What is wrong with tanking?

[cern]

on another note, the duck hunting was outstanding this morning. labs are resting by the fire. i'm field dressing ducks.

 

[CouchCoach]

Type in "Hershel Walker Trade" and look it up. It's even in Wikipedia.

It appears that you're the one throwing out crapp hoping it sticks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A fine debating strategy, used it often myself. If ya can't dazzle them with your footwork, baffle them with your BS.

 

[CouchCoach]

on another note, the duck hunting was outstanding this morning. labs are resting by the fire. i'm field dressing ducks.

On this note, rot in hell!!!!!!....Donald, Daisy, Huey, Duey, Louie and Daffy. No family Christmas portrait cards this year.

 

[Typhus]

Look at you Gimmetheball, 17 pages and counting, as much pounding as you take you hang in there and this forum shows that they are capable of some love.
You ole thick skin croc.. good job!

 

[Crazed Liotta Eyes]

I don't think Miami tanked they did a rebuild, they aquired draft capitol while trading players who were up for a contract for that draft capitol...but if you watched the games last year they absolutley played for that coach and starting competing at the end. They evaluated the talent that was still there to see who to keep and played the best players they had at every position.....Miami wasn't injured they were just bad and did a great job at starting a rebuild....tanking would be benching all your starters for the second half of the season to purposley move up in the draft, Miami didn't do that.

Dallas isn't tanking..THEY ARE VERY INJURED...most teams don't win with the injuries we have especially at the positions we have them. If your hoping for a rebuild then your going to be disappointed as we have not done anything for draft capitol nor have we started unloading any contracts. This FO believes (right or wrong yet to be seen) we have the core to win now, nothing they have done shows us otherwise. If Dalton comes back out there then that will let you know they still think they can win this year.....I know thats ridiculous but with this division..meh. If by the grace of god they draft heavy for middle defense players they could be right about fixing this thing soon.

I think this is spot on. Injuries have derailed everything this season. There is really nothing left to be said.

 

[eromeopolk]

Ethics in football went out the door around the time plastic helmets replaced leather helmets.

So, I say this: What's ethical about freezing a kicker? Or stashing healthy players on the injured unable to perform list?
Or coaches blowing smoke about their intended draftee and then choosing another?
What is ethical about fans making it impossible for the opposing QB to hear his cadence or a feigned injury to stop a clock? Or announcers breathlessly promoting an upcoming game between a 9-1 team against a 1-9 team?
Or deflated balls, stolen signals and sweetheart deals by municipalities to attract and keep NFL teams?

This proud rude boy from Leeds long ago gave up thinking there were ethics in professional NFL?

Me? I think of tanking as a strategic plan to make a football team better.
If you think tanking for 2021 is wrong, then I don't want to be right. So then go ahead enjoying your 8-8 seasons and the upcoming 3-13 season.

Holla and brings me a dollah!
Or holla and just owe me a dollar!

I will answer what is wrong about tanking with these facts:
1. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys Owner
2. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys GM
3. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys Defacto Head Coach

Do you think tanking is going to solve the bad decision making of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Teams have been doing that for years and it is allowable unless the media catches on and it affects the playoffs.

If you have a team that is obviously out of it, you simply declare this season is over and it's time to find out what I've got in my backups and rest players that have been playing with injuries. They do this by just changing the lineup.

The issue with any East team tanking this season that even at 2-7 and at the bottom of the conference standings, it's still any team's division to win and go to the playoffs.

There are fans that want to wring every last drop out of this season so winning the East matters and their desires should be considered just as important as those already on to the next season.

I do not buy anything can happen in the playoffs because it usually doesn't but with everything that's happened this year, in and out of football, I do not think it wrong for a fan to want just one more game out of their team.

I am waffling on moving on as well. What's to say next season is any better or different? There's something to be said for winning the East and keeping PHL from repeating and that won't carry an asterisk, it's still a division championship.

Damn me, damn me, furry, I'm starting to talk myself into not tanking this season.

Haha, well, I want a high draft pick too, but I remember what the Giants did in 2011. They got lucky, maybe we finally strike a bit of luck of we make it? We've had some awful luck this season. It's gotta balance out at some time, right?

 

[fivetwos]

I will answer what is wrong about tanking with these facts:
1. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys Owner
2. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys GM
3. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys Defacto Head Coach

Do you think tanking is going to solve the bad decision making of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones.

He will let you know. Just ask him.

Keep watching.

 

[fivetwos]

Haha, well, I want a high draft pick too, but I remember what the Giants did in 2011. They got lucky, maybe we finally strike a bit of luck of we make it? We've had some awful luck this season. It's gotta balance out at some time, right?

Yes. Theres a chance!

Garrett Gilbert will beat Rodgers/Brady or Brees in round one.

Easily take out Wilson in the NFC CG....

Then make Mahomes look silly in the SB.

 

[75boyz]

Yes. Theres a chance!

Garrett Gilbert will beat Rodgers/Brady or Brees in round one.

Easily take out Wilson in the NFC CG....

Then make Mahomes look silly in the SB.

I agree with ya while somewhere Nick Foles is giving you an enthusiastic thumbs up as well, lol.

 

[Captain-Crash]

If we tank we might lose stat prescott, I hope we win out because I like my QB to limp and lose against good teams.

 

[garyo1954]

You don't get hookers and coke on Booger's yacht if you lose!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Huh?

Indeed. I don't understand how a partial quote got in there. {shrug}...Well anyway....you did indeed..spell "you" wrong!

