Marinelli's Legacy of Misevaluation

TwistedL0g1k

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Dude, you falsely accused me of using hindsight. Back at ya, don't falsely accuse me.

No. You should re-read.
I made a general statement of fact, one I think anyone would agree with.
In no way was this a personal insult.
You were quick to take offense here, and reacted poorly.
 

Kingofholland

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Marinelli seems to fall in love with a certain personality and measurables overlooking true talent or production. I used to do the same in Madden knowing if the guy had speed and size I could probably turn him into a 90+ in a few seasons, lol.

We all know Marinelli had his flaws and was extremly stubborn. But one thing is for sure if a the player has any motor Marinelli will get the most of the dlinemen. Taco had a bad motor, and Hill just didn't take much seriously the first year.
 

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No. You should re-read.
I made a general statement of fact, one I think anyone would agree with.
In no way was this a personal insult.
You were quick to take offense here, and reacted poorly.
You declared that I used hindsight. I did not. It's not more complicated than that. That is the fact. Quit waffling and just admit you misinterpreted. Happens.

If your general statement of fact wasn't directed at me, you shouldn't have quoted my post.
 

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I think we saw last year that Marinelli's scheme is or was not the main issue. It has always been a talent issue. He had an average to below average defense here but that wasn't because of scheme. Maybe he was older and lost that fast ball, but as we saw with Nolan this year, Marinelli was much better.

The whole blaming Marinelli for the draft busts is flawed. An older defensive coordinator who was here for the short term should no way be given the ability to have final say. It is your talent collectors job to understand what your coordinators want/need and then find players to fill those needs/roles. Unfortunately we have Jerry and Stephen. We would have better luck blindly picking names out of a hat.
 

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I think we saw last year that Marinelli's scheme is or was not the main issue. It has always been a talent issue. He had an average to below average defense here but that wasn't because of scheme. Maybe he was older and lost that fast ball, but as we saw with Nolan this year, Marinelli was much better.

The whole blaming Marinelli for the draft busts is flawed. An older defensive coordinator who was here for the short term should no way be given the ability to have final say. It is your talent collectors job to understand what your coordinators want/need and then find players to fill those needs/roles. Unfortunately we have Jerry and Stephen. We would have better luck blindly picking names out of a hat.
No matter what, it all comes down to the GM. GM is responsible for hiring the DC.
 

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No matter what, it all comes down to the GM. GM is responsible for hiring the DC.

In most places, the head coach is responsible for hiring the defensive coordinator. Or, any member of the coaching staff that they run.

In Dallas, that sort of talk is blasphemy.
 

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Been listening to some of the team's podcasts (Draft Show and the Break) over the past few months and couple of things have popped out to me....Rod Marinelli has been directly been involved with at least two (more likely 3) significant prospect evaluations flubs:

  1. Nick Eatman talked about how during the 2019 Draft the Cowboys the debate in the war room was whether to take DT Trysten Hill at #58 or one of the safeties still on the board (Adderley, Rapp, or Thornhill). Eatman said that Marinelli went to bat for "his guy" Hill and the team rolled the dice thinking they could grab one of the safeties with their next pick at pick #90.
  2. On the Feb. 9, Draft Show Broadduss was once again rehashing the 2016 Draft debate between Jalen Ramsey and Zeke. You'll remember this was when the team had almost identical grades ("tags were touching") between the two players. The interesting bit to me was not that Marinelli (and McClay) advocated for taking Zeke, but rather that they had misevaluated Ramsey as a safety and not a corner.
*#3 I don't have insider info to 100% validate it, but I think we all suspect in the 2017 Draft that Marinelli was a primary voice in the room that misevaluated TJ Watt as a 3-4 OLB, which was ultimately a factor in passing on him in favor of Taco Charlton.
People seem to forget Rod coached the worst team in history. Guy is massively overrated. So he won a SB with Sapp, Rice, Brooks and Barber. All time talents at every level. I could have done that. Marinelli sucks.
 

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People seem to forget Rod coached the worst team in history. Guy is massively overrated. So he won a SB with Sapp, Rice, Brooks and Barber. All time talents at every level. I could have done that. Marinelli sucks.

People also forget he had an awesome defense in CHI before coming to DAL. It seems they've already forgotten DAL had a top 10 defense from 2016-2019, too.
 

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Because he doesn't have the physical ability to be a CB. He was never going to be an NFL starting CB.

S is iffy.
What ability does he not have physically? Especially for a cover 3 scheme. Is richard sherman a better athlete than Robinson? Or brandon browner? Real question
 

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What ability does he not have physically? Especially for a cover 3 scheme. Is richard sherman a better athlete than Robinson? Or brandon browner? Real question
Yes. Lateral agility and burst. The ability to mirror a WR comes from mostly that. Sherman has it coming out of his eyes ears and nose. Robinson does not.

The one thing RR has is speed. So, they're trying to make him a S, as S's do not have to cut and mirror as much. He could be the next Jeff Heath.

Back when Browner was good, the Seachickens had one of the best DLines in the game. That means your CB's simply dont' have to cover as long. I would imagine Browner benefitted from that. Don't recall as he's been anything special since.
 

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Yes. Lateral agility and burst. The ability to mirror a WR comes from mostly that. Sherman has it coming out of his eyes ears and nose. Robinson does not.

The one thing RR has is speed. So, they're trying to make him a S, as S's do not have to cut and mirror as much. He could be the next Jeff Heath.

Back when Browner was good, the Seachickens had one of the best DLines in the game. That means your CB's simply dont' have to cover as long. I would imagine Browner benefitted from that. Don't recall as he's been anything special since.
Are you basing his burst and lateral agility from your eye test or combine numbers?
 

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People also forget he had an awesome defense in CHI before coming to DAL. It seems they've already forgotten DAL had a top 10 defense from 2016-2019, too.

So many playoff wins. Such memories. The great,great Marinelli era. 1 playoff win in 3 years as Chicago DC. Awesome?
 

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So many playoff wins. Such memories. The great,great Marinelli era. 1 playoff win in 3 years as Chicago DC. Awesome?

Just hinting that the problem could be elsewhere. There's a reason people had high expectations for the team coming into the season.
 

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They let a guy that went 0-16 with the lions make personnel decisions and now everyone wonders why those decisions did not pan out.
 
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