Dak go due to his intangibles. IMO, I think Lawrence just has a better skill set than Dak.
 

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The reason they have gotten worse is the front office sucks.

Drafting an RB at #4 instead of an elite CB, reaching for Taco, paying Zeke, Cooper, Tank, and Jaylon while letting Byron Jones walk, ignoring the safety position for a decade.

They have made so many poor personal decisions, drafted poorly and spent money in the wrong places. Like Jerry, this team is all sizzle and flash, with little football substance.
I agree with everything except Zeke. I don’t have a problem signing him. He just simply has no room to run with the Oline in a shambles. All the others were bad contracts.
 

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The problem is, this team needs so many pieces to be balanced on both sides of the ball, it is damn near impossible with what this FO has done.

First and foremost this team is a bunch of man babies. If anything, Dak not being there as their leader, should be pushing them to do better for him at least.
No... these guys suck. They sucked with or without Dak.

This team needs so much on both sides of the ball, I would be doing everything I could to get out of paying Dak, Zeke, Cooper, Dlaw, etc...

This team is finished for years.

You are fortunate enough, to be playing a game... a damn game, for insane money. But, you don't care enough to play the game.
These players make me sick... garbage.
 

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Yeah, I know, another Dak thread but I have been squarely on that fence with him for quite some time and was 50/50 on whether to keep him or go shopping but I underestimated one element of his game, the one that can't be argued here regardless of your opinion of him as a passer.

I've watched him since he was a junior and the one thing that was apparent was his leadership which is impressive when you consider he didn't win that job, he won the backup job. Then he comes to Dallas and becomes the starter form the 3rd QB position and immediately takes over as if he belonged there. Because in his mind, he has always belonged there. He accepts and fulfills the role of leadership as well as any player in the NFL.

My problem has been underestimating the value of leadership, I want that guy with the big arm too or a QB that plays like Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson and I guess I can add Burrow, Herbert and Murray to that list.

But if I ever got a lesson on the real value of leadership, I had to look no further than the Cowboys when the heart, soul and fight of this team went down. The team went on life support when their leader went down.

I didn't get pushed off that fence, Dak pulled me off of it. That shot of him, tears in his eyes, about to lose it wasn't for himself, it was for the team that he would not be there to lead. He knew he was the only one to lead them back from deficits at half time and I have seen something I didn't think I would see since he retired. The Staubach Effect.

Roger had the Captain Comeback title because of a unique skill he had, he could make others believe. He didn't make those comebacks on his own, he lifted his team and they lifted him because of one simple fact, they believed. Dak Prescott has that.

I think the difference he makes is evident and easily identifiable. Gallup doesn't drop that pass if it's from Dak, Lamb doesn't have those drops if those passes are from him and even the defense plays harder because they believe he will not give up or give in.......as they unfortunately did, I don't think this talk of unrest even starts up if he is there.

Want to really appreciate someone or some thing? Lose them, even for a short period of time because only then do you see the picture without them in it. And this wasn't a really pretty picture with him in it but it is downright ugly now.

There is no longer any doubt about Dak Prescott in my mind, he is the man and I've never seen one team miss one player like this in all my years. He is worth whatever they have to pay him. What an oddity, Dak has increased his value through his absence.

More than just leadership. The guy can throw. Tearing up the NFL. He took ANOTHER step beyond what I thought he was capable of this year when he was tearing it up with a bad Oline. Dak has turned out even better. Dak is now approaching elite status.
 

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Where are the Dak like results? You were wrong man and whats worse is you cant even admit it.

lol Dak detractors have been un-admitting. at least catch is not nearly as bad as pappypup and Khalidi and shabazz. My favorite denial comment thus far was @PAPPYDOG saying the other players are sabotaging Dalton cause they want Dak to look better(paraphrasing a bit). I mean that comment says it all
 

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Not really.

Daks not even on par with Danny White at this point. McNabb was a better runner and more elusive in the pocket. He lead his team to 5 NFC title games and one super bowl. Dak is a stat compiler who hasn't accomplished anything more than a rookie of the year honor.
 

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The problem is, this team needs so many pieces to be balanced on both sides of the ball, it is damn near impossible with what this FO has done.

First and foremost this team is a bunch of man babies. If anything, Dak not being there as their leader, should be pushing them to do better for him at least.
No... these guys suck. They sucked with or without Dak.

This team needs so much on both sides of the ball, I would be doing everything I could to get out of paying Dak, Zeke, Cooper, Dlaw, etc...

This team is finished for years.

You are fortunate enough, to be playing a game... a damn game, for insane money. But, you don't care enough to play the game.
These players make me sick... garbage.

To some extent, I agree. But its nothing to do with Dak. Dak MUST be retained. Dak will play for another 7-10 years.

What we not need to get rid of to become a true contender is Lawrence, Jaylon, Zeke, and probably the Cooper contract. And we need two very good drafts in a row and probably a third quality draft.

But that doesn't mean we cant be competitive or do some damage in the meantime. A great start would be a top 5 pick. Honestly...……..if we get rid of all 3 of those bad contracts then we have tons of cap space. And in two years is when we would want to use it.
 

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McNabb was a big play machine. I can't stand him though.. One of my most all time hated players.

Our division was terrible at that time too. He did get to a Superbowl though.

Merton Hanks, Shockey, McNabb. I'm sure im forgetting some.

The division was terrible but the Eagles were pretty good. McNabb lead them to 5 NFC title games......... something Dallas hasn't seen since 1996.
 

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What confuses me is people who talk up how the organization is a trash fire top to bottom, then turn around and bag on Dak for not winning a Super Bowl.

Just think this through, if the organization is a trash fire then no QB in the NFL is taking it to a Super Bowl.

Aikman and Staubach played with Hall of Famers. Who are the Hall of Famers on the 2020 Cowboys?

I don't really have a good idea what Dak is capable of, it looks like he's headed on the exact same trajectory as Romo when it comes to playing for clownshoes coaches.

To be honest I think they need to purge the coaching staff and give whoever the new guy is carte blanche to tear the roster down to the foundation and start over. The team is an atomic waste dump of dumb players and worse coaches.
 
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