How did a top LB core, go from hero to zero?

[Dre11]

Matt eberflus was the man....coaching matters

lol...I don't think Matt was there, I think he left the year LVE came...lol

 

[fansince68]

..remember Jaylon and LVE were considered a top LB core 2018? They were playing lights out. Making tackles, stopping runs, defending plays..etc. I couldn't believe it and thought we got finally blessed with winning formula in our LB spot.

.....>>>fast forward, they have basically disappeared as fast as they appeared. What happened? Coaching? Talent? Bad Luck? The Jones family? Or its just to complicated?

....I'm going with the complicated part.

Our LB are walking wounded and over valued. Our film studies of previous games must be carried on at 2am when folk are sleepy and not paying attention.

 

[dfense]

A couple years ago the Dline was playing well and Olines had their hands full. The LBers were free to run to the ball. Not so now.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

LVE had a phenomenal rookie season and hasn’t been able to stay healthy since.

Jaylon’s only good season was that same year, so I’m thinking LVE made him look good.

 

[bigE79]

which is WHY he cannot be judged based on stats. I watch the games. And I watch him. I would not even pay this guy the league minimum. In fact his talent level suggest league minimum or camp fodder. He is that bad. He would not even make my team....and I will be watching to see if he sticks anywhere else in the NFL once he is cut by us.

If we were to cut him,the most he would be is a special teams guy and spot starter if someone got hurt...that's his future...but we all know jerry would never cut his pet cat.

 

[bigE79]

What’s the excuse for Poe?

Bum

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Looks to me like one is old and often injured (Lee), one is injury prone and playing not to get reinjured (LVE) and the other one came off a major injury, got paid, but has slow instincts and tries to make it up with speed so often is running down the play from behind. (Jaylon).
If we could put them in a blender and get Lee's heart and instincts, with Jaylon's speed, and LVE's youth and toughness.....we got ourselves a great LB. But sadly, we have what we have.

And i agree, the DL does them no favors.

 

[kskboys]

..remember Jaylon and LVE were considered a top LB core 2018? They were playing lights out. Making tackles, stopping runs, defending plays..etc. I couldn't believe it and thought we got finally blessed with winning formula in our LB spot.

.....>>>fast forward, they have basically disappeared as fast as they appeared. What happened? Coaching? Talent? Bad Luck? The Jones family? Or its just to complicated?

....I'm going with the complicated part.

Injuries.

Poor DT's.

That is all.

 

[Praxit]

I would love to say that Jaylon is a tackling machine I really would. But he makes the majority of his tackles beyond the line of scrimmage. He doesn't stack and shed, is easily fooled by play action or misdirection, and is unable to get low, take on a block holding his ground while freeing up his outside arm to tackle the ball carrier. He plays standing straight up and skates backwards when taking on blockers more akin to a cb. You'll see him get thrown out of the play by a pulling OL with just a shove because he's playing so straight up and often times backpedaling. There is a reason why the Cowboys were dead last against the RB screen last season. I have nothing against Jaylon but he is at this point a terrible LB.

....bro, sounds like you put on some pads and helmet back in the day. .. but your right, about him not able to shed off his blockers.

My biggest gripe with Jaylon are his instincts. Many times he gets completely fooled. I'm yelling at the telly, "No, you dumb****,,,.. that way". I

 

[Praxit]

Bum

..>I was very surprised how awful Poe did. I thought he was going to be a huge positive factor going forward. ..Oh well, what can you do.

 

[bigE79]

..>I was very surprised how awful Poe did. I thought he was going to be a huge positive factor going forward. ..Oh well, what can you do.

Cut his ***..dude ls soft and slow...does he ever make a tackle?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

If we were to cut him,the most he would be is a special teams guy and spot starter if someone got hurt...that's his future...but we all know jerry would never cut his pet cat.

not sure he could play special teams. Takes bad angles. Has poor change of direction. Averse to contact. Can't get off blocks. Actually....with all those "qualities"...I'm not sure how on earth he is in the NFL!!!

 

[cern]

A goose?

Among mallards, only the hens quack. Drakes whistle. And geese honk. They don't quack. I take it you don't hunt.

 

[bigE79]

not sure he could play special teams. Takes bad angles. Has poor change of direction. Averse to contact. Can't get off blocks. Actually....with all those "qualities"...I'm not sure how on earth he is in the NFL!!!

Well bb,I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt..we both know if we cut him,he'd be out of the league all together...he's that bad.

 

[aria]

Among mallards, only the hens quack. Drakes whistle. And geese honk. They don't quack. I take it you don't hunt.

Have only hunted ducks a couple times and it was over 20 years ago, I pretty much stopped hunting altogether these days. I should have known that about geese and ducks though. Had no idea about drakes and hens.

 

[ondaedg]

....bro, sounds like you put on some pads and helmet back in the day. .. but your right, about him not able to shed off his blockers.

My biggest gripe with Jaylon are his instincts. Many times he gets completely fooled. I'm yelling at the telly, "No, you dumb****,,,.. that way". I

I played up to my junior year then quit football to play on the golf team. Lol. But in all seriousness my dad played college ball and my brother played at a perennial powerhouse football school here in NE Ohio. A lot of football in our blood.

But yes Jaylon frustrates me to death with his delayed reads. And he plays 6 yds off the LOS which means he’s not getting to the ball carrier until the G or C are already on him with momentum.

 

[cern]

Have only hunted ducks a couple times and it was over 20 years ago, I pretty much stopped hunting altogether these days. I should have known that about geese and ducks though. Had no idea about drakes and hens.

Duck hunting's the greatest because you're always with your hest friend. Your dog.

 

[Praxit]

I played up to my junior year then quit football to play on the golf team. Lol.

....I did the same, I played until my junior year, then I joined a Rock Band...lol.. Coaches.......we're effen pissed. I was suppose to start at FB my senior year. ..

 

[Chuck 54]

I would love to say that Jaylon is a tackling machine I really would. But he makes the majority of his tackles beyond the line of scrimmage. He doesn't stack and shed, is easily fooled by play action or misdirection, and is unable to get low, take on a block holding his ground while freeing up his outside arm to tackle the ball carrier. He plays standing straight up and skates backwards when taking on blockers more akin to a cb. You'll see him get thrown out of the play by a pulling OL with just a shove because he's playing so straight up and often times backpedaling. There is a reason why the Cowboys were dead last against the RB screen last season. I have nothing against Jaylon but he is at this point a terrible LB.

Agreed, but I believe that’s why he should be a weak side chase LB. Neither he nor LVE seem to fit the inside LB position in a 3-4 scheme.

 

[buybuydandavis]

..remember Jaylon and LVE were considered a top LB core 2018? They were playing lights out. Making tackles, stopping runs, defending plays..etc. I couldn't believe it and thought we got finally blessed with winning formula in our LB spot.

.....>>>fast forward, they have basically disappeared as fast as they appeared. What happened? Coaching? Talent? Bad Luck? The Jones family? Or its just to complicated?

....I'm going with the complicated part.

Jaylon's leg regressed. It was visible early last year, and got worse as the season went on. He probably should have kept playing with the orthotic.

I think he *knew* (it's his leg, after all) and that's why he had his agent offer an early "team friendly" deal. With every year of the contract injury guaranteed. We should get him off the field before the next 2 years kick in.

On LVE, he's been continually broken for a year and a half now. LBs don't get to hit in practices. Takes some games to get into form. I haven't given up on him playing well, though I'm not confident he can stay healthy for very long. Sean Lee 2.