NFL ranks Dak 16 out of 32 QBs

[RonnieT24]

Give me a tall pure pocket passer a good RB and a good defense. Every multiple Superbowl winning QB since '95 has been a tall pure pocket passer with a good RB and had a good defense.

Eli
Payton
Ben
Brady
Elway

I don't want a Superbowl I want several Superbowls. I want a dynasty.

You must be disqualified from this discussion for characterizing Elway and Ben as "pure pocket passers." While neither was ever Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson or even Steve Young, both were known for their movement skills in and out of the pocket especially early in their careers. Hell the most iconic play of Elway's career was a run were he got lit up and turned into a helicopter.. Having mobility does not disqualify a QB from winning multiple Super Bowls.. Not having a good running game and a good defense does.. Unfortunately what often happens with mobile QBs is their front office sees their mobility as an excuse not to invest in offensive line. It happened to Cunningham and McNabb in Philly, Vick in ATL, Romo in Dallas (until the latter part of his career) and it's happening to Wilson in Seattle and Rodgers in GB. Crappy offensive line not only gets the QB hit too much but also costs him a decent run game so it snowballs from there.

 

[CWR]

Dude please if you are going to come at me at least have the decency to come with basic facts. Did you watch the games at all. The Cowboys were leading 24-23 when Dak got hurt and were driving to extend the lead. And we were 2-3 not 1-4. It's hard to take you seriously if you're going to come that weak. Dak has shown plenty whether you want to see it or not is immaterial. In his three playoff games the guy you say has been "stopped at every crucial games" the offense has scored 31, 24 and 22 points respectively. That's a solid 25.7 ppg in the playoffs.. Some might contend that playoff teams tend to have decent defenses.. Dak has never experienced being held under 22 points in a playoff game. If you think that's no big deal it might interest you to know that Tom Brady has led HIS teams to less than 22 points in the playoffs 15 times in 45 playoff starts. Aaron Rodgers has done it 7 times in 21 starts.. Romo managed to do it 4 times in his 6 playoff starts. How has Dak played in the playoffs? 64.1 completion percentage, 265 yards/game, 5 TDs 2 INTs. Two rushing TDs thrown in for good measure. 7 TDs to 2 turnovers in the playoffs. But you're right, playoff games are not "crucial" so those should not count.

The only reason Dak hasn't won more playoff games is that while his offense has been scoring 25.7 ppg his defense has been giving up 26.7 ppg. Prescott has had his shortcomings over these first 4 years.. but we knew from the git go that he was a raw prospect who would need some years to develop. Which he has and continues to do so. "Which teams has Dak eastern alive?" I will go ahead and autocorrect that for you and tell you to take your pick.. He has 7 career games of over 400 yards passing. He has 32 career games with a passer rating over 100. In 20 of those he had a passer rating greater than 110. . He has 19 games with at least 3 TD passes.. 20 if you count the playoff game against the Packers. I suspect whichever defense he had those performances against felt like they were "eaten alive." Or "eastern" if you prefer.

I should also point out that if in fact the Cowboys sign Dak and you hate him so much you are certainly free to not watch the team with this "mediocre QB." No need to put yourself through anymore suffering right?

He has to stretch the truth to make a point. Thats how you know he's full of crap. Anyone with a shred of integrity wouldn't be here lying to sell a lame argument.

 

[Proof]

Oh I went to the NFL article in question. That the OP seriously misquoted.


The ranking was for the QB’s 2020 season. In which Dak only played 4.5 games.

not the QB’s overall ranking amongst starting QB


So even the article itself doesn’t say Dak is the 16th best QB in the league. Which the OP neglected to mention or just flat out chose not to.

lol. What a clown. Present purposely misleading info, insert straw man, demand defenses. Smh

 

[Proof]

I'm not the only one....


NFL executives say Dak Prescott is a “tier-3 quarterback”. Did they get it right?

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...rterback-did-they-get-it-right-dallas-cowboys

ESPN Ranks Dak Prescott As A “Tier 3” Quarterback

https://insidethestar.com/espn-ranks-dak-prescott-tier-3-quarterback/

Good stuff. During his worst stretch and prior to his best stretch. Checks out

 

[basel90]

Dude please if you are going to come at me at least have the decency to come with basic facts. Did you watch the games at all. The Cowboys were leading 24-23 when Dak got hurt and were driving to extend the lead. And we were 2-3 not 1-4. It's hard to take you seriously if you're going to come that weak. Dak has shown plenty whether you want to see it or not is immaterial. In his three playoff games the guy you say has been "stopped at every crucial games" the offense has scored 31, 24 and 22 points respectively. That's a solid 25.7 ppg in the playoffs.. Some might contend that playoff teams tend to have decent defenses.. Dak has never experienced being held under 22 points in a playoff game. If you think that's no big deal it might interest you to know that Tom Brady has led HIS teams to less than 22 points in the playoffs 15 times in 45 playoff starts. Aaron Rodgers has done it 7 times in 21 starts.. Romo managed to do it 4 times in his 6 playoff starts. How has Dak played in the playoffs? 64.1 completion percentage, 265 yards/game, 5 TDs 2 INTs. Two rushing TDs thrown in for good measure. 7 TDs to 2 turnovers in the playoffs. But you're right, playoff games are not "crucial" so those should not count.

