The real reason McCarthy was hired has nothing to do with his barn or analytics

[Parcells4Life]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

 

[Bobhaze]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

You may be right about that. But what I don’t understand is why they didn’t look seriously at anyone else. Other than the Rooney Rule interview they had by phone with Marvin Lewis, they did no other interviews besides McCarthy. I’m just curious why. Most organizations usually interview more candidates. Obviously this isn’t like most organizations.

 

[DasSchnitzel]

You may be right about that. But what I don’t understand is why they didn’t look seriously at anyone else. Other than the Rooney Rule interview they had by phone with Marvin Lewis, they did no other interviews besides McCarthy. I’m just curious why. Most organizations usually interview more candidates. Obviously this isn’t like most organizations.

My gut feeling is that JJ has been wanting MM for years and everytime GB beat Dallas, the belief grew stronger that MM was a great coach. Thus, very short interview process, because MM interviewed on field in beat down after beat down.

 

[Parcells4Life]

You may be right about that. But what I don’t understand is why they didn’t look seriously at anyone else. Other than the Rooney Rule interview they had by phone with Marvin Lewis, they did no other interviews besides McCarthy. I’m just curious why. Most organizations usually interview more candidates. Obviously this isn’t like most organizations.

Because the only thing that mattered to them was Daks development and no one available had the skins on the wall. Lincoln Riley who was my choice hasn’t coached a down of NFL football and as Baker is finding out there’s a big difference between Big 12 and the NFL.

I really don’t know who else that was available would have been viable to meet their qualification? Maybe Ron Rivera if he’d brought Norv, but wasn’t he already hired before McCarthy?

Joe Judge, Kevin Stefanski aren’t known to be proven QB gurus.

 

[lukin2006]

Urrrrrrban Meyer should have been the only interview...

he should still be interviewed...

 

[Bobhaze]

Because the only thing that mattered to them was Daks development and no one available had the skins on the wall. Lincoln Riley who was my choice hasn’t coached a down of NFL football and as Baker is finding out there’s a big difference between Big 12 and the NFL.

I really don’t know who else that was available would have been viable to meet their qualification? Maybe Ron Rivera if he’d brought Norv, but wasn’t he already hired before McCarthy?

Joe Judge, Kevin Stefanski aren’t known to be proven QB gurus.

Ron Rivera probably would have been a good choice but like you said, WFT already nabbed him while Jerry cried in his bunker about having to fire the puppet son. I don’t know if Rivera would have been successful here or not.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Urrrrrrban Meyer should have been the only interview...

he should still be interviewed...

He’s never developed an NFL QB. Tebow, Haskins, etc aren’t doing much these days. He let Burrow walk.

There’s a big difference between winning college games and NFL. Especially when linked to QB development.

 

[MMObserver]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

In 1988, Big Mac was a grad assistant at Ft. Hays State in Kansas ... and Joe Montana was quarterbacking the 49ers to a 3rd SB win.

McCarthy "developed" Montana about as much as the Lakers coach developed Lebron James this past season.

Additionally, prior to the 2005 draft, Big Mac, then the 49ers offensive coordinator, was tasked by his good buddy and then SF head coach Mike Nolan to opine on which QB the 49ers should take with the #1 overall pick. Big Mac decided the kid who played all the way on the other side of SF Bay at Cal and grew up a 49er fan was not as good a prospect as Alex Smith and the 49ers thus selected Alex #1 overall.

In 2006, Mac was hired by GB and had to make do with Favre (who had two of his best seasons ever in 2007 and 2009) and Rodgers as his backup. Poor guy.

Now, it is certainly true that "it went stale in GB" during Big Mac's tenure up there.

And, in a year in which soon to be 37 year old Aaron Rodgers has thrown 33 TDs (and just 4 INTs) through 11 games for the 8-3 Packers (and he is throwing them to one excellent receiver in Davante Adams and a bunch of scrubs named Valdez-Scantling, Lazard, and Tonyan,) I'd wager that a significant majority of Packer fans would agree that not only is "McCarthy not a great HC" but that he is not even much of a QB coach -- at least at this stage of his career.

