The answer: non exclusive franchise tag

CWR

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Too much risk. If a team really wants to sign Dak they’ll just put a poison pill in there so the Cowboys will be unable to match.

That being said, no one is giving up two firsts to sign Dak this offseason. He’s just not worth it with the injury questions.

I dont consider getting 2 1st a risk. The poison pill doesn't hurt us. What would hurt is letting Dak walk and only getting a comp pick.
 

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Dak is 9-11 in his last 20 starts. Pretty sure Andy Dalton can get us that for half the price which would actually leave us money to fix the defense. Jerry has handled Dak stupidly for years. You don't compound the mistake by chasing.

I don't disagree that paying Dak will have consequences. Betting that Dalton can get us 9-11 at half the price means nothing. yes, Jerry has messed up the whole Dak negotiation. So lets go with an immobile 34 year old QB at the end of his career, that wouldn't be a mistake now, would it?
 

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I dont consider getting 2 1st a risk. The poison pill doesn't hurt us. What would hurt is letting Dak walk and only getting a comp pick.

I get your point but it’s a major risk if the team is relying on Dak as our starter in 2021. I don’t think Jerry is willing to let him go this offseason, even for two firsts.
 
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I don't disagree that paying Dak will have consequences. Betting that Dalton can get us 9-11 at half the price means nothing. yes, Jerry has messed up the whole Dak negotiation. So lets go with an immobile 34 year old QB at the end of his career, that wouldn't be a mistake now, would it?

I'm not saying sign Dalton. I'm saying it makes more sense than signing Dak since the results aren't dramatically different. If I were pushing things I could say Dalton gives us a better chance to improve b/c he's cheaper and gives us the cap flexibility we need to fix the defense.
 

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Me thinks Dak overthinks this too much and is confused. Ever hear the term in business "baffle em with Bull ****.?" Todd France may be doing this with Dak. I think the kid is being used and confused and he may be unsure what he wants.

One thing I am absolutely sure of is that Dak is not a dumb person. He knows exactly what he is doing.
 

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I have been a huge Dak fan, but to me, over the last 2 years, he has the stats( and the turnovers, as a team ), but not the wins, especially in big games( see the Philly game two years ago).

Dak is also asking to be paid to much! Doesn’t want to give us a home team discount. He makes millions in commercials because he is the QB of the Cowboys!

With, the Non Exclusive Franchise Tag, Dak can go out on the market and see what he is really worth. If another team gives him an offer, we can match the offer, or let him walk. If we let him walk we get 2 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS!!

Don’t over pay Dak, he has not proven he is a difference maker. This year there are a lot of QB options + the draft picks will help build the defense.

I think this is the answer. Dak needs to see for himself what his value really can bring him. If someone takes him we have plenty of ammo to move up in the draft and grab our QB.
 

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I have been a huge Dak fan, but to me, over the last 2 years, he has the stats( and the turnovers, as a team ), but not the wins, especially in big games( see the Philly game two years ago).

Dak is also asking to be paid to much! Doesn’t want to give us a home team discount. He makes millions in commercials because he is the QB of the Cowboys!

With, the Non Exclusive Franchise Tag, Dak can go out on the market and see what he is really worth. If another team gives him an offer, we can match the offer, or let him walk. If we let him walk we get 2 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS!!

Don’t over pay Dak, he has not proven he is a difference maker. This year there are a lot of QB options + the draft picks will help build the defense.

Is it really two first round picks? Wow. IMO that would make it worth it. It's what I would want in a trade.
 

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I have been a huge Dak fan, but to me, over the last 2 years, he has the stats( and the turnovers, as a team ), but not the wins, especially in big games( see the Philly game two years ago).

Dak is also asking to be paid to much! Doesn’t want to give us a home team discount. He makes millions in commercials because he is the QB of the Cowboys!

With, the Non Exclusive Franchise Tag, Dak can go out on the market and see what he is really worth. If another team gives him an offer, we can match the offer, or let him walk. If we let him walk we get 2 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS!!

Don’t over pay Dak, he has not proven he is a difference maker. This year there are a lot of QB options + the draft picks will help build the defense.