Edit: still quoting weird![/QUOTE]
please stop before you confuse me further

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I will answer what is wrong about tanking with these facts:
1. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys Owner
2. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys GM
3. Jerry Jones is the Dallas Cowboys Defacto Head Coach

Do you think tanking is going to solve the bad decision making of Jerry Dumbo GM Jones.

You are correct but it WILL give us a better chance at Trevor Lawrence or that edge from Miami.

 

[jnday]

Your sources?
I'm not saying you are wrong.....just want to get on the same page. I certainly remember some..ado...about it. That was quite some time ago.

There has been several sports specials on the 90’s Cowboys and Johnson explained everything when talking about the Walker trade. I thought it was common knowledge, but apparently not. I am sure that it is in YouTube , but I am not going to sift through all of the videos to prove a point . It looks like there are several posters that have seen these interviews. Johnson explained the trade a little in a Dan Patrick interview. He doesn’t go in depth like other interviews, but he mentions cutting several players to get the draft picks.

 

[RonnieT24]

There has been several sports specials on the 90’s Cowboys and Johnson explained everything when talking about the Walker trade. I thought it was common knowledge, but apparently not. I am sure that it is in YouTube , but I am not going to sift through all of the videos to prove a point . It looks like there are several posters that have seen these interviews. Johnson explained the trade a little in a Dan Patrick interview. He doesn’t go in depth like other interviews, but he mentions cutting several players to get the draft picks.

Did Jimmy also mention how he was once quoted as saying "Troy Aikman never won anything in college, why would I want him on my team in the pros?" And then proceeded to spend a 1st round pick on Walsh in the supplemental draft. Fortunately for him he was bailed out by New Orleans.. but that one really could have bitten him in the arse. It's no surprise that Jimmy's recollection of events paint Jimmy in the most flattering light possible. Your own memory tends to do that for you. My college teammates and I have a saying.. "The older I get, the better player I was.. " The only counter I would offer to Jimmy's declaration of his own genius is the amazing success he would later have with the Dolphins... oh... wait.. I stand firm in my assertion that for all their bad blood Jerry and Jimmy needed one another to achieve what they did in the early 90's. Neither ever reached the same heights without the other as they scaled in tandem. Their break up was on both of them... as was their success.

 

[75boyz]

Did Jimmy also mention how he was once quoted as saying "Troy Aikman never won anything in college, why would I want him on my team in the pros?" And then proceeded to spend a 1st round pick on Walsh in the supplemental draft. Fortunately for him he was bailed out by New Orleans.. but that one really could have bitten him in the arse. It's no surprise that Jimmy's recollection of events paint Jimmy in the most flattering light possible. Your own memory tends to do that for you. My college teammates and I have a saying.. "The older I get, the better player I was.. " The only counter I would offer to Jimmy's declaration of his own genius is the amazing success he would later have with the Dolphins... oh... wait.. I stand firm in my assertion that for all their bad blood Jerry and Jimmy needed one another to achieve what they did in the early 90's. Neither ever reached the same heights without the other as they scaled in tandem. Their break up was on both of them... as was their success.

Yep,
I think it was even written somewhere that Jimmy was a Mandarich fan initially but Norv may have influenced him on how that history setting decision went down. As you say, as the years pass the memory can add or take away from certain contextual portions of stories. Kinda like that childhood parody of a lengthy line of students starting out a secret and whispering it into the ear of another but by the time it reaches the last kid in line the last kids version of what he/she has been whispered is quite different from the original.
But to include Jerry as anything other than the man who purchased the team and hired Johnson is where I kinda draw the line in giving him the fifty percent credit for success that your comments imply.

Just my opinion though,

Everybody's got one

 

[cern]

Did Jimmy also mention how he was once quoted as saying "Troy Aikman never won anything in college, why would I want him on my team in the pros?" And then proceeded to spend a 1st round pick on Walsh in the supplemental draft. Fortunately for him he was bailed out by New Orleans.. but that one really could have bitten him in the arse. It's no surprise that Jimmy's recollection of events paint Jimmy in the most flattering light possible. Your own memory tends to do that for you. My college teammates and I have a saying.. "The older I get, the better player I was.. " The only counter I would offer to Jimmy's declaration of his own genius is the amazing success he would later have with the Dolphins... oh... wait.. I stand firm in my assertion that for all their bad blood Jerry and Jimmy needed one another to achieve what they did in the early 90's. Neither ever reached the same heights without the other as they scaled in tandem. Their break up was on both of them... as was their success.

This is something I've never heard. As for walsh, he gave up a 1st round pick for him and got a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in trade. Good business.

 

[cern]

Yep,
I think it was even written somewhere that Jimmy was a Mandarich fan initially but Norv may have influenced him on how that history setting decision went down. As you say, as the years pass the memory can add or take away from certain contextual portions of stories. Kinda like that childhood parody of a lengthy line of students starting out a secret and whispering it into the ear of another but by the time it reaches the last kid in line the last kids version of what he/she has been whispered is quite different from the original.
But to include Jerry as anything other than the man who purchased the team and hired Johnson is where I kinda draw the line in giving him the fifty percent credit for success that your comments imply.

Just my opinion though,

Everybody's got one

Troy and mandarich were drafted before norv came to cowboys.

 

[75boyz]

Troy and mandarich were drafted before norv came to cowboys.

Totally my bad on that then Cern. Thought it was in Jimmy's book that someone(I thought Norv) kinda talked him out of picking Mandarich. Totally my bad on thinking it was Norv.