The assumption of a better GM

[TwoCentPlain]

Titans' GM gave Tannehill $118M over 4 years and drafted Isaiah Wilson, an OT from GA, with the 29th pick in the draft last year. Wilson played 4, count them, snaps and is likely done as a Titan. The GM is publicly out there telling the player he needs to figure out if he wants to play football.

I think he became GM in 2016. From wiki: During his tenure as general manager, Robinson has drafted 29 players. Two of which, running back Derrick Henry and safety Kevin Byard, have made Pro Bowls. That is 2/29 which is 6.8%. Jerry Jones is at 16%. The league average is 9.9%

The article below is one year old and doesn't have 2020 into account. But Lamb and Diggs have Pro Bowl potential.
https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ber-of-pro-bowlers-drafted-over-last-10-years

Yeah, yeah, it is all about the ring. 25 Years and counting. Blah, blah, blah. If that is your sole measuring stick then continue on with your complaining.

 

[Silly]

It's got nothing to do with being able to do the job, really.

The NFL - player acquisition - is imperfect. A player could hit every metric, you acquire them, and their game falls apart. There's nothing a GM can do about that. Really, that's what dictates success.

I don't think Jerry's winning strategies have been working. Particularly, all the project draft picks. He is hurting the team and needs to step aside.

 

[Typhus]

Funny you mention.

I was thinking earlier I can't stand that guy so much that I don't want to see him win....and give him ammo for trying to spin it as if he ever had a clue.

Yet there I am rooting every week.

I dont think I'll ultimately have a problem.

I just wonder how much longer fans will allow this.

Because your a fan of the Cowboys,, you always will be.
We will always be, if you are a real fan.
My best friend is 60 years old and has always been a hard core Browns fan, now I get to see him have some enjoyment.
His team finally actually making some noise.

 

[Motorola]

I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM. They all pretty much suck, especially to fans who hindsight everything.

Most folks on this board who are critical of Jerry clamor for "get a football person in place." When that happens, you get Bill O'Brien lol

But you might also get a Bill Belichick, Jason Licht, Brett Veach, Ted Thompson, George Young, Bill Walsh, Bobby Bethard, Tex Schramm.
General manager of an NFL team -or any professional sports franchise - is a position that is part and parcel to change in leadership due to demands for success over a period of time. Change is needed when results are not up to standards or goals relative to the sports league \association.

 

[Bobhaze]

It doesn't matter who he hires to replace himself. It only matters that the GM position with the Cowboys is one you must earn to get and produce to retain. That is the single biggest improvement this team could ever make and there isn't a close 2nd. We're arguing over interior decorating while the foundation keeps shifting.

Great post. Dead on.

 

[Bobhaze]

I think people just need to realize that Jerry just as good/bad as every other GM. They all pretty much suck, especially to fans who hindsight everything.

Most folks on this board who are critical of Jerry clamor for "get a football person in place." When that happens, you get Bill O'Brien lol

I hear you- GMs don’t often work out. But what about guys like:

• Ozzie Newsome for the ravens- 2 SB rings, 2 AFC championships, 14 playoff wins.
• Kevin Colbert of the Steelers who has been with org 20 years, 10 as GM and has 2 rings and 3 AFC championships as well.
  
• John Schneider of the Seahawks- 1 ring, 2 NFC championships
• Brett Veach of the Chiefs- 1 ring, 2 AFC championships
• Can’t forget Bill Belechick- you know what he’s done
• The late Ted Thompson who was packer GM 2005-2017- 2 SB rings
• Tampa Bays Jason Licht who obviously got a ring this year but was a part of 3 otherorgs that went to SBs

Saying Jerry is “just as good/bad as every other GM” is not an accurate statement. He’s clearly not as good as these guys. And this isn’t everyone the last 25 years. Just the last 15-20.

 

[Future]

I hear you- GMs don’t often work out. But what about guys like:

• Ozzie Newsome for the ravens- 2 SB rings, 2 AFC championships, 14 playoff wins.
• Kevin Colbert of the Steelers who has been with org 20 years, 10 as GM and has 2 rings and 3 AFC championships as well.
  
• John Schneider of the Seahawks- 1 ring, 2 NFC championships
• Brett Veach of the Chiefs- 1 ring, 2 AFC championships
• Can’t forget Bill Belechick- you know what he’s done
• The late Ted Thompson who was packer GM 2005-2017- 2 SB rings
• Tampa Bays Jason Licht who obviously got a ring this year but was a part of 3 otherorgs that went to SBs
• Jerry Jones - 3 Super Bowls in 4 years

Saying Jerry is “just as good/bad as every other GM” is not an accurate statement. He’s clearly not as good as these guys. And this isn’t everyone the last 25 years. Just the last 15-20.