The only reason Dak hasn't won more playoff games is that while his offense has been scoring 25.7 ppg his defense has been giving up 26.7 ppg. Prescott has had his shortcomings over these first 4 years.. but we knew from the git go that he was a raw prospect who would need some years to develop. Which he has and continues to do so. "Which teams has Dak eastern alive?" I will go ahead and autocorrect that for you and tell you to take your pick.. He has 7 career games of over 400 yards passing. He has 32 career games with a passer rating over 100. In 20 of those he had a passer rating greater than 110. . He has 19 games with at least 3 TD passes.. 20 if you count the playoff game against the Packers. I suspect whichever defense he had those performances against felt like they were "eaten alive." Or "eastern" if you prefer.

I should also point out that if in fact the Cowboys sign Dak and you hate him so much you are certainly free to not watch the team with this "mediocre QB." No need to put yourself through anymore suffering right?

You still believe in the Dak hype it seems . Nothing to show for it in 5 years. If the cowboys paid 26 mil for Brady we could have been in the CCG at least . Instead we paid 31.4 mil for a 1-4 start . You call it success . Seems your standard is so low . Anyway don’t worry , Jerry will pay your Dak 40 mil and you will keep enjoying mediocrity. Have fun

 

[basel90]

It's pretty easy to ignore something that literally never happened. Look up the last time the Cowboys were 1-4. (Hint .. it wasn't 2020.)

Also look up Dak’s record against winning teams . It is abysmal .

 

[Verdict]

16? Wow that's a stretch. Do YOU personally have 15 qbs you can honestly put in front of him?

I've got:
Mahomes better
Rodgers. better but shorter shelf life
Brady not sure he’s better
Wilson better
Allen. Questionable
Dak
Herbert. Questionable
Watson. Watson may be better
Murray. Murray may be better
Jackson. Jackson may be better
Stafford. May be better than Dak—shorter shelf life
Carr. May be better than Dak. Carr has experienced poorer supporting cast than Dak
Ryan. Dak is better
Goff. Dak is better
Tanny. Questionable
Ruthlessraper: Better than Dak today.
Burrow: Are you going to bet against him?

Some think “sunshine” will be better too.

Mayfield may be better.
Hurts may end up being the better player.
You can argue Dak is top 10 pretty easily but you can also make a case that he is 15th or lower pretty easily.

Off the top of my head I've got him conservatively 6-10. Thats not a Dak fan boy ranking or a hater. Many of those are interchangeable. In any event Dak is probably 5-8.

Yes I'd pay him, because he seems to improve each year and I dont believe he's the type that will get paid and get lazy. Also because drafting a QB is a crap shoot and we have a ton of offensive talent. Imagine a world where we had a decent defense. With the current structure of the league most QBs are in the AFC now. This is the perfect time to make a run in the NFC.

 

[Typhus]

Now this is funny.... You do know that Dak is shattering every "Romo record", right?

What an accomplishment

 

[Typhus]

Yeah a fascinating attempt to redirect on his part.. "This thread is about what NFL GMs and personnel people think..." The hell it is.. the thread is about a couple of self-proclaimed "expert's" opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Fine if they wanna take their word for it but it would be fun to see what would happen if Dak were allowed to hit the open market. I'm guessing Jerry and Stephen already know which is why there aint about to let it happen.

Or maybe why Dak doesnt have a contract

 

[Diehardblues]

The article on NFL ranks Dak at exactly #16

Some of you want to pay the 16th ranked QB 40 million dollars a year crippling this teams chances of doing anything meaningful for atleast 4 more years

please explain....

We haven’t done anything really meaningful in 25 years. We wasted almost 10 years with Romo. Wasted Dak and Zekes Rookie contracts. I’m not sure it matters at this point.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Not what we are talking about. What is being discussed here is how GMs view these QBs. You can't tell me that GMs don't view Jackson higher then they do Dak. GMs look at Dak and see big numbers against some really bad defenses. They look at Watson and see him put up numbers without much of an OL or weapons on Offense. That is why those players are evaluated higher IMO.

Ranking Dak at 16 is not ridiculous. It seems that way to you because you are a Cowboys fan. To the rest of the NFL, they see a guy who puts up a lot of empty stats and not a lot of wins against quality teams. They see a QB coming off major injury. They see a guy who could be anywhere from 10th to 16th but will cost you top ranked money to sign. That all plays into the evaluation.

