Video: Fish: Cowboys + Dak agent idea of just 3 years? Biggest win of qb’s career

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I am going to be very very clear.
No QB in this draft or 99% of any other draft is as good as Pat Mahomes.
Scouts are very flawed but it was clear Pat was a once in a lifetime talent at QB.
He was so much better than Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray to not be in the same universe.
He has Aaron Rodgers level arm talent and an off-field history that resembles Mother Teresa.
He played through injury and put up 500 yards a game passing.
He had natural arm ability based on touch and instinct that allows weird arm angle passes and left-hand throws because he grew up playing baseball and working those hot potato type skills.

Anyone that wants to take a shot from half court for a QB that's OK. It's rather nuts but OK. I'd personally be out on that 100%. And I mean like don't bother to watch Cowboys football out.
Dallas averaged over 32 PPG last year with Dak. They averaged just over 22 without him. That's an insane drop off.
And that was with arguably the most coveted NFL back up in football in place.

So no thanks on that nonsense plan.
Ok. Zach Wilson will be Mahomes 2.0

Got it
You're preaching to the choir on the defense winning championships. Yes you used the best example with Mahomes so now I'll use the worst example on college QB's that were all hyped up as the next best thing since sliced bread that turned out as a bust. The very first pick in a draft was a QB named Jamarcus Russell by the raiders He never made it through his rookie contract and was already out of football.

Now the ravens are the only team to win a Super Bowl with a average or below average QB, Dilfer, but they had a record setting #1 defense. Now with signing Dalton and his zero for 5 record in wildcard games and also WASTING draft picks on a QB so the Cowboys can spend a reduced cap on cap casualties who's price may come down a little but not enough to be able to sign all the players needed to turn their defense into a top 10 defense because they wasted their top couple of picks on that QB. That reminds of a time when the WFT went out and bought all of the top defensive players they could one year hoping to turn their 16th ranked defense into a top 10 defense. They signed Bruce Smith and 3 other top tier defense free agents and that season their defense went from the 16th rank defense to the 18th ranked defense proving that going out an buying the best defenders doesn't always work. I would be all in on signing a defense free agent if the Cowboys were just one player away from having a top 10 defense but we both know that's not the case. Like I said, stick to Madden football.
The draft is like a box of chocolates. - Forrest Gump.
 

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You might need to look at the 39 million dollar cap hi they take for trading R Wilson. That eliminates this scenario

Cap is only a word. You can manipulate player salaries and clear cap space. What is the difference getting Wilson or giving Dak 40+? Signing Wilson will be a hell of a better deal for Dallas.
 

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Woo Hoo another BYU stats QB. Let's give up the next few drafts to move up and draft the next Ty Detmer. These BYU guys always pan out in the nfl.

Well, Steve Young and Jim McMahon did OK.

I've seen this kid play, I really, really like him.
 

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Tag and trade only works if Dak wants it to.
He can't be tagged and traded unless he signs the tender.
And any real return would be contingent on a new team agreeing to a deal with him.
In the meantime you eat 37.7M on the cap this year.

So if the cap is your worry tag and trade is actually a really bad idea.

As to the rest it all depends on how they structure the money and what the cap rises to.

It's not Dak's job to take less money for them. They certainly didn't tear up his deal when they were paying him 350K to start 16 games and go 13-3.
The smart thing to do would have been extend him at the end of year 2 for cheap.
Could have added 4 years at 35-27M a year easily and never eaten large cap hits.
Would have had a year the end without any SB money hitting you to extend early in that final 4th year of the extension.
That's what other teams did.

Dallas played it out taking advantage of the low base salaries to mostly do nothing in free agency.

If you don't want to pay him just let the guy walk. Get the R3 comp pick and go spend his free agency money on a stop gap and build the rest of the roster up to withstand a weak QB.

If Dak is worth 37.7M this year on the cap he's definitely worth 40M AVV over 4 years because that 40M will cost you far less a % of the cap as it will rise mightily.
dak is a pretty good qb and he will get what he wants in free agency i am now thinking that maybe jerry and stephen are not really all in on him as their franchise qb
 

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My gosh this is frustrating.
I understand trying to squeeze as much money out as you possible can, but at what expense? Do you want to win with a good team around you or make the most amount of money you can and be mediocre?

Just sign a long term deal where the team will have cap flexibility. Jerry will still take care of you - always has with players he pays. You'll be making more money in 1 year than majority of people do in a life time. (heck, you already are in endorsements since your the QB of the Cowboys)
 

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So on Twitter the other day I was in a Dak discussion and Tad Prescott asked me if I balked at Romo getting a huge contract. I said any QB breaking the bank isn’t good cap management, I also told him I thought his brother was a good guy and good leader but my issue was 40 million. His response was Dak never asked for 40 or to be the highest paid QB. I then asked him what the hold up was...years still?... and the conversation ended. He was pleasant snd nice enough. I don’t buy his response unless it’s underlying messsge is that France is the issue and root cause and Dak is just doing what he’s told. I’m with you though that it has to be an over 40 asking price.

thanx for letting us know of your conversation

Todd France may have been the issue initially but 2 years later I cannot believe that Dak is not smart enough to understand what is going on. If he wanted to sign for what was offered he could have

At this point this is on Dak and Jerry not France
 

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thanx for letting us know of your conversation

Todd France may have been the issue initially but 2 years later I cannot believe that Dak is not smart enough to understand what is going on. If he wanted to sign for what was offered he could have

At this point this is on Dak and Jerry not France

Agree. You might be able to play naive early on but he knows exactly what is happening and that another tag means big FA a year from now. He’s trying to break the bank either way.
 

