Dak in 2020

[TheMarathonContinues]

I honestly don’t remember. Refresh my memory.

It was a collective effort IMO. Dak had his share of blame in it as well. He's much further down the list then the likes of Jason Garrett, the defense, etc.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Don't see any team willing to give up for than maybe 2 3rd rounders for dak.

Bryan Broaddus asked a few people in the NFL what they think they can get for Dak and they said 2 1st rounders....

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Bryan Broaddus asked a few people in the NFL what they think they can get for Dak and they said 2 1st rounders....

If healthy and under a decent contract, Dak has value. I doubt it is 2 1st rounders.
Dak has no value until he can pass a physical.
Dak has no value if he is looking for $35-40M/year.

A healthy Dak signed under a $25M/year contract is worth 2 1st rounders.

All about talent, health, and money. The three are inseparable.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

If healthy and under a decent contract, Dak has value. I doubt it is 2 1st rounders.
Dak has no value until he can pass a physical.
Dak has no value if he is looking for $35-40M/year.

A healthy Dak signed under a $25M/year contract is worth 2 1st rounders.

All about talent, health, and money. The three are inseparable.

Not happenin'.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

It was a collective effort IMO. Dak had his share of blame in it as well. He's much further down the list then the likes of Jason Garrett, the defense, etc.

Well, I definitely don’t want to pay a QB $40M if he had his share of blame in a failed season. I can get the same results with a QB making half or less.

 

[visionary]

If I am Dallas, I don't sign him to a long term deal this year. No one knows what player they are going to get with Dak. He has played great at times and he has played horrible at times. After being beat up in the ATL game a few years ago, it took him nearly a year to recover and he wasn't even injured. He may never be the same player again with the injury he suffered.. he might be though, but I wouldn't tie up 150-200 million on a maybe.

Problem is that next years QB class is not very good. You also get nothing once he walks next year and there is a glut of very good QBs this year in draft and those who want to be traded. So this is the year to do something if we’re not going to do a long term deal.

I would tell Dak that we are not signing him long term. I would apply the non exclusive franchise tag and let him walk if a team signs him and get their 2 rd 1 picks. Then use those resources to get a QB in draft or via trade. If Jets offer the overall 2 or the Seahawks offer Wilson I’d do it straight up

Dak has proven he is an above average QB who wants elite money and I’m not in favor of paying it

Problem is that the Joneses are scared that they have no idea how to evaluate talent but they know that Dak will keep them “relevant “ so they can stay in the headlines and keep taking in the dollars so they’re going to sign him long term

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Not happenin'.

Could easily happen if Jerry let’s Dak be an UFA. No team is paying his ridiculous $35-40M demand. Jerry is bidding against himself.

Hopefully, Jerry does not cave and matches any offer Dak can get on the market. Jerry knows this. Jerry also knows it is a PR battle with the ‘church of Dak’ worshippers and players. The Dak fans demand Dak ‘gets paid’ because they value Dak over the team. Fans and their QB tunnel vision. The players want Dak to get paid because they demand money and loyalty from Jerry in case they would get injured.

Dak is not getting paid $35-40M from any team even healthy. Not happening. Only Jerry would pay that to appease the ‘church of Dak’ and the players. Winning a championship is a 4th or 5th priority, unfortunately.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If healthy and under a decent contract, Dak has value. I doubt it is 2 1st rounders.
Dak has no value until he can pass a physical.
Dak has no value if he is looking for $35-40M/year.

A healthy Dak signed under a $25M/year contract is worth 2 1st rounders.

All about talent, health, and money. The three are inseparable.

They said knowing what they know with injury and at 40 million...he'd net 2 1st rounders.

 

[Ranched]

In the five games Dak played in, he threw 4 ints and fumbled 3 times. The numerous Cowboy mistakes made them play catch up all/most of the games.

Not having practices/preseason due to Covid-19 will do that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well, I definitely don’t want to pay a QB $40M if he had his share of blame in a failed season. I can get the same results with a QB making half or less.

That's silly logic. So because Russell Wilson had a failed season he shouldn't be paid? The only person act should be paid is who wins the Super Bowl since its not a failed season? Yeah...that's not really sound logic there but you're entitled to it. Either way...its not about what me and you will pay its about what Jerry will pay and he's paying much more than 40 million to a bunch of underachievers.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Since his rookie year Dak has killed the giants and never lost since that year.

