The assumption of a better GM

[CouchCoach]

The majority of us want the owner to hire a GM and turn it over to him, at least that's my take.

There are others that want him to step down and turn it over to his son, which defies all known logic to me....and mankind.

But let's say he does decide to hire a GM. Is he going to hire one better than he's been or one worse? His ego is tied up with his team. Another's success accentuates his failure.

Who do you think might have been his first one he hired? Larry Lacewell? Hiring friends is as bad as hiring family.

Look at who Snyder turned his team over to in the beginning, that Sopranos cat Vinny Cerrato, the Lions let Matt Millen sink their ship and Snyder upped his play when he hired a drunk as his GM who promptly got hammered in the coaches booth, got kicked out and ended up in the press box and fired.

We're beginning to see turnover at the GM level that rivals HC's and does the owner's hiring of HC's give us a clue as to his hiring of a GM?

Be careful of what you wish for and before anyone writes they couldn't do any worse, oh yes, they could do a lot worse.

Our two best hopes are that 1) he finally gets it, begins working full time and is able to be a top rate GM or 2) we get lucky. I am not so sure I would hope that he hire a GM.

 

[Risen Star]

It doesn't matter who he hires to replace himself. It only matters that the GM position with the Cowboys is one you must earn to get and produce to retain. That is the single biggest improvement this team could ever make and there isn't a close 2nd. We're arguing over interior decorating while the foundation keeps shifting.

 

[Future]

I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM. They all pretty much suck, especially to fans who hindsight everything.

Most folks on this board who are critical of Jerry clamor for "get a football person in place." When that happens, you get Bill O'Brien lol

 

[Risen Star]

I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM. They all pretty much suck, especially to fans who hindsight everything.

Most folks on this board who are critical of Jerry clamor for "get a football person in place." When that happens, you get Bill O'Brien lol

Lots of GMs go 0 for 25.

 

[CouchCoach]

I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM. They all pretty much suck, especially to fans who hindsight everything.

Most folks on this board who are critical of Jerry clamor for "get a football person in place." When that happens, you get Bill O'Brien lol

Not always but that is definitely a possibility.

There are not a lot of people that can do that job, it is a lot more difficult than we imagine. Since turning over the HC's 20-25% every year is the constant, the first job of the GM is 25% failure and most are hiring their 1st HC after taking over for a GM that got fired for hiring his last HC.

Here's my problem with Booger, he doesn't do it full time. I would like to see him do it completely full time and do all of the requirements of the job and then see what kind of GM he could be. Because he has proven himself to be better as a part time GM than quite a few full time GM's. I do not think he would be so follow the ball as a full time GM.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

@CouchCoach People love to make the GM the scapegoat when things go bad. Ask these same people what characteristics make a good GM and they are speechless. They have no clue. All they do is say Ozzie and then leave.

The GM never works in a vacuum. All owners, GMs, and coaches work together. Some a little more than others.

What do people look for in a GM? College grad? MBA ? Former player? Former coach? Former scout?

We got armchair GMs here offering Dak $40M plus and he can’t even pass a physical.

Jerry and his family have ate, drank, and slept football for the past 30 years.

People don’t want a ‘real GM.’ They just want someone to blame other than the players.

 

[CouchCoach]

It doesn't matter who he hires to replace himself. It only matters that the GM position with the Cowboys is one you must earn to get and produce to retain. That is the single biggest improvement this team could ever make and there isn't a close 2nd. We're arguing over interior decorating while the foundation keeps shifting.

RT, how likely do you think that is with the previous HC getting 10 years?

You are arguing a point that is already made, what they've been doing hasn't worked. And Booger is not changing the way he does things. The worse GM job in the NFL would be working for him because he's incapable of hands off.

There is no way he would have stood back and let Pederson wreck his plans for his QB after Roseman had extended him. He would have been neck deep in that entire thing.

I really think if we knew the involvement that Booger has in the day to day, even those that think it's too much would be shocked. I think it is one man's team and all do his bidding.

I wonder how many GM's approve the weekly game plan?

 

[aria]

I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM. They all pretty much suck, especially to fans who hindsight everything.

Most folks on this board who are critical of Jerry clamor for "get a football person in place." When that happens, you get Bill O'Brien lol

Or you could get a John Lynch.

