Twitter: Cowboys adding 'secret sauce' to scouting department

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Actually I provided a few examples, but I'm good with you not seeing my point. Because, honestly, who really cares about other teams here. I'm a fan of the Cowboys and the Cowboys only.

What I know. The Cowboys ARE a family business. This is something folks really need to accept in its entirety.
This was going to be a locally owned and operated family run business from the start so there should be no shock registered at this latest one to join the clan and there will be more. Many more.

Booger owns it and can put whoever he wants into any position and this is nothing but an extension of "I am already in a funk about this team, here's another to go off on".

That said, I have 25 years of experience in working with these type businesses and the successes were easy to spot, they held the family members accountable as employees, not family when it came to the business. I've had several instances of the father or mother firing a relative even their own children because when it came to the business, it was about the business.

I do not see that with Booger. He doesn't hold himself accountable or his first born son and what makes that even worse for fans, they all know it. They will eventually have a Jones in every titled position in that front office.

On the other side of that coin is that because they are family, that doesn't mean they can't be good at what they do. Automatically assuming they're all a bunch of incompetents really isn't fair. They do have the advantage of growing up around it and we all learn from watching others, both how to do it and how not to do it.

This is just item #27 on our list of things to be pissed off about the Dallas Cowboys.
 
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I was not. I was talking about nepotism in regard to owners meddling in football operations. Its actually a rare thing in the NFL. Not a single example of that being successful.
But EYE was and YOU responded to me. So you should've focused on what I was actually posting and not your opinions and thoughts.
 

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Al Davis is one....
Both the good and the bad. At one time, before he became Crazy Al, he was a s good a football man as there was in the game but he was a football man before he bought the team.

Interesting that Al's son learned and he turned it over to a GM and HC. Rooney, Mara, Bidwell all learned to trust professionals to conduct their business. Mike Brown never learned that, he thought he knew because he father was the famous Paul Brown, indeed a football man. That is who Booger's son is going to be, the next Mike Brown. And I predict about as successful on the field.
 

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I would hazard a guess that there are tons of family members running these organizations behind the scenes. Even football decisions, but we don't follow them that close to know who is doing what. All we see are the faces in the media. With the Cowboys, we concern ourselves with scouting assistants and interns. And as fans of the teams, it makes sense. But let's not act like nepotism doesn't run rampant on these teams. It's the way the NFL is built.

Does Brian Schottenheimer get a chance without Marty?
Does Britt Reid get a job without Andy?
Does John York run the 9ers if he wasn't married to Eddie Debartolo's daughter?
Does Kyle Shanahan get a chance without Mike?

Just saying, this is one of the most normal things to occur in the NFL. At least they didn't put him in some true decision-making role. Breaking down film is where he should start.

Yes, b/c your opinion that "90% of the NFL are family run and operated off nepotism" is completely made up garbage. That statement wouldn't be even be close true even if it only included coaches.

You think other teams are run like the cowboys and you could not be more wrong.
 
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You obviously don't know much about Al Davis. He was a football coach in college and the NFL. He was a true student of the game. He absolutely nothing in common with Jerry Jones.
But the example still stands, an owner can successfully run his club with regards to the on the field action. However, that is the isolated case in modern times, Paul Brown and George Halas were very successful.
 

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But the example still stands, an owner can successfully run his club with regards to the on the field action. However, that is the isolated case in modern times, Paul Brown and George Halas were very successful.

Al Davis was a football coach before he was an owner. He was involved in football at the collegiate and NFL level long before he became an owner. Jerry was an insurance salesman and oil wildcatter. See the difference yet?
 
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90% of NFL teams are family run and operated off nepotism. Who would be shocked by this development? Having said that, he's starting from the bottom where he should if he's trying to learn the business. He grew up within the organization and has a better understanding of how it's run than anyone coming off the street. He didn't leapfrog over anyone to get the position.

Well, it's good to know he will be learning the ins and outs from the best. We wouldn't want to bring in someone "off the street" that may change the culture and direction to an actual positive or winning attitude.

I guess the hope is that his understanding of how it's run, (badly) will enable him to someday, when everyone moves up a notch in the hierarchy, make changes that will get us to a championship game.
 

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This was going to be a locally owned and operated family run business from the start so there should be no shock registered at this latest one to join the clan and there will be more. Many more.

Booger owns it and can put whoever he wants into any position and this is nothing of an extension of "I am already in a funk about this team, here's another to go off on".

That said, I have 25 years of experience in working with these type businesses and the successes were easy to spot, they held the family members accountable as employees, not family when it came to the business. I've had several instances of the father or mother firing a relative even their own children because when it came to the business, it was about the business.

I do not see that with Booger. He doesn't hold himself accountable or his first born son and what makes that even worse for fans, they all know it. They will eventually have a Jones in every titles position in that front office.

On the other side of that coin is that because they are family, that doesn't mean they can't be good at what they do. Automatically assuming they're all a bunch of incompetents really isn't fair. They do have the advantage of growing up around it and we all learn from watching others, both how to do it and how not to do it.

This is just item #27 on our list of things to be pissed off about the Dallas Cowboys.
Well said Coach.
It’s the lack of accountability that makes this organization stink. The Steelers are certainly a “family run” business with several Rooneys in key positions. BUT- what makes them different is:
  1. The Owner, Art Rooney II is also the President and his son Art III is VP. But what makes them different is they hire people to run the football operations. They hire a GM and HC, and delegate tons of authority to those guys.
  2. Very few Rooney family members are employed by the team. It’s a tightly managed family business where your last name alone doesn’t qualify you for an executive position.
Maybe someday, the Jones clan will realize that delegating football operations to experts that can be held accountable is a winning formula both on and off the field. It doesn’t mean you don’t still own the team and share in its direction and success. If only...
 

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What I know. The Cowboys ARE a family business. This is something folks really need to accept in its entirety.

I have accepted it, unfortunately. Which is why I've resigned myself to having watched my last Cowboys Super Bowl.

Not that I wouldn't want another one (or four), I just don't have confidence in the organization.
 

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But the example still stands, an owner can successfully run his club with regards to the on the field action. However, that is the isolated case in modern times, Paul Brown and George Halas were very successful.

Paul Brown and George Halas never had to manage a salary cap or free agency. It's a different world now, requiring additional skills the Joneses have had a difficult time navigating successfully.
 

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I have accepted it, unfortunately. Which is why I've resigned myself to having watched my last Cowboys Super Bowl.

Not that I wouldn't want another one (or four), I just don't have confidence in the organization.
That's fair.
They havent earned that confidence. Well, they had it, then lost it.
 

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Hazard a guess? You literally have no legs to stand on here. No where else in the NFL does the family that owns the team also GM the team and run the football operations. The families you listed are coaching families which has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

Not that it's a great franchise, but Mike Brown and the Bengals say hi.
 

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Paul Brown and George Halas never had to manage a salary cap or free agency. It's a different world now, requiring additional skills the Joneses have had a difficult time navigating successfully.
Couldn't agree more and what's even more important than that when it comes to this team, GMing is a full time job and a not a part time one where the owner gets to cherry pick the fun things he wants to do.

Booger is so comfortable that he admitted he doesn't watch film of players. Do you think any GM in the NFL would freely admit that to their owner? There are many skills and tasks required but none more important that the evaluation of talent. If he's ever watched any film, it's of receivers making catches or DB's getting picks.

A mathematician can manage the cap; takes a keen judge of talent to build a team.
 
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