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They were a laughing stock before Dak got here lol. Have you seen what we’ve done the past 25 years or is that Daks fault too?
How would you feel if the Cowboys brought Kirk Cousins here and payed him 37 mil a year? Because that's what the Cowboys would be getting and that's if Dak has a good year.
 

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How would you feel if the Cowboys brought Kirk Cousins here and payed him 37 mil a year? Because that's what the Cowboys would be getting and that's if Dak has a good year.
I'd have no issue with it. I'd rather have Kirk Cousins then Vinny Testerverde, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter, etc.

You're trying to look own on Kirk Cousins but you rooted for Romo for 12 years........Kirk Cousins in his career will have accomplished the same things as Romo has.
 

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Well, Steve Young and Jim McMahon did OK.

I've seen this kid play, I really, really like him.
Yea Young came out of BYU 40 years ago.

I must be forgetting all the post a year ago about this kid from BYU. This is what happens when people become desperate reaching for a player due to his position.
We see a few of these guys every year. 2nd, and 3rd round level players who suddenly get over drafted due to playing QB.
 

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Yea Young came out of BYU 40 years ago.

I must be forgetting all the post a year ago about this kid from BYU. This is what happens when people become desperate reaching for a player due to his position.
We see a few of these guys every year. 2nd, and 3rd round level players who suddenly get over drafted due to playing QB.

Well, I like the kid. I've seen him play and he's pretty damn good. But I've been wrong before.
 
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Well, I like the kid. I've seen him play and he's pretty damn good. But I've been wrong before.
He had a good year. Last year he wasn’t even the clear starter.

There’s not enough success to call him a sure thing.

If we were considering him in the second round, sure, whatever.

Even if we considered him at 10 and we didn’t have Dak in house I’d be pretty happy with taking a shot.

But people are talking about trading #10 and at least next years first and that’s assuming we have a top ten pick next year

Not sure why people think trading multiple firsts for a guy who had one good year is a pretty big gamble
 

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Cap is only a word. You can manipulate player salaries and clear cap space. What is the difference getting Wilson or giving Dak 40+? Signing Wilson will be a hell of a better deal for Dallas.

But it's not that simple. Wilson will cost more than cap space.
 

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Has there actually been confirmation from the Cowboys or Daks agent that he is indeed only seeking a 3 year deal? I need to know how pissed off I'm supposed to be.
 

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But it's not that simple. Wilson will cost more than cap space.
I don't understand this whole cap stuff but Wilson's cap hit for the Seahawks in 2021 is 32M how is this worse than Dak signing for 40M+? What am I missing in all of this?
 

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Tag and trade only works if Dak wants it to.
He can't be tagged and traded unless he signs the tender.
And any real return would be contingent on a new team agreeing to a deal with him.
In the meantime you eat 37.7M on the cap this year.

So if the cap is your worry tag and trade is actually a really bad idea.

As to the rest it all depends on how they structure the money and what the cap rises to.

It's not Dak's job to take less money for them. They certainly didn't tear up his deal when they were paying him 350K to start 16 games and go 13-3.
The smart thing to do would have been extend him at the end of year 2 for cheap.
Could have added 4 years at 35-27M a year easily and never eaten large cap hits.
Would have had a year the end without any SB money hitting you to extend early in that final 4th year of the extension.
That's what other teams did.

Dallas played it out taking advantage of the low base salaries to mostly do nothing in free agency.

If you don't want to pay him just let the guy walk. Get the R3 comp pick and go spend his free agency money on a stop gap and build the rest of the roster up to withstand a weak QB.

If Dak is worth 37.7M this year on the cap he's definitely worth 40M AVV over 4 years because that 40M will cost you far less a % of the cap as it will rise mightily.
Dak is fighting fir his next deal before he even signs THIS one. Eerily similar to other guys who were all about the money... Tank comes to mind.
 

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Dak is not taking less than 40 million
He and his agent are holding out for that

If he were signing for less he would be signed already

that is pretty much known

whenever you are making posts in support of Dak, that is what you are supporting

$35 million x 4 years would have gotten it done last year. Less would have gotten it done the year before.
 

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I don't understand this whole cap stuff but Wilson's cap hit for the Seahawks in 2021 is 32M how is this worse than Dak signing for 40M+? What am I missing in all of this?

The talent cost of trading for him, probably. It's not like the Cowboys would just be flipping Dak for Wilson. They'd have to give up Dak and a couple of firsts, at least.
 
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