Brett Favre on MM and the Cowboys

CarolinaFathead

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This isn't the same team either. Which is entirely the point.

Jerry remains at the helm, but the culture of this organization is far, far different than when Jimmy Johnson ran things.

In fact, one could argue Jerry and Jimmy clashed because Jerry wanted the very culture that is in place today.

I think Jerry and Jimmy mainly clashed over who was responsible for back to back SBs five years after being 1-15. Most of us fans back then, I’d guess pretty confidently the vast majority, gave Johnson the bulk of the credit and that I’m sure bothered Jerry immensely but what he couldn’t stomach was his professional peers giving Johnson the bulk of the credit, including Jimmy Johnson himself. That wasn’t going to fly.

Jerry might be a big softie with his favorite guys and he might engender a lax attitude organizationally because of this, and if true those are certainly problems that need to be mitigated, but Jerry’s ego and need to be adulated is by far the biggest problem we have right now and have had since he bought the team. We could bring in the next Bill Parcells/Jimmy Johnson and have discipline infused in the team from day one and that ego in the background could still submarine the whole thing.
 

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He's exactly right.....some serious leadership issues here. Quite frankly, we now know, we only had one. The bottom fell out when we lost him ......

BTW....notice the MM props as a disciplinary. I know I'm a minority, but MM will get this right if we give him time.



Damn, maybe we can convince brett to make a comeback...lol
 

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This is the same culture that won 3 Super Bowls. That culture thing is a excuse. Cowboys need to hire a real GM.

I really think that Jimmy Johnson would beg to differ. Sure Jimmy stocked the team with great players, but he also built a culture of accountability. His team was scared to lose.
 

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I really don't like when people throw around the "culture" thing as if the FO encourages the guys to slack off, but I have to say, I think do it was a much different culture under Jimmy. When the HC will leave your elite WR behind and make him find his own way to the game because he was a little late, that's quite a difference from today's team.
Joe Gibbs won a couple of SBs. Was his culture like Jimmy's? Look, Jimmy is probably my favorite coach of all time, but his way is not the only way. That guy Bill Walsh..... he was pretty Ok and his culture was a little different than Jimmy's.
 

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We have a crap culture Brett.

We treat our players like rock stars and pay them top dollar for giving us mediocre results. That's our standard.

You win 1 playoff game and you buy yourself 5 years as a Cowboy and a big contract.
well players get paid for what they did PRIOR to their contract. Sp tell me the players [aid like Rock Stars that didnt put up the numbers prior to their contract?
Are you at practice each day? Is your complaint about how we coddle our players the exact same comolaint you had with JG and now with MM?
 

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well players get paid for what they did PRIOR to their contract. Sp tell me the players [aid like Rock Stars that didnt put up the numbers prior to their contract?
Are you at practice each day? Is your complaint about how we coddle our players the exact same comolaint you had with JG and now with MM?
CATCH17’s strategy as a GM would be to fire anybody up for a second contract and replace them in the draft lol. The roster would get turned over every three to four years lol.

That’s almost all he does is ***** and moan about what a player makes. The only players in the league worthy of a highly paid contract in his view is the consensus top player at each individual position. If you’re the second best player at your position and you want a comparable contract to the number one rated player at that position then in CATCH17’s world you’re ish out of luck lmao. Too expensive!! You’re not Pat Mahomes!!

Dude is cheap as **** lol...
 

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I really think that Jimmy Johnson would beg to differ. Sure Jimmy stocked the team with great players, but he also built a culture of accountability. His team was scared to lose.
I don’t disagree but I don’t think teams in general
Are built like that. Andy Reid is holding guys accountable? Bellichek I’m sure does.
 

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He's exactly right.....some serious leadership issues here. Quite frankly, we now know, we only had one. The bottom fell out when we lost him ......

BTW....notice the MM props as a disciplinary. I know I'm a minority, but MM will get this right if we give him time.



Brett makes a lot of sense . The team is either full of overrated entitled players , or the players have talent but don’t feel the urgency or the authority of rhe coach as long as they can keep Jerry happy .
 

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This is the same culture that won 3 Super Bowls. That culture thing is a excuse. Cowboys need to hire a real GM.
Uh, no. That culture was Jimmy’s, this is Jerry’s. Jerry emphatically said winning was the only thing that mattered the night he introduced Jimmy. The only thing that’s mattered since Jimmy departed has been feeding Jerry’s ego and the need to prove it wasn’t Jimmy. All he’s done since has been to further cement with every passing year that it was Jimmy.
 

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This is the same culture that won 3 Super Bowls. That culture thing is a excuse. Cowboys need to hire a real GM.
Wrong. Today’s players, just like average people their age, are far different than they were 25-30 years ago. That entitlement mentality is extremely prevalent in today’s society and especially on this team. It’s disgusting.
 

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Wrong. Today’s players, just like average people their age, are far different than they were 25-30 years ago. That entitlement mentality is extremely prevalent in today’s society and especially on this team. It’s disgusting.
What do you mean by “entitlement mentality is extremely prevalent in today’s society”?
 

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Uh, no. That culture was Jimmy’s, this is Jerry’s. Jerry emphatically said winning was the only thing that mattered the night he introduced Jimmy. The only thing that’s mattered since Jimmy departed has been feeding Jerry’s ego and the need to prove it wasn’t Jimmy. All he’s done since has been to further cement with every passing year that it was Jimmy.

Well said. It’s disgusting.
 

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What do you mean by “entitlement mentality is extremely prevalent in today’s society”?
It’s a really, really simple statement that needs no explanation. If you don’t get it, I probably can’t help you. But, in short, I’ll just say that young people today (teens and 20 somethings) are weak minded and think the world owes them something. End of story.
 

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This isn't the same team either. Which is entirely the point.

Jerry remains at the helm, but the culture of this organization is far, far different than when Jimmy Johnson ran things.

In fact, one could argue Jerry and Jimmy clashed because Jerry wanted the very culture that is in place today.

:hammer:
 

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Not according to Jenn Sterger.
But you didn't expect him to be fully faithful and supportive of his wife when she was going through breast cancer did you?
Woah bud. I'm speaking on a specific matter. The topic at hand.
 

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Why can't "insert name of coach" win with all this talent that our peerless GM has assembled?
 

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Maybe. I won't discount that.
It just wasn't the country club atmosphere that Jimmy himself complained about in later years than when he was in charge.
The culture was different.

But I can't make a horse drink so let it get thirsty.
quit selling. geez. he's broke
 

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Joe Gibbs won a couple of SBs. Was his culture like Jimmy's? Look, Jimmy is probably my favorite coach of all time, but his way is not the only way. That guy Bill Walsh..... he was pretty Ok and his culture was a little different than Jimmy's.
I'm pretty tired, but I don't think I said anything about Jimmy's way being the only way. I didn't even say this way can't work. All I'm saying is there's definitely a big difference in accountability, particularly for the non-star players.
 
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