I submit "The real reason" the Cowboys hired McCarthy has less to do with his coaching acumen than some of his other demonstrated "attributes."

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah I don't think McCarthy developed Joe Montana lol..........maybe you can argue Rodgers but there's not enough evidence out there to say he's this QB whisperer.....Packers were always good at drafting quarterbacks.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Yeah I don't think McCarthy developed Joe Montana lol..........maybe you can argue Rodgers but there's not enough evidence out there to say he's this QB whisperer.....Packers were always good at drafting quarterbacks.

McCarthy’s go to is how he does his footwork with QBs and worked with Gannon in KC, Favre, Rodgers, Montana, Bulger, etc. The TV special talked about his drill that Montana did.

It’s easy to see that the Jones would get caught up in that aspect and think he can turn Dak into Aaron Rodgers which they think fixes all their other problems.

 

[cern]

Dak improved dramatically in 2019 under the tutelage of kitna. It doesn't seem mac was properly vetted but was more an exercise in damage control. Jerry waited too long. He was incredibly indecisive and in the end rushed to do something.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Urrrrrrban Meyer should have been the only interview...

he should still be interviewed...

If UM would coach under Jerry then he cant be much of a man.

 

[big dog cowboy]

In 1988, Big Mac was a grad assistant at Ft. Hays State in Kansas

I love it when my home state gets some pub in here.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

Jerry.....

 

[Majic]

3 factors in play here.

1) Jerry hates the procedure of interviewing for the head coaching position, he said as much when he appointed Wade. He would rather hit on the right candidate ASAP
2) MM has won a SB and
3) MM would work alongside the Jones family

Basically, could I work with this guy and has he won anything before? Yes I will give him a go then.

So no shortlist of 5 or 6 candidates, no first round of interviews

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You guys don't know Jerry?


Jerry has a history of hiring unproven, never before head coaches. The hiring of Parcells was a ploy that Jerry himself admitted. Jerry has said that he wants another ring during his life. So the hiring of a proven commodity like MM was Jerry trying a new approach. A break in his own first chance approach to hiring coaches. So the hiring of MM is easy to understand is you understand Jerry.

IMO, he hires a bunch of first time head coaches because he wants to seem like a genius when they succeed. Now, what I don't understand why he puts mandates on coaches. He made Wade deal with Garrett. With Parcells he had to have control of the first pick, every year, IIRC. And now he has made MM retain Moore.

 

[starfan1]

Not sure Jerry and company has any sense of direction with anything except $$$ and how he can bring in more of it and sometimes to the detriment of team

 

[Swagger]

In my view, Rodgers would have been even better without McCarthy. I actually see McCarthy as having held him back, especially in his latter years.

 

[Swagger]

I will give McCarthy credit for backing Rodgers after the decision had been made to move on from Favre after he had retired...only to change his mind again. It took strong character from Big-Mac to move on from the old turnover machine to Aaron Rodgers knowing that ill informed fans would prefer Favre to have been kept on even though by that point in his career he was knee capping the team.

 

[Brooksey]

It’s not talked about enough, but I really think the reason he was hired has nothing to do with his barn workshop or 30 min TV special about analytics.

It was 100% about he has developed Montana, Rodgers and others. The Jones’ wanted someone that would take care of their Dak investment. Basically they hired the most expensive QB coach there is.

Playcalling and team management were secondary on the list of reasons. So when Dak goes down, what’s McCarthys purpose? Develop Nooch?

It went stale in GB because Rodgers was developed to the point he no longer needed McCarthy. McCarthy is not a great HC. He’s a great specialist who needs other good specialists around him like Dom Capers to win big games.

McCarthy was hired because he'll do what he's told and he used to coach the GB packers, won a SB.