When a team doesn’t even reach the their Conference championship and wins only one divisional playoff game in 25 years it’s time for a change. They haven’t even sniffed a Conference championship and keep saying “next year” while coming up with more and more excuses. Do you think JG would have been HC as long as he was if Jerry wasn’t the GM? Do you think Parcells would have been run off, or Jimmy for that matter, if Jerry wasn’t the GM? Do you think players would be coddled like they are in the country club atmosphere if Jerry wasn't the GM? Do you think we would waste picks on guys like Jaylon and LVE if Jerry wasn’t the GM? There are a few other GM’s who were dumb enough to draft a RB in the top 10 but most of them have been fired and the other is lucky he has an ignorant owner because they’ve had the worst overall record in the league over the past 3 years, the NY Giants.

Jerry is absolutely a bad GM and it’s laughable to say Jerry is “just as good/ bad as every other GM”. I retract that statement, he is just as “bad” as the other GM’s who have been fired.

It was time for a change over 15 years ago. In 2012, Jerry even said he would have fired himself as GM but since he works for himself he can’t do that. Some of you are just as bad as Jerry when it comes to justifying his position as GM but mediocrity and failure is the Cowboys way so I’m not surprised.

 

[CouchCoach]

Or you could get a John Lynch.

When a team doesn’t even reach the their Conference championship and wins only one divisional playoff game in 25 years it’s time for a change. They haven’t even sniffed a Conference championship and keep saying “next year” while coming up with more and more excuses. Do you think JG would have been HC as long as he was if Jerry wasn’t he GM? Do you think Parcells would have been run off, or Jimmy for that matter, if Jerry wasn’t the GM? Do you think players would be coddled like they are in the country club atmosphere if Jerry wasn't the GM? Do you think we would waste picks on guys like Jaylon and LVE if Jerry wasn’t the GM? There are a few other GM’s who were dumb enough to draft a RB in the top 10 but most of them have been fired and the other is lucky he has an ignorant owner because they’ve had the worst overall record in the league over the past 3 years, the NY Giants.

Jerry is absolutely a bad GM and it’s laughable to say Jerry is “just as good/ bad as every other GM”. I retract that statement, he is just as “bad” as the other GM’s who have been fired.

It was time for a change over 15 years ago. In 2012, Jerry even said he would have fired himself as GM but since he works for himself he can’t do that. Some of you are just as bad as Jerry when it comes to justifying his position as GM but mediocrity and failure is the Cowboys way so I’m not surprised.

Justification of his job as GM is a moot point as he is the owner.

 

[Jake]

The majority of us want the owner to hire a GM and turn it over to him, at least that's my take.

There are others that want him to step down and turn it over to his son, which defies all known logic to me....and mankind.

But let's say he does decide to hire a GM. Is he going to hire one better than he's been or one worse? His ego is tied up with his team. Another's success accentuates his failure.

Who do you think might have been his first one he hired? Larry Lacewell? Hiring friends is as bad as hiring family.

Look at who Snyder turned his team over to in the beginning, that Sopranos cat Vinny Cerrato, the Lions let Matt Millen sink their ship and Snyder upped his play when he hired a drunk as his GM who promptly got hammered in the coaches booth, got kicked out and ended up in the press box and fired.

We're beginning to see turnover at the GM level that rivals HC's and does the owner's hiring of HC's give us a clue as to his hiring of a GM?

Be careful of what you wish for and before anyone writes they couldn't do any worse, oh yes, they could do a lot worse.

Our two best hopes are that 1) he finally gets it, begins working full time and is able to be a top rate GM or 2) we get lucky. I am not so sure I would hope that he hire a GM.

Ideally, the job search for a GM would be outsourced to a qualified, third-party recruitment firm and Jerry/Stephen would accept their recommendation. That keeps the emotions out of it.

The two of them actually agreeing to such a process seems extremely unlikely, unfortunately.

 

[aria]

Justification of his job as GM is a moot point as he is the owner.

That’s correct he doesn’t have to justify it which is part of the reason this team sucks. Every other GM has an owner to answer to and if they don’t meet certain expectations then they lose their job. Jerry doesn’t have to meet any expectations but his own and the bar is so incredibly low that winning one divisional playoff game in TWENTY FIVE YEARS is good enough for him as his own GM.