Funny those same guys saying Dak doesn't get the win against the giants are the same ones that said Romo won the games in 15 that he didn't finish.

It's called double standard and hypocrisy with an bias agenda

 

[Future]

7 turnovers in 4.5 games. Is this good? Does that win games? Worth 40 million per?

Go through every turnover and tell which ones are his fault.

Russ had 7 Ints and 6 fumbles over a 9-game period to end last year.
Mahomes had 4 INTs and 3 fumbles in the final 3 games last year.

These stretches happen to every quarterback. Don't comment on what Dak is or isn't worth until you have realistic expectatoins.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

This thread is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that Dak is an above average quarterback in the NFL, but will not be a guy that reaches that top 5 QB tier. Nit picking his performances will lead to no where. I believe he is 4th in the NFL behind Brady, Mahomes, and Brees in the last 4 years in wins (with a significantly worse supporting cast IMO). Saying that a quarterback needs help to win as a knock is stupid. Name a single guy in the NFL winning a ton of games with a trash team built around him. I'll wait.

All of that being said, I think the smart move is to let him walk. The way this team is currently constructed, I think that our best move is to tag and trade him for a King's ransom. He has value. Eagles effectively got a first and a third for Wentz and I think you would get a first and second or even two firsts for Dak considering the interest in him around the league. Signing or even tagging him for this year would put us in cap Hell for the next 2 or 3 seasons before the new TV deal increases the cap. We have a real chance to right this ship by making the smart moves right now. We have a war chest of draft picks, young building blocks on offense, and a defense that needs rebuilt from the ground up in FA and the draft. Trade Dak, take a QB this year, use the picks to dominate the draft the next year or two, cut dead weight the next 2 seasons (Zeke, Jaylon, etc) and assuming we hit on the QB we will be on the fast track to the top of the NFC.

This is not a knock on Dak. I love the player and the leader he has become for our team however it just seems like the arrangement is just not going to work out. If I were him I don't think I would even want to play for Dallas. Why would he want to continue to put up with Jerry's BS and poorly constructed teams? If he goes to SF, NE, DEN, or WFT I think he turns them into instant contenders since they all have good defenses and offensive casts built up and they are really a good QB away.

 

[Future]

Could easily happen if Jerry let’s Dak be an UFA. No team is paying his ridiculous $35-40M demand. Jerry is bidding against himself.

This is so incredibly wrong.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Don't comment on what Dak is or isn't worth until you have realistic expectatoins.

Dak isn't worth what he is asking for. If the best to ever play the game was pulling in 28 million, Dak certainly isn't worth even a fraction of that.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

This is so incredibly wrong.

Yeah I am pretty sure he would be signed for around 35 mil a year within a week. Teams that are ready to win now like WFT, DEN, SF, etc would instantly pay that considering what they have at QB right now.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Dak isn't worth what he is asking for. If the best to ever play the game was pulling in 28 million, Dak certainly isn't worth even a fraction of that.

Brady consistently took significantly less money to help the patriots/Bucs with cap. Not realistic to expect everyone to do that.

 

[Future]

Dak isn't worth what he is asking for. If the best to ever play the game was pulling in 28 million, Dak certainly isn't worth even a fraction of that.

Dak as a FA is worth way more than Brady. Brady got that because he's old.

I love the laziness of this argument though. It ignores every bit of context possible.

 

[Starforever]

A lot is being said about Dak's gaudy stats last year and it is worth visiting those numbers.

In the five games Dak played in, he threw 4 ints and fumbled 3 times. The numerous Cowboy mistakes made them play catch up all/most of the games. Dak threw a lot of passes against bad or prevent defenses last year. He did not have to face the Commanders front 7 either time. The Cowboys went 2-3 in those games needing a miracle to beat the lowly Falcons.

Yes, Dak put up some huge yards in those games. I like Dak, his skill set and his leadership.

With that said, giving him 40 mil per will put this team squarely where it has been. Average.

If the Cowboys can get a first and a third(or more), you need to avoid cap disaster. Dak needs help to win and if anything 2020 proved that.

How can you assess Dak, on just last year stats? The Cowboys were 2-2, going into the Giants game, and they were leading when he was hurt. What would you say after his other seasons played?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

This is so incredibly wrong.

Well, we would find out very easily if Jerry let’s Dak see what he can get on the open market. Love to see Jerry do that.