Patrick Surtain the next Revis

[TheMarathonContinues]

I just did a thread earlier on all the potential trade down targets in need of a QB. There's a ton of potential options, so many I doubt there will be an issue to trade back.
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/trade-back-thoughts.472105/

What quarterback are you assuming teams would want to trade a draft capital for? Are you hoping one of the top 4 slips to 10? Jags, Jets, Panthers, Falcons, Lions and Bronco's all need quarterbacks....I guess one of them could fall.....

 

[Daygoboy6191]

What quarterback are you assuming teams would want to trade a draft capital for? Are you hoping one of the top 4 slips to 10? Jags, Jets, Panthers, Falcons, Lions and Bronco's all need quarterbacks....I guess one of them could fall.....

That would be the hope...

 

[Daygoboy6191]

So you trade down to get away from the best linebacker or corner in the draft? You trade down to get away from Farley or Surtain? That's getting too cute IMO. You could trade down and end up with two Taco Charlton's........

And most mocks I've seen have Wilson, Fields, Lance, and Lawrence as top 10 picks....who's worth trading up after that?

Just because they are the best corner in this draft, does it mean they are going to be a great corner.
Would Surtain or Farley be rated higher than Okudah last year.. no, Henderson.. maybe? These guys would have been the 2nd or 3rd CB off the board last year.
Farley has the highest upside, but taking into consideration the injuries and him opting out this year it's hard to evaluate and how comfortable are you with taking him top 10.
Surtain depending on how he tests he looks like an amazing zone CB, but a questionable man QB. Zone CB's are easier to get and less valuable than man CB's.

Micah Parsons might be a less injured more athletic Jaylon Smith with off the field questions. He is super raw at the positions, instincts have been questioned and non-rush LB's don't carry a huge value like other positions. So in reality, if we moved back away from these guys added a pick or two on day 2 is it really going to hurt us much.
This isn't a game-changer draft, it's a core building draft, and the more picks you have the better your chances are.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Just because they are the best corner in this draft, does it mean they are going to be a great corner.
Would Surtain or Farley be rated higher than Okudah last year.. no, Henderson.. maybe? These guys would have been the 2nd or 3rd CB off the board last year.
Farley has the highest upside, but taking into consideration the injuries and him opting out this year it's hard to evaluate and how comfortable are you with taking him top 10.
Surtain depending on how he tests he looks like an amazing zone CB, but a questionable man QB. Zone CB's are easier to get and less valuable than man CB's.

Micah Parsons might be a less injured more athletic Jaylon Smith with off the field questions. He is super raw at the positions, instincts have been questioned and non-rush LB's don't carry a huge value like other positions. So in reality, if we moved back away from these guys added a pick or two on day 2 is it really going to hurt us much.
This isn't a game-changer draft, it's a core building draft, and the more picks you have the better your chances are.

Okudah was the 2nd or 3rd player taken off the board. If we were talking about the 2nd or 3rd overall pick I'd agree with your stance on Surtain and Farley.

And your stance doesn't make sense to me. Its not a game changer draft yet you trade down for a less prospect for more picks in a draft with less playmakers. I just don't get it. That trade down game is a cute game that quite frankly this team doesn't need to do. They have a lot of draft picks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That would be the hope...

If one guy falls I guess that would help...but then if you're the Commanders...why trade with the Cowboys who don't seem to be in the market for a quarterback anyway?

 

[Daygoboy6191]

If one guy falls I guess that would help...but then if you're the Commanders...why trade with the Cowboys who don't seem to be in the market for a quarterback anyway?

If you are the Commanders, if your guy is there at QB you do it with whoever.

 

[baltcowboy]

So you trade down to get away from the best linebacker or corner in the draft? You trade down to get away from Farley or Surtain? That's getting too cute IMO. You could trade down and end up with two Taco Charlton's........

And most mocks I've seen have Wilson, Fields, Lance and Lawrence as top 10 picks....who's worth trading up after that?

First of all I don’t think drafting Farley or Surtain is better then drafting say Horne/Collins+Mohrig.
Secondly draft boards are all over the place, McShay has Fields at 15 and Lance at 19. You don’t know what a team is going to do. All I really know is that Surtain/Farley have warts and in a draft will premiere players they would go in the late teens and early 20s. They are good players but I would rather have two good players then one.

 

[Daygoboy6191]

First of all I don’t think drafting Farley or Surtain is better then drafting say Horne/Collins+Mohrig.
Secondly draft boards are all over the place, McShay has Fields at 15 and Lance at 19. You don’t know what a team is going to do. All I really know is that Surtain/Farley have warts and in a draft will premiere players they would go in the late teens and early 20s. They are good players but I would rather have two good players then one.

This is exactly my point!

Heck Horn might have a better career than both of those guys, and you could even argue a guy like Tyson Campbell might be a legitimate CB in the NFL.
The trade down and the flexibility it gives you in this draft would be hard to pass on if there and there's value.

 

[aria]

This is the pick! Surtain Jr. for best player available that fits a need!
Farley is not on the Surtain Jr. level. I like Wade more than Farley.

However, if Surtain Jr. is off the board, then we should take best player available
regardless of offense or defense.

So we take another WR?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If you are the Commanders, if your guy is there at QB you do it with whoever.

I understand that but why would you trade with the Cowboys and not the team behind them?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

First of all I don’t think drafting Farley or Surtain is better then drafting say Horne/Collins+Mohrig.
Secondly draft boards are all over the place, McShay has Fields at 15 and Lance at 19. You don’t know what a team is going to do. All I really know is that Surtain/Farley have warts and in a draft will premiere players they would go in the late teens and early 20s. They are good players but I would rather have two good players then one.

