Who has the best prospect rankings?

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Do some homework, Coach.

Before opting out of the 2020 season, Caleb Farley allowed 1 or 0 catches in seven of his 11 starts in 2019 while intercepting four passes and breaking up nine en route to a 26.8 passer rating allowed and 90.5 coverage grade, mostly against big school colleges where they pass a lot. Plus, Farley's 4.33 40 speed, quickness and superb athleticism allow him to be able to cover any WR.

Even if burned by a step, two or three, Farley has shown he can catch up and still make a play on the ball. Patrick Surtain