Give me dominant DL over super star QB

BlueStar22

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But you can have both. Tampa just won the SB...with both. Your dislike of Dak has convinced you can't have both lol
 

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Brady's 2020 Regular Season

  • 40 TDs (tied for 2nd in the league with Wilson)
  • 12 Ints
  • Differential 28....(3rd behind Rodgers and Mahomes)
  • 102.2 QB rating
  • 4633 passing yards---3rd in the league...this number has little meaning without the previous stats though.
Plus everyone on both sides of the ball says he was the primary motivator in that locker room and gave the whole team confidence they did not fully have.

The defense WAS good though. And they were great on Super Sunday.

for perspective
  • The Buc's D gave up 22 points per game this year...which is good
  • Dallas' 2016 defense, a very solid unit that finished 5th in the league, only gave up 19 ppg
 
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stopping the run is the key,we havent been good at it for a long time because we dont invest in good DTs and our LBs suck.
I don't think they suck, (Jaylon is sus) they're just not so good that they can make up for bad gap assignment and huge holes left from the front four.
 

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Brady's 2020 Regular Season

  • 40 TDs (tied for 2nd in the league with Wilson)
  • 12 Ints
  • Differential 28....(3rd behind Rodgers and Mahomes)
  • 102.2 QB rating
  • 4633 passing yards---3rd in the league...this number has little meaning without the previous stats though.
Plus everyone on both sides of the ball says he was the primary motivator in that locker room and gave the whole team confidence they did not fully have.

The defense WAS good though. And they were great on Super Sunday.

for perspective
  • The Buc's D gave up 22 points per game this year...which is good
  • Dallas' 2016 defense, a very solid unit that finished 5th in the league, only gave up 19 ppg
What were the turnovers numbers?
 

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You guys always do this.

You all love Dak until you see something that makes you go crazy
 

lostar2009

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Tampa isn't winning a SB without Brady. A qb of his caliber is require to win the SB.
 

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Let me preface this by saying this has nothing to do with Daks contract or his value.

Thinking of what’s won the last 12 years, I think it’s obvious, if you have a dominant defensive line, you can win more than with a super star QB.

Examples:

Giants - 08 and 11.
Broncos - 2015
Eagles - 2017
Tampa - 2020

The Seahawks first Super Bowl in 2013 and the Ravens in 2012 were also both won by solid-above average QBs at the time.

Offense only teams rarely win. Last years Chiefs are about the only team to do so. The Rams-Patriots game in 2018 was the ultimate defensive struggle.

So what this means for Dallas - you can’t win anything except maybe a 9-7 NFC East title until you get the DT spots shored up with real players.
to get a dominant DL, you either have to draft well or pay way more than a QB given you would need at least 2 elite and one very good player. that's going to cost a few dollars.

with that said, Tampa has a super star QB.

also, I think reid and bienemy made a mistake going into the game with the same game plan as the last time the two teams met. of course, the thought process is why change something that worked, but they didn't seem to have a back up plan. Tampa, kept two safties deep and double triple covered Hill and the other WRs couldnt' get open and Kelce was only effective between 20s. they also sold out to rush mahomes, limiting him to half the field, betting that they cover hill, give kelce the middle and the other WRs can be singled and won't get open in time..obviously it worked. the surprising thing was that Reid and Bienemy didn't seem to have another plan, because what they were trying wasn't working and they kept doing it hoping it does....
 

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Let me preface this by saying this has nothing to do with Daks contract or his value.

Thinking of what’s won the last 12 years, I think it’s obvious, if you have a dominant defensive line, you can win more than with a super star QB.

Examples:

Giants - 08 and 11.
Broncos - 2015
Eagles - 2017
Tampa - 2020

The Seahawks first Super Bowl in 2013 and the Ravens in 2012 were also both won by solid-above average QBs at the time.

Offense only teams rarely win. Last years Chiefs are about the only team to do so. The Rams-Patriots game in 2018 was the ultimate defensive struggle.

So what this means for Dallas - you can’t win anything except maybe a 9-7 NFC East title until you get the DT spots shored up with real players.

That worked out well for the Rams and Commanders this year didn’t it.
 

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Let me preface this by saying this has nothing to do with Daks contract or his value.

Thinking of what’s won the last 12 years, I think it’s obvious, if you have a dominant defensive line, you can win more than with a super star QB.

Examples:

Giants - 08 and 11.
Broncos - 2015
Eagles - 2017
Tampa - 2020

The Seahawks first Super Bowl in 2013 and the Ravens in 2012 were also both won by solid-above average QBs at the time.

Offense only teams rarely win. Last years Chiefs are about the only team to do so. The Rams-Patriots game in 2018 was the ultimate defensive struggle.

So what this means for Dallas - you can’t win
Dallas needs a big,nasty,dominant D-Tackle to take over the middle of the D-line.
 

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I agree that there hasn't been a team that won the Super Bowl that didn't have a top 10 defense, but suggesting a DT is more important than a QB is just foolishness. The QB position is still regarded by most as the moist important position in all of sports, something even the best DT has never been thought of. You pointed out the ravens with Dilfer and their #1 defense is the one time in 55 Super Bowls where a below average QB won a Super Bowl. Even those defensive struggles you mentioned if there wasn't a good QB to get enough points on the other defense they may not have won those games. To put it another way, no sane GM would trade away their super star QB for even the best DT or if their team had nothing for QB and their choice in the draft was for the best QB in the draft or a DT, QB would win 10 out 10 times.
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I never said a single DT is worth more than a QB. I said a dominant DLine. As in the front four like the Giants in 08
 

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There's some flaws in this logic.

For example, if Foles doesn't play out of his mind those playoffs, they don't win a SB. It wasn't the DL that won them a SB, it was Foles play. So while he wasn't an "elite" QB, the Eagles got "elite" QB play in the NFC Title game and SB. They also went 13-3 in the regular season and that was in large part to the fact that was Wentz's only good season and if he hadn't gotten hurt, he probably would have had a Top 3 finish in NFL MVP voting. So I am not sure citing the Eagles 2017 season is proof you can win without an elite QB (or more specifically elite QB play).

And then it's just a game of averages. In the biggest games, who would you bet on giving you an elite QB performance? A true top level QB or rolling the die on a journeyman like Foles getting hot?

The QB is the most important position in football IMO. Sure, you can find an outlier or two but the majority of the teams that win SBs had elite QB play. That doesn't mean skimp on DTs because you have a great QB but if you have a choice between a dominant interior DL and an elite QB, you take the QB.
No one thinks 2 DT is better than a QB. A fully dominant front 4 is IMO. 2 stud DTs and DEs. Dallas is missing the 2 DTs. The DEs with DLaw and and Gregory are already good enough.
 
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Very true . Even the Broncos 97 super bowl was won with Defense , and Elway had to only throw like 150 yards all game .
Elway had Terrell Davis too. Having a dominant run game helps.

Flacko probably should have lost, but he was going up against Kaep. The Meh QB Bowl. SF even outgained them on the ground, but lost the turnover battle 2-1. Ravens won the return game too with Jacoby Jones. He had a good game receiving too.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201302030sfo.htm
 
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