Self-imposed deadline for a deal

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It's a serious question. If they move on form Darnold, that's one admission but to trade the 2nd rounder when they might have had Wilson, already a better skill set than Prescott, does that make their fanbase happy?

Prescott is a household name because of all this BS around the Joneses and negotiation and the media. His name recognition far outweighs what he has accomplished as a QB.

Oh my.....
 

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Prescott, his agent, or both are doing their best to protect his image during this process.

I think the team has no problem taking on the perception of him not being signed as their fault but to anyone paying attention that is clearly not the reality.




On anything Prescott I just ignore what you say because you are WELL know as a huge Prescott hater.
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But who though? Who in this league thinks they are a Dak Prescott away from a championship?

Would the Saints think that? They saw first hand they can beat him with Teddy Bridgewater..

Carolina? Chicago?

Garrett in NYG would possibly be dumb enough but I don't think we would trade with a division rival.

I just can't see a spot where Dak makes since.

The one idea I can come up with is my original trade I had before the offseason and thats Dak for Tua which I would do.
I would still put the Non exclusive tag on Dak.
So what if Dak doesnt agree to an interested team.
The worst thing that can happen if he does , we get to unload Dak and his contract and receive two 1sts.
The worst thing that can happen for France and Dak is that nobody is ringing the door bell wanting to be first in line.
The NET is a win win for the Cowboys either way you look at it,, talk about a change in leverage when nobody in this league wants to pay that price tag.
We have already seen the movement away from it with teams like Rams, Eagles..even eating major dead cap just to do it.
Non Exclusive Tag is a punch to Todd France chin, might just change the landscape of all future franchise QB deals, or at least put a cherry on it.
 

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Oh my.....
Isn't that true? Wasn't it true of Romo? Being the DC QB brings some heavy coverage with it but this has been egregious even by the old standards.

Old women are gathering around the Mahjong table and the first question is "Dak get his deal done yet"?

"Mr. Reynolds, Nurse Harris here. Were you able to have a bowel movement this morning"? "Goshdernit, I dun tolt ya, not until Dak gets his deal done".

"Is there anyone that knows why this man and woman should not be joined in holy matrimony? If so, speak now or forever hold your peace". Entire congregation in unison "NO! Not until Dak gets his deal done"!!!
 

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On anything Prescott I just ignore what you say because you are WELL know as a huge Prescott hater.
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I'm a Prescott contract hater.

You're too much of a cheerleader to have real discussions with.. It's understandable because of the environment we post on. There will be people like yourself that can't handle a realistic perspective of what Dak is and his impact on the team.

I've always said Dak is a good player and a great leader.

My problem is the contract and then that's when I have the capability to set aside being a fan and say this doesn't add up.

It's fine.. I understand that there is people that will always view me as a Dak hater because I don't ignore his terrible value.
 

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Isn't that true? Wasn't it true of Romo? Being the DC QB brings some heavy coverage with it but this has been egregious even by the old standards.

Old women are gathering around the Mahjong table and the first question is "Dak get his deal done yet"?

"Mr. Reynolds, Nurse Harris here. Were you able to have a bowel movement this morning"? "Goshdernit, I dun tolt ya, not until Dak gets his deal done".

"Is there anyone that knows why this man and woman should not be joined in holy matrimony? If so, speak now or forever hold your peace". Entire congregation in unison "NO! Not until Dak gets his deal done"!!!

lol oh it's true..

I just hope you're ready to receive the criticism that I do for opinions like this lol. You gotta remember that there are a lot of super fans on here that can't realistically look at things objectively and they get super upset and call you a hater or other names when you do.
 

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I'm a Prescott contract hater.

You're too much of a cheerleader to have real discussions with.. It's understandable because of the environment we post on. There will be people like yourself that can't handle a realistic perspective of what Dak is and his impact on the team.

I've always said Dak is a good player and a great leader.

My problem is the contract and then that's when I have the capability to set aside being a fan and say this doesn't add up.

It's fine.. I understand that there is people that will always view me as a Dak hater because I don't ignore his terrible value.
Bold. One of the best statements made in a long line of statements on this subject.
 

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lol oh it's true..

I just hope you're ready to receive the criticism that I do for opinions like this lol. You gotta remember that there are a lot of super fans on here that can't realistically look at things objectively and they get super upset and call you a hater or other names when you do.
That's OK. I like Prescott, I just don't think he's worth that much cap space but then I don't think on this team even Mahomes or Rodgers would be.

But I also agree with those that think it doesn't matter. When the team has a poor builder, nothing really matters much after that. It's not money that prevents them from building a team, it is the lack of talent to recognize and price talent.
 