FIFY

Congrats on finding 7 guys in the last 20 years though. It makes my point anyway

 

[Future]

I don't think Jerry's winning strategies have been working. Particularly, all the project draft picks. He is hurting the team and needs to step aside.

This is why I say that fans using hindsight makes it impossible to be a GM. There's justification for the "projects." Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Would we be sitting here talking about how smart Jerry was if Jaylon's game didn't fall apart and Randy didn't get suspended?

 

[Qcard]

The majority of us want the owner to hire a GM and turn it over to him, at least that's my take.

There are others that want him to step down and turn it over to his son, which defies all known logic to me....and mankind.

But let's say he does decide to hire a GM. Is he going to hire one better than he's been or one worse? His ego is tied up with his team. Another's success accentuates his failure.

Who do you think might have been his first one he hired? Larry Lacewell? Hiring friends is as bad as hiring family.

Look at who Snyder turned his team over to in the beginning, that Sopranos cat Vinny Cerrato, the Lions let Matt Millen sink their ship and Snyder upped his play when he hired a drunk as his GM who promptly got hammered in the coaches booth, got kicked out and ended up in the press box and fired.

We're beginning to see turnover at the GM level that rivals HC's and does the owner's hiring of HC's give us a clue as to his hiring of a GM?

Be careful of what you wish for and before anyone writes they couldn't do any worse, oh yes, they could do a lot worse.

Our two best hopes are that 1) he finally gets it, begins working full time and is able to be a top rate GM or 2) we get lucky. I am not so sure I would hope that he hire a GM.

Hopefully the marketing and branding department will save us

 

[kskboys]

@CouchCoach People love to make the GM the scapegoat when things go bad. Ask these same people what characteristics make a good GM and they are speechless. They have no clue. All they do is say Ozzie and then leave.

The GM never works in a vacuum. All owners, GMs, and coaches work together. Some a little more than others.

What do people look for in a GM? College grad? MBA ? Former player? Former coach? Former scout?

We got armchair GMs here offering Dak $40M plus and he can’t even pass a physical.

Jerry and his family have ate, drank, and slept football for the past 30 years.

People don’t want a ‘real GM.’ They just want someone to blame other than the players.

No, ninja, Jerry has not immersed himself in football, and has stated so himself.

 

[CouchCoach]

This is why I say that fans using hindsight makes it impossible to be a GM. There's justification for the "projects." Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Would we be sitting here talking about how smart Jerry was if Jaylon's game didn't fall apart and Randy didn't get suspended?

Funny that you select those two as examples. One was an injury risk and the other a drug risk. Hill was a dedication risk.

There are inherent risks with every player a GM adds to his roster, that's just the game. This GM takes that to another level because he does not fear for his job.

 

[blueblood70]

I hear you- GMs don’t often work out. But what about guys like:

• Ozzie Newsome for the ravens- 2 SB rings, 2 AFC championships, 14 playoff wins.
• Kevin Colbert of the Steelers who has been with org 20 years, 10 as GM and has 2 rings and 3 AFC championships as well.
  
• John Schneider of the Seahawks- 1 ring, 2 NFC championships
• Brett Veach of the Chiefs- 1 ring, 2 AFC championships
• Can’t forget Bill Belechick- you know what he’s done
• The late Ted Thompson who was packer GM 2005-2017- 2 SB rings
• Tampa Bays Jason Licht who obviously got a ring this year but was a part of 3 otherorgs that went to SBs

Saying Jerry is “just as good/bad as every other GM” is not an accurate statement. He’s clearly not as good as these guys. And this isn’t everyone the last 25 years. Just the last 15-20.

yup wow what HUGE LIST..you just described Dak prescott if we were debating QBs with short ist above that outs him in 2nd tier..others have showed Jerry not the worst GM and we all know hes GM in title and uses WM and others to fill aspects of the Gm positions sometimes handled by one person..so there are elite GMs like QBs but hard to find and many failures in changing them out would be the predicted outcome. Jerrys not top GM ie elite just like daks good but not elite..and?

no one knows how different a GM would be here because we havent experienced it but looking around at 32 teams and you 7 examples over a very pong time doesnt solve that question. I'Il agree that post Jimmy that first 5-10 years were horrible and Jerry made some super bad coaching hires and drafts..however the last 10years i dont see much difference in what Jerry and WM and company have done vs some of the other top 16 teams..

owners still have the final word especially here so a stand alone GM may not resolve anything because right now McClay truly the GM here..so Maybe Mclay is the one that needs to be let go and fresh blood brought in??