He doesn’t even meet fans expectations and the continue to pad his wallet which are probably the knly expectations he really does have...make more money, football is secondary.

 

[ShortRound]

The "search for a GM" would be like the search for the last coach. One candidate with a sleepover.
We all know what the first candidate was let's not pretend it was sincere. Nothing about the process made any sense. It was a gut hire by Jerry.

Quoted words for fantasy.

 

[starman22]

Lots of GMs go 0 for 25.

For the same team, lol.

 

[fivetwos]

Lots of GMs go 0 for 25.

Well most dont get the shot at 25....and thats our "advantage."

You know this of course.

 

[Future]

Not always but that is definitely a possibility.

There are not a lot of people that can do that job, it is a lot more difficult than we imagine. Since turning over the HC's 20-25% every year is the constant, the first job of the GM is 25% failure and most are hiring their 1st HC after taking over for a GM that got fired for hiring his last HC.

Here's my problem with Booger, he doesn't do it full time. I would like to see him do it completely full time and do all of the requirements of the job and then see what kind of GM he could be. Because he has proven himself to be better as a part time GM than quite a few full time GM's. I do not think he would be so follow the ball as a full time GM.

It's got nothing to do with being able to do the job, really.

The NFL - player acquisition - is imperfect. A player could hit every metric, you acquire them, and their game falls apart. There's nothing a GM can do about that. Really, that's what dictates success.

 

[CouchCoach]

I know I am outside of my mind for saying this but the job search for a GM would be outsourced to a qualified, third-party recruitment firm and Jerry/Stephen would accept their recommendation. That keeps the emotions out of it.

The two of them actually agreeing to such a process seems extremely unlikely, unfortunately.

FIFY

 

[fivetwos]

The "search for a GM" would be like the search for the last coach. One candidate with a sleepover.
We all know what the first candidate was let's not pretend it was sincere. Nothing about the process made any sense. It was a gut hire by Jerry.

Quoted words for fantasy.

That's exactly what happened and the better part of me wants me to realize it.

Theres another part that wants me to hope.

Its insanely ridiculous that Jerry came to the conclusion to hire MM that quickly, and shows how easy it is to sell the guy making all the decisions.

Then again, Jerry only wanted a puppet.

One can probably realize they have found one within 12 hours.

 

[Risen Star]

The "search for a GM" would be like the search for the last coach. One candidate with a sleepover.
We all know what the first candidate was let's not pretend it was sincere. Nothing about the process made any sense. It was a gut hire by Jerry.

Quoted words for fantasy.

But if he held that GM accountable and would replace him with another if results warrant it then it's a better system than going into a 26th season with a GM who's 0 for 25.

I'll take a revolving door of candidates hoping to hit on one than a proven failure till death do we part.

 

[CouchCoach]

That's exactly what happened and the better part of me wants me to realize it.

Theres another part that wants me to hope.

Its insanely ridiculous that Jerry came to the conclusion to hire MM that quickly, and shows how easy it is to sell the guy making all the decisions.

Then again, Jerry only wanted a puppet.

One can probably realize they have found one within 12 hours.

McC fit the requirements perfectly. 1) love his boy Dak Prescott 2) love his boy Kellen Moore and 3) make his son look thinner at joint press conferences.

It was one of the more unusual HC hunts and it reflects on how the owner looks at the HC position. Got to have a first rate stadium, practice facility and the best of everything and a HC in a 12 hour interview. One that he didn't even know and had to ask the outgoing HC about him.

If you were a GM, would you not know something about a HC that had been in GB for 13 years, won a ring and kicked your butt several times? Part of the GM job is networking within the league and not just with the other fat cats about the hottest ports to hang out in. That's the problem, part time and just time on the fun things.

 

[CouchCoach]

But if he held that GM accountable and would replace him with another if results warrant it then it's a better system than going into a 26th season with a GM who's 0 for 25.

I'll take a revolving door of candidates hoping to hit on one than a proven failure till death do we part.

Yep, I like the odds of that too. I mean I was ready to cut bait after 23 years, didn't need the additional 2.