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I would rather trade him on the non exclusive tag then just let him walk away. You want to know what teams would give up two 1st and sign him, well let’s start with Miami, even with Tua; Chicago; San Francisco;Carolina; and Washington.
We all know what should be done. Get with the thread topic here, we are talking about this self-imposed deadline and how the Cowboys could very well not have anything to show for this at the end of the day. The FO incompetence could once again screw this up. Their priority should be making the long-term deal happen but they don't seem capable of doing that. They seem to think the next best thing to do is forcing the exclusive tag on Dak so they have him one more year. We never see the FO suggest the non-exclusive tag as a viable option.
 

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That's OK. I like Prescott, I just don't think he's worth that much cap space but then I don't think on this team even Mahomes or Rodgers would be.

But I also agree with those that think it doesn't matter. When the team has a poor builder, nothing really matters much after that. It's not money that prevents them from building a team, it is the lack of talent to recognize and price talent.


I guess i'm such a big fan that I really can't even give up on Jerry the builder if there is still a answer to win a title and I view not doing this deal as re-opening our window like it's been since 2016. I just think that when Dak signs a deal that time is our only answer to overcoming his deal.

So right now I am hopeful but if he does this 3 or 4 year 40 millionish a year deal then we can forget about it and we will just be the fighting Dak's. He'll be great for your fantasy teams.
 

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I would still put the Non exclusive tag on Dak.
So what if Dak doesnt agree to an interested team.
The worst thing that can happen if he does , we get to unload Dak and his contract and receive two 1sts.
The worst thing that can happen for France and Dak is that nobody is ringing the door bell wanting to be first in line.
The NET is a win win for the Cowboys either way you look at it,, talk about a change in leverage when nobody in this league wants to pay that price tag.
We have already seen the movement away from it with teams like Rams, Eagles..even eating major dead cap just to do it.
Non Exclusive Tag is a punch to Todd France chin, might just change the landscape of all future franchise QB deals, or at least put a cherry on it.

Or they all go to him and tell him what he gets in a year and he knows he can dig in even more because he has 41-42m waiting in the wings if he just plays one year on 37m.
 

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Or they all go to him and tell him what he gets in a year and he knows he can dig in even more because he has 41-42m waiting in the wings if he just plays one year on 37m.
Thats the price you give up easily as a franchise when your franchise LT agrees to the "TERM".
Everybody just looks at the principle, but the term is everything when you give your franchise the ability to borrow from it.
 

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I agree tagging Dak is a gigantic mistake. Dak has no trade value until he can pass a rigorous physical and lower his demands. Until then he is worth nothing. I’m not paying $100K for that BMW in a garage getting fixed after an accident. You fix it first, let me test drive it, and maybe we will talk price. But, I need a vehicle now so I am not waiting. Fix it before FA and the draft or I’m spending my money on a sure thing at a much cheaper price.

 

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I thought this was a done deal and evidently I was wrong and there's a chance a deal does not get done and what good does it do to tag Prescott for one year? If they tag him and keep him for the year, that's all they're getting from him and then the new QB era will begin.

This is all about the future of the team and a tag is just running in place when they need to be moving forward.

If they do use the tag, they need a strict deadline for getting a long term deal into place at least one week prior to the draft. At that point, they can explore their options about which QB to take and rescind the tag and he can go wherever he wants that will pay him 41.5M for 3 years.

Am I missing something here? They've been at this for two years and haven't been able to come to terms and that deadline story from Prescott is starting to look just like that, a story.

What does a tag do? Buy more time. Time for what? Either they feel he is a 40M QB and the QB of the future or they don't.

His agent is a take it or leave it negotiator so nothing is going to change and the Joneses are doing nothing but wasting time if they are not going to meet his demands.

The non exclusive tag will not work. Name the team that will forfeit 2 1sts and pay Prescott what he wants. All that does is add more time to a situation that has already taken too much time.

They need a self-imposed deadline for themselves to move forward, not for a deal to get done unless they are giving in.

If Prescott hasn't come off that position, let him go seek out a new team and draft a QB with that 1st but they will have to move up as the number projected is now up to 5 QB's in the 1st 10 picks, which will be a record. And I think it is apparent that he's going to play hardball with them as this has gone on longer than any contract negotiation in NFL history.

I realize the inherent risk in drafting a QB and the need for D help but this is what it is. This team cannot begin to fix their problems paying a QB 37.7M for one season. What's the reasoning in that? They can't even keep average players on their defense. Quinn starts off in a hole.

But the real deadline is accepting the fact the Prescott era is over and a new one beginning. Take the QB and use the money on a couple of real FA's, not third wavers, and quite possibly because of the talent on the offense, a rookie QB can step in much like Marino, Rothliesberger and Prescott were able to do and they have a better season than they would have had with a tagged QB.

Deadlines aren't for just getting deals done but for ourselves in making the hard tough decisions that we'd prefer not to make but they must be made for that coaching staff and 52 other players. It's about them, not him.

The team should be approaching the draft as if Dak will NOT be part of the Cowboys plans. They should be strategizing both ways ALREADY. I have said this in another thread.....the hard deadline for Dak is draft day. That's the fork in the road. The team needs to let Dak know if he is not signed by that time they will be prioritizing a QB on draft day. It would be idiotic to fail to take a QB on draft day if Dak is not signed and an opportunity arises.

The team does not need to panic. The team can get another Dak in the draft. They just need to choose wisely.

The team could trade back in the first round and probably still draft the QB from Alabama later in the first round. I'm not saying that should be the play, but you could get a QB and still not reduce the number of picks available to you. Or use a comp pick to move up in the second round, is also an option, if that's where a guy is targeted.

I disagree on the franchise tag. There are pros and cons to using the non-exclusive franchise tag. Let's suppose the Cowboys give Dak the non-exclusive tag, expecting to lose Dak for two first round picks, but no team signs Dak to a tender (that's plausible). Dak's bargaining power drops like a rock if that happens. At minimum it saves cap money on the one year tag. Of course the down side is you have to be willing to lose your QB.

Reality is that if a team signs Dak UNDER THE SAME PARAMETERS THAT HE IS DEMANDING FROM THE COWBOYS they also have to give up TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS. The Cowboys are having a hard time deciding to pay Dak what he wants WITH ZERO draft pick compensation!!!!! Think about that. If the Cowboys are willing to part with Dak, they could also open up the bidding on Dak NOW.

If Dak doesn't want to be a Cowboy the Cowboys will not be able to sign Dak at any price. That's also lost on some of you.

Also from Dak's point of view, whatever he gains in APY on his contract is going to potentially be partially offset by a loss in endorsement revenue, except for a very few teams (Patriots, Giants, and a few others).
 

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Tag Dak, and he eats up cap space. So if a deal is not done, you can't get any possible help in FA. Which is not all that bad, because they are not big players anyway. However, will that keep them from signing some of their own. How will it impact decisions. Yes there are some of our own FA's good enough to bring back. to keep that core together. But do they let LP walk and have to sign a player for minimum pay to be the long snapper. Things like that. So a long term deal must be worked out soon.

Sign Dak to a long term deal, it creates that cap, and then they can dip into Fa, their own as well as a few mid tier players.

Let Dak walk, you get a 3rd round comp pick. You free up a lot of cap space to fix a lot of weaknesses, but would they do it. Then you still must find a QB.

No matter what option, it still comes down to being successful in the draft. I do not want Dak playing on the tag this year, this will screw things up mores than the other 2 options.
I won't say tag and trade, that most likely will not happen.
Tag and sign at one point is another option. However clearing cap space after FA, the damage is done, you can't participate even with your own FA's.

I post this as not knowing how much true cap space we have, I seen numbers all over the place. But still, no matter the number, it impacts how the team proceeds.

They are not going to let Dak walk for a 3rd round comp pick. But you are right, that's the floor here. That's why you use the non-exclusive FT. You either get two firsts for Dak, or you hammer him hard on negotiating power. Either way is a win for the Cowboys. It is the smart play at this point. You want to avoid getting a 3rd round pick for him next year. The Cowboys still hold some cards here, and they need to play all of them before draft day.
 

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Tag Dak, and he eats up cap space. So if a deal is not done, you can't get any possible help in FA. Which is not all that bad, because they are not big players anyway. However, will that keep them from signing some of their own. How will it impact decisions. Yes there are some of our own FA's good enough to bring back. to keep that core together. But do they let LP walk and have to sign a player for minimum pay to be the long snapper. Things like that. So a long term deal must be worked out soon.

Sign Dak to a long term deal, it creates that cap, and then they can dip into Fa, their own as well as a few mid tier players.

Let Dak walk, you get a 3rd round comp pick. You free up a lot of cap space to fix a lot of weaknesses, but would they do it. Then you still must find a QB.

No matter what option, it still comes down to being successful in the draft. I do not want Dak playing on the tag this year, this will screw things up mores than the other 2 options.
I won't say tag and trade, that most likely will not happen.
Tag and sign at one point is another option. However clearing cap space after FA, the damage is done, you can't participate even with your own FA's.

I post this as not knowing how much true cap space we have, I seen numbers all over the place. But still, no matter the number, it impacts how the team proceeds.

If you give him the non-exclusive FT, I think they save a significant amount of cap room.
 

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Why is the last option unconscionable? Fans with opinions like this hamstring the front office.

If Dak gets you to 8-9 or 9-8, then what is the point of keeping him? I can easily get to 8-9 or 9-8 with Dalton or Winston or similar QB at a fraction of the $37M cost. With the savings at QB I can use $25M on defensive FAs and get to 10-6 or better maybe.

So, why is it Dak or bust?
Dak doesn't play defense. HE DOES HIS JOB.
 
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