 

[kevm3]

25 years of mediocrity tells you all you need to know of why we need a GM and we need a hands off ownership.. .but I don't think that'll happen anytime soon, so to save your emotions, let's just expect our ceiling to be 2nd round of playoffs for the next decade.

 

[CouchCoach]

I hear you- GMs don’t often work out. But what about guys like:

• Ozzie Newsome for the ravens- 2 SB rings, 2 AFC championships, 14 playoff wins.
• Kevin Colbert of the Steelers who has been with org 20 years, 10 as GM and has 2 rings and 3 AFC championships as well.
  
• John Schneider of the Seahawks- 1 ring, 2 NFC championships
• Brett Veach of the Chiefs- 1 ring, 2 AFC championships
• Can’t forget Bill Belechick- you know what he’s done
• The late Ted Thompson who was packer GM 2005-2017- 2 SB rings
• Tampa Bays Jason Licht who obviously got a ring this year but was a part of 3 otherorgs that went to SBs

Saying Jerry is “just as good/bad as every other GM” is not an accurate statement. He’s clearly not as good as these guys. And this isn’t everyone the last 25 years. Just the last 15-20.

However, he is not the worst we could do for a GM, that's my point. There have been and are far worse GM's and we could have one because of how Booger wants to be involved. No one can manage anything with the owner looking over their shoulder all the time.

He bought this team not as investment but to run it as an enterprise with the idea that there would always be a Jones at the head of the table, and scattered all around. In that regard it's like the NYG, PIT, AZ, NE, family controlled and owned but they are not family run from the GM on down.

Does DAL not mirror CIN? Marvin Lewis handed in his resignation and Mike Brown would not accept it. How would our fans have reacted if that had happened with Booger and Garrett? We would have had to visit Ranching at the home and help him look for his mind.

We all want better but we could have all had worse. We could have had the same swinging door on HC's and QB's at the GM level because the facts show that the Joneses are not great at evaluating people. They never will be as long as the use the criteria they do for hiring. McC spent those 12 hours making his new boss comfortable, before they made s'mores.

 

[Future]

Funny that you select those two as examples. One was an injury risk and the other a drug risk. Hill was a dedication risk.

There are inherent risks with every player a GM adds to his roster, that's just the game. This GM takes that to another level because he does not fear for his job.

This is flat out wrong. It's based on the idea that Jerry is the only guy who takes injured/character concern players early lmao

 

[CouchCoach]

25 years of mediocrity tells you all you need to know of why we need a GM and we need a hands off ownership.. .but I don't think that'll happen anytime soon, so to save your emotions, let's just expect our ceiling to be 2nd round of playoffs for the next decade.

That's where mine have been for the last two decades but I am not a SB or bust fan, I do not have to have that.

And to be fair, during that mediocrity, we did have some exciting teams that we at least felt could go further. In that regard, I would not compare our plight to that of the CLE and DET fans.

I like to point out execution v play calling when the coaches get hammered and that should also apply to the unforeseen circumstance a GM will encounter. Many are sticking a fork in Belichick but fail to consider he had the most opt outs this season and one of them was his D QB. That was the same effect of him losing his real QB.

Booger had a lot of injures and with the lack of depth, that played hell with the OL and D. If we weren't so pissed at him, we'd most likely give him a better break on that. He didn't do what most here wanted him to do but it's not like he ignored the apparent problems on the D.

 

[CouchCoach]

This is flat out wrong. It's based on the idea that Jerry is the only guy who takes injured/character concern players early lmao

Please point out the other GM that does this close to the degree he does.

 

[Future]

Please point out the other GM that does this close to the degree he does.

All of them. You're literally talking about every player with injury or character concerns taken in the first two rounds. Those guys are drafted every year.

 

[Silly]

This is why I say that fans using hindsight makes it impossible to be a GM. There's justification for the "projects." Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Would we be sitting here talking about how smart Jerry was if Jaylon's game didn't fall apart and Randy didn't get suspended?

I would argue that it is Jerry that should use hindsight. Lee is his only project success. However, I think Lee was been hurt more than he has played. It has been over a decade. Jerry is not getting it done. It is time for a change.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Lions owner Sheila Ford Hamp getting involved in FA and personnel decisions. And you people complained about owner Jerry getting involved. I don’t think she has ever played the game before.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...p-involved-in-personnel-free-agency-meetings/

I’m picturing the three Beetles looking at Yoko in the studio and biting their tongues.