I don't understand this reasoning though....they are going to go earlier than the 20's because this draft is full of uncertainty so why would you trade down to get a guy that would normally be a late 1st round pick? For the record I'm not in love with anyone really and I'd love a trade down and still get a guy ho can come right in and start I just don't think its as easy as it sounds. And I don't know what McSahy is on but for Fields to go 15 and Lance at 19 something went awful and it screwed the Cowboys over........

 

[Daygoboy6191]

I understand that but why would you trade with the Cowboys and not the team behind them?

Might be many more teams trying to jump right ahead of the 49er's maybe less people will be calling the Cowboys and not risk being outbid.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Might be many more teams trying to jump right ahead of the 49er's maybe less people will be calling the Cowboys and not risk being outbid.

Possible. I guess we will see. Especially if a quarterback falls...I'd have to think the Commanders would want to find that guy of the future now rather than later.....At 19......ugh...I hate that spot in a draft......I'd have to get 3 picks with a 1st and 2nd involved.....

 

[acer941]

Just because they are the best corner in this draft, does it mean they are going to be a great corner.
Would Surtain or Farley be rated higher than Okudah last year.. no, Henderson.. maybe? These guys would have been the 2nd or 3rd CB off the board last year.
Farley has the highest upside, but taking into consideration the injuries and him opting out this year it's hard to evaluate and how comfortable are you with taking him top 10.
Surtain depending on how he tests he looks like an amazing zone CB, but a questionable man QB. Zone CB's are easier to get and less valuable than man CB's.

Micah Parsons might be a less injured more athletic Jaylon Smith with off the field questions. He is super raw at the positions, instincts have been questioned and non-rush LB's don't carry a huge value like other positions. So in reality, if we moved back away from these guys added a pick or two on day 2 is it really going to hurt us much.
This isn't a game-changer draft, it's a core building draft, and the more picks you have the better your chances are.

Surtain was rated higher than Okudah.

It was the Freshman from LSU and then Surtain last yr. Okudah was 3rd.

Derek Stingley
Patrick Surtain
We’re the consensus #1&2 by many of respected Analysts. They just weren’t draft Eligible at the time.

Also Alabama has been a Predominantly Man coverage team ever since Saban has took over. So I know you haven’t done too much Research on him or else you would know that his Man Coverage & Press is the best part of his game.

“At 6’1”, slightly 200 pounds, he is physical when carrying receivers downfield and he excels at taking away space towards the sideline. The Crimson Tide coaches ask him to play a ton of man, travelling into the slot for certain matchups, and to be honest, his tape is almost boring to watch, because opposing teams just don’t throw his ways. He has several reps, where he perfectly stays in phase and at best teams can try a 50-50 ball.”

 

[Daygoboy6191]

Surtain was rated higher than Okudah.

It was the Freshman from LSU and then Surtain last yr. Okudah was 3rd.

Derek Stingley
Patrick Surtain
We’re the consensus #1&2 by many of respected Analysts. They just weren’t draft Eligible at the time.

Also Alabama has been a Predominantly Man coverage team ever since Saban has took over. So I know you haven’t done too much Research on him or else you would know that his Man Coverage & Press is the best part of his game.

“At 6’1”, slightly 200 pounds, he is physical when carrying receivers downfield and he excels at taking away space towards the sideline. The Crimson Tide coaches ask him to play a ton of man, travelling into the slot for certain matchups, and to be honest, his tape is almost boring to watch, because opposing teams just don’t throw his ways. He has several reps, where he perfectly stays in phase and at best teams can try a 50-50 ball.”

If we drafted say a CJ Henderson last year I would be fine with Surtain, but I worry about having two guys that aren't burners on this team vs certain matchups.

If we had a legit FS that might change my tune a bit.

 

[kumizi]

Surtain will almost certainly be a solid starter but I see nothing in him that screams start potential.

 

[Rajveer]

I am an Alabama alum and have watched them since my college days. I would be happy with any of the following players, Leatherwood, Barrmore, Surtain, Dickerson, Jones. I know we don't need WRs but if Waddle drops to the second round because of injury, I would not mind taking him. With him, Gallop and Lamb, our WRs are set for a decade. Waddle was the best WR on this team before he got hurt and that is saying something with Devonta winning the Heisman.

 

[ColoradoCowboy]

2 Alabama CBs starting on the outside for the Dallas Cowboys...I'm interested.

Don't forget Saivion Smith too.

 

[Mr_437]

Don't forget Saivion Smith too.

Haha forgot about him.

 

[acer941]

Surtain was rated higher than Okudah.

It was the Freshman from LSU and then Surtain last yr. Okudah was 3rd.

Derek Stingley
Patrick Surtain
We’re the consensus #1&2 by many of respected Analysts. They just weren’t draft Eligible at the time.

I am an Alabama alum and have watched them since my college days. I would be happy with any of the following players, Leatherwood, Barrmore, Surtain, Dickerson, Jones. I know we don't need WRs but if Waddle drops to the second round because of injury, I would not mind taking him. With him, Gallop and Lamb, our WRs are set for a decade. Waddle was the best WR on this team before he got hurt and that is saying something with Devonta winning the Heisman.

Same here. Have also watched every game.

It’s unbelievable the WR’s we’ve had the past few years, especially Waddle. He is unreal! He dominated the first few games of year before his injury.

Your also right about those certain draft eligible Prospects. I’d love to have them all!

Surtain in the 1st, Leatherwood in the 2nd if Tyron Smith isn’t able to get Healthy. If not, Barmore wouldn’t be a bad Consolation prize.

You didn’t mention Dylon Moses, what’s yours opinion on him at LB?