Perspective for the Anti-Tankers

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yep, Aerosmith's got an all time classic song title response I could use but I'll just stick to my opinion and respect yours as well, Go Cowboys.

Totally respect yours too. You can't cover all scenarios anyway.

 

[Jeffkills]

Top .... five .... pick.........

Lost to the sands of time......

 

[Whyjerry]

what the heck else do you want a 3rd string OL a backup qb backup TE, 4th string Dbs , 3rd string DL etc etc

i mean who anae and Bernard only players not to play snap this year thats your gripe when we are already playing bottom of he barrel at many other positions..coaches have their reasons for not playing those 2..maybe they mop up the last game or two but i dont care..

let the coaches coach..ands watch football..

I haven’t blocked anyone in a while. I am dropping you in the toilet like a turd. Goodbye.

 

[Shane612]

How about the argument that higher draft picks get MORE chances because teams feel they can't afford to miss on them.
5th, 6th and 7th rounders get fewer chances before their teams give up on them.

 

[CWR]

Well we haven't been winning with them so it doesn't really matter what those players think or want.

This should be a coaches decision that is in the best interest of the team as a whole going forward.

These next three games are basically preseason games. Coaches should care less about players getting stats and should care more about improving the team and players that will be here next year.

I agree that coaches shouldn't be concerned with player stats. Coaches are however, concerned with keeping the trust and faith of their players and building a winning program. When you start intentionally sitting better players for the purpose of tanking you run a very high risk of losing your team for good. If a player isn't producing then by all means shake it up.

 

[Verdict]

Morris Clairborne says hi, Trent Richardson, Dion Jordan and plenty more not including all the QBs.

While that may be true, no one MADE the team that drafted them, draft them. If you draft lower, you don’t get to pick from the players drafted before you did.

 

[Verdict]

Well we haven't been winning with them so it doesn't really matter what those players think or want.

This should be a coaches decision that is in the best interest of the team as a whole going forward.

These next three games are basically preseason games. Coaches should care less about players getting stats and should care more about improving the team and players that will be here next year.

Agreed.

 

[Verdict]

Do yall actually think starters would be ok with lesser bench players getting time ahead of them?

Thats not how these guys work. They want to play. They want to continue to build their resume and legacy. No one wants a year in the middle with garbage output just to satisfy a tank.

Talk about ways to lose your team for good, and this has to be very high up on the list.

Edit: I am for giving the younger guys more time. It just has to be done in the correct way. Maybe that is your point, if so apologies.

Coaches make those calls, not the players.

 

[Buzzbait]

Just now found out we won....

About to kill myself........

 

[waving monkey]

Players don’t tank. And you run the risk of losing the team in the future if they think you are trying to lose

Miami

 

[SackMaster]

Players don’t tank. And you run the risk of losing the team in the future if they think you are trying to lose

I guess the real world equivalent would be your boss asking you not to work hard so they can get a government stimulus check, and the higher the check value, the more likely the worker will get replaced by a new hire with said government assist money.

Ya, fans may want to tank for higher draft picks, but players and coaches WHOSE JOBS ARE ON THE LINE will never lose on purpose.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The case is real simple. It is in the best interest of the team to lose right now .....just as it was in 1989.

 

[Rockport]

In last week's Steelers and Washington Football Team game, Mike Tomlin told Chase Young that he never wants to lose enough games to get a player like him.

That's why when there is no shot at the playoffs, it's in a team's best interest to lose as many games as possible.

Only special talent like that can be found in the first few picks of the draft.

Yes, other special players can be found later but that happens less than you think considering how many total picks there are in each draft. Most times, teams don't even know they drafted a special player and just get lucky. For example, the Patriots had no clue how good Brady would be because they took him in the 6th round.

Players like Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, are any teams best bet each draft.

Those types of players can only be acquired by picking top 5 or better.

That's why you want to lose games in a season that was already over in week 6.

Losing is for losers. Period.

 

[jterrell]

In last week's Steelers and Washington Football Team game, Mike Tomlin told Chase Young that he never wants to lose enough games to get a player like him.

That's why when there is no shot at the playoffs, it's in a team's best interest to lose as many games as possible.

Only special talent like that can be found in the first few picks of the draft.

Yes, other special players can be found later but that happens less than you think considering how many total picks there are in each draft. Most times, teams don't even know they drafted a special player and just get lucky. For example, the Patriots had no clue how good Brady would be because they took him in the 6th round.

Players like Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, are any teams best bet each draft.

Those types of players can only be acquired by picking top 5 or better.

That's why you want to lose games in a season that was already over in week 6.