Not only are you a bland handsome guy but you are a truth teller.
To burst the illusions of Dak sycophants is not easy but necessary.
To follow Dak is to buy into 25 years of Cowboys vanity projects, Jaylon Smith and LVE the latest, because Jerry meddles and has a big heart bigger than his brain.
Now Jerry, who said recently that Dak had all the leverege --- that was sad and goofy. And a direct shot to his foot.
Jerry is brilliant among the derricks and tunnels for gas in Ark. and Texas. That's it, rowdy old chap, old nog!
Have a fry bread on me.

I feel faint from creativity.
Hollah

 

[triplets_93]

The very definition of Elite includes that you have a good record of finding a way to win important games. Win meaning also "not losing" with bad throws. Take the recent SB. A real absence of bad throws from Tom Brady.

Starting to get the picture now??

 

[csirl]

https://www.nfl.com/news/qb-index-ranking-the-59-starting-quarterbacks-of-the-2020-nfl-season

Carr, Stafford & Cousins - 3 of the Dakadelphians favorite QBs are ranked ahead of Dak.....

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You must be disqualified from this discussion for characterizing Elway and Ben as "pure pocket passers." While neither was ever Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson or even Steve Young, both were known for their movement skills in and out of the pocket especially early in their careers. Hell the most iconic play of Elway's career was a run were he got lit up and turned into a helicopter.. Having mobility does not disqualify a QB from winning multiple Super Bowls.. Not having a good running game and a good defense does.. Unfortunately what often happens with mobile QBs is their front office sees their mobility as an excuse not to invest in offensive line. It happened to Cunningham and McNabb in Philly, Vick in ATL, Romo in Dallas (until the latter part of his career) and it's happening to Wilson in Seattle and Rodgers in GB. Crappy offensive line not only gets the QB hit too much but also costs him a decent run game so it snowballs from there.

Good point about not investing in an offensive line, I never thought of that. But Elway and Ben were good pocket passer with mobility, IMO. And I say that for their ability to see and read a defense, then deliver the ball on time.

 

[Loso86]

The article on NFL ranks Dak at exactly #16

Some of you want to pay the 16th ranked QB 40 million dollars a year crippling this teams chances of doing anything meaningful for atleast 4 more years

please explain....

That's BS name me 15 guys better than Dak. Then remember how it was to be struggling and searching for a QB after aikman went down.......until Romo, then the year Romo went down. I hope we dont sign him and resign 14 or somebody lesser than. Juuust so Dak haters can eat crow

 

[JoeKing]

The article on NFL ranks Dak at exactly #16

Some of you want to pay the 16th ranked QB 40 million dollars a year crippling this teams chances of doing anything meaningful for atleast 4 more years

please explain....

So this one report that ranks Dak at 16 is the end all be all of what Dak is really ranked and worth? LOL so dumb!

 

[Cmac]

…..Where's the Red Pistol on the list?

 

[Hadenough]

So this one report that ranks Dak at 16 is the end all be all of what Dak is really ranked and worth? LOL so dumb!

You might be on to something except many many people including myself have Dak ranked somewhere in that range.

 

[JoeKing]

You might be on to something except many many people including myself have Dak ranked somewhere in that range.

Oh, why didn't you say so in the first place? If you are saying that, it has to be true. ... (nothing but crickets)


I don't know you, you are nobody to me. Your personal ranking of Dak as a QB means nothing to me. Get over yourself and do better.

 

[Sully]

Ranking him at 16 is a joke.

that’s the explanation.

btw I don’t know who “NFL” is and how that person came up with their ranking.

To the point where I don't care where all the blame is shifted to. Or accountability acknowledged or not by the other phases such as having a defense, running game/oline or whatever factors that apply to the know it all QB evaluators here clinging to their TEAM sport mantra ONLY when their individual specific narrative agendas arent met.

He's 9-11 in his last 20 starts.
Under 2 different coaches. Pre and post pandemic. A win against a 2019 playoff Eagles imposter and a 2019 Rams non playoff team are the only 2 good wins in those 20 starts. His win-loss record and TD to Int ratio against good teams is awful.

Bout it.

But yeah, 40 mil.

Agree with your statement but ( there is always a 'but') this franchise has stunk when it comes to defense. Why this franchise, year after year, always ranks near the bottom in creating turnovers. When you look at the better QBs in the league, their defenses are at least average to above and especially in creating turnovers.
If this franchise wants to move on from Dak, which I would understand why, paying any player that kind of coin is hard, but ( there is that word again), you have to REPLACE him --with who? I recall the years this franchise struggled to find a QB after Aikman. And even with Mr. #8, this franchise had a good defense during the Team of the 90s Era.