Here's the problem with that. When teams uses the non-exclusive tag what they are really telling the player that they are really putting him up for trade for 2 first round draft picks. Now the offer that he submits to the Cowboys to match has to be higher than the highest offer made to him by his team. With a smaller cap and with so many teams having to cut players to get under that cap number, the chances are that teams won't be able to offer more than what Cowboys offered but Prescott will then think the Cowboys were just trying to trade him so now there will be friction between him and the Cowboys. In a normal year with an increase in the cap, using the non-exclusive tag would probably get some offers, but not that's not the case for 2021. Also along with all the needs on defense the Cowboys will also have a gigantic need at QB if some team actually offers a legit offer.
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Here's the problem with that. When teams uses the non-exclusive tag what they are really telling the player that they are really putting him up for trade for 2 first round draft picks. Now the offer that he submits to the Cowboys to match has to be higher than the highest offer made to him by his team. With a smaller cap and with so many teams having to cut players to get under that cap number, the chances are that teams won't be able to offer more than what Cowboys offered but Prescott will then think the Cowboys were just trying to trade him so now there will be friction between him and the Cowboys. In a normal year with an increase in the cap, using the non-exclusive tag would probably get some offers, but not that's not the case for 2021. Also along with all the needs on defense the Cowboys will also have a gigantic need at QB if some team actually offers a legit offer.
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Are you really Todd France - the former placekicker in the AFL?
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LOL. Jethro posts again.

Dak is 42-27 at QB for the 3rd most wins since he entered the league.
Behind Russ and Brady.

QB wins isn't a QB stat but if ii t actually was it adds to Dak's value.

Dallas has played 11 games without Dak and went 4-7.
The 3 losses suffered with Dak in 2020 were all to teams that won 10+ games.
Dallas averaged over 32 PPG for 1st in the NFL with Dak in 2020.
They averaged just over 22PPG without Dak good for 22nd.

Truth! And Dak had the worst defense in Cowboys history covering his six. Truth.
 

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Dak is worth what the market says he's worth.,PERIOD. That said, I take issue with the years he is asking for..so I agree..put the tag on him as you said, the non exclusive. Lets see what happens. We lose nothing in doing so. We can always rescind it if we strike a deal.In the mean time, he can gage interest and so can the team. Its a win win.
Thats exactly the point, time for Jerry to change the leverage to the Cowboys instead of Dak and his boy.
Problem is Jerry is such a player loyalist and not a hard nosed GM.
Jerry could gain a lot of the fan base respect back, with a bold move like this,, its not just bold, its actually the best move,,, Stephen should be talking to daddy.
 

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What is the actual difference in cost for Dak between the exclusive and nonexclusive tags?
The "exclusive franchise tag" is reserved for the league's best players and isn't used that often. A non-exclusive franchise tag allows players to negotiate with other teams, and if the original team decides not to match an offer from another team, they will receive two first-round picks from the signing team.

A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player's position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.
 

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I have been a huge Dak fan, but to me, over the last 2 years, he has the stats( and the turnovers, as a team ), but not the wins, especially in big games( see the Philly game two years ago).

Dak is also asking to be paid to much! Doesn’t want to give us a home team discount. He makes millions in commercials because he is the QB of the Cowboys!

With, the Non Exclusive Franchise Tag, Dak can go out on the market and see what he is really worth. If another team gives him an offer, we can match the offer, or let him walk. If we let him walk we get 2 FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS!!

Don’t over pay Dak, he has not proven he is a difference maker. This year there are a lot of QB options + the draft picks will help build the defense.

Stats = Individual accomplishment

Wins = Team accomplishment

Fans = Disconnect
 

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Of course Dak can refuse it. Dallas only has to match what Dak accepts. Dak doesn't have to accept any offer.
and part of the leverage gained when the market sets Daks value.
 

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So why didn’t our backup QBs throw for over 500 yards then?

They were falling far behind as much as Dak, yet their production was a huge drop-off by comparison.

Dak won 40 games in 4 seasons with Garrett as the head coach. That’s an impressive achievement.
For these reasons, each opponent is different, do you think dak throws for 500 against wash defense or Pitt?
Also daks team mates did not play as hard for the bkups as they do for dak.
And also dak is probably better, and has way more time spent playing with this team.
Dalton was new, and gilbert, that was his first nfl start.

Throwing for 500 yds is not a good thing if your losing the games.
 

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He's not a guy who makes special plays, guys like that (Mahomes) are worth the money, he's just a dude.
 

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For these reasons, each opponent is different, do you think dak throws for 500 against wash defense or Pitt?
Also daks team mates did not play as hard for the bkups as they do for dak.
And also dak is probably better, and has way more time spent playing with this team.
Dalton was new, and gilbert, that was his first nfl start.

Throwing for 500 yds is not a good thing if your losing the games.

uhm maybe we lost because we fielded the worst defense in Cowboys history?

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