This point is complete nonsense.
Reality is picks are picks. If you want to trade up for Chase Young you can.
Mike Tomlin's statement is 100% accurate. No one wants to lose enough to draft that high.
It's a hole you can seldom climb out of. And WAS probably hasn't.
When they win the NFCE they will pick 19th at best.
They can't get the QB they need so badly there so they'll need to trade up.
Chase Young is nice but he can't play QB and that team isn't going to be good no matter what else happens until they get a real QB.

The best player in the league, Pat MAhomes Jr, was drafted 10th. And the team that took him was good and traded up because they identified just how good he was.
The best non QB is probably Aaron Donald. He went 13th.
Dallas has an All-Pro DE in DLaw. He went in round 2.
Where was Derrick Henry drafted? Aren't we glad Dallas had that pick at 4 to take Zeke instead of Henry???

How has drafting Carson Wentz gone for Philly?

Let's look at WAS:
In the last 10 years they have drafted top 5 three times:
Chase Young at 2
Brandon Sherff at 5
RG3 at 2.

Drafting really high is nice come draft time. And its fun for fans to have the draft season and do 100 mock drafts each.
But losing to draft that high comes with real consequences for organizations.
Players lose hope and effort. They no longer trust the coaching staff.
They certainly aren't playing injured.

When you are eliminated from the playoffs or virtually so like Dallas is now it makes sense to start all the younger players and guys on long term deals to evaluate them.
That type of development and focus on the future makes sense.
But out and out tanking is and always will be a huge gamble with far more chances of crapping out then hitting it big.

 

[kskboys]

I guess the real world equivalent would be your boss asking you not to work hard so they can get a government stimulus check, and the higher the check value, the more likely the worker will get replaced by a new hire with said government assist money.

Ya, fans may want to tank for higher draft picks, but players and coaches WHOSE JOBS ARE ON THE LINE will never lose on purpose.

Jimmy Johnson says hi.

 

[kskboys]

This point is complete nonsense.
Reality is picks are picks. If you want to trade up for Chase Young you can.
Mike Tomlin's statement is 100% accurate. No one wants to lose enough to draft that high.
It's a hole you can seldom climb out of. And WAS probably hasn't.
When they win the NFCE they will pick 19th at best.
They can't get the QB they need so badly there so they'll need to trade up.
Chase Young is nice but he can't play QB and that team isn't going to be good no matter what else happens until they get a real QB.

The best player in the league, Pat MAhomes Jr, was drafted 10th. And the team that took him was good and traded up because they identified just how good he was.
The best non QB is probably Aaron Donald. He went 13th.
Dallas has an All-Pro DE in DLaw. He went in round 2.
Where was Derrick Henry drafted? Aren't we glad Dallas had that pick at 4 to take Zeke instead of Henry???

How has drafting Carson Wentz gone for Philly?

Let's look at WAS:
In the last 10 years they have drafted top 5 three times:
Chase Young at 2
Brandon Sherff at 5
RG3 at 2.

Drafting really high is nice come draft time. And its fun for fans to have the draft season and do 100 mock drafts each.
But losing to draft that high comes with real consequences for organizations.
Players lose hope and effort. They no longer trust the coaching staff.
They certainly aren't playing injured.

When you are eliminated from the playoffs or virtually so like Dallas is now it makes sense to start all the younger players and guys on long term deals to evaluate them.
That type of development and focus on the future makes sense.
But out and out tanking is and always will be a huge gamble with far more chances of crapping out then hitting it big.

You seriously don't understand how it's advantageous to pick higher in every round? I mean, this is like grade school math stuff. And you really believe pointing out a few busts makes a point?

You guys have the strangest way of thinking.

 

[kskboys]

Losing is for losers. Period.

Absolutely. Which is why we need better players so we can win. The closer to the front you pick, the better the players are who are available. So, to enhance our chances of winning, say, a title, we need to lose now.

 

[McKDaddy]

Scenario 1 ain't happening.

exactly. this team going anywhere wasn't happening this year period. just simply not good enough. that should have been obvious to anyone within the first 4 games.

 

[kskboys]

exactly. this team going anywhere wasn't happening this year period. just simply not good enough. that should have been obvious to anyone within the first 4 games.

As well as last season.

 

[Ranching]

In last week's Steelers and Washington Football Team game, Mike Tomlin told Chase Young that he never wants to lose enough games to get a player like him.

That's why when there is no shot at the playoffs, it's in a team's best interest to lose as many games as possible.

Only special talent like that can be found in the first few picks of the draft.

Yes, other special players can be found later but that happens less than you think considering how many total picks there are in each draft. Most times, teams don't even know they drafted a special player and just get lucky. For example, the Patriots had no clue how good Brady would be because they took him in the 6th round.

Players like Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, are any teams best bet each draft.

Those types of players can only be acquired by picking top 5 or better.

That's why you want to lose games in a season that was already over in week 6.

Want to lose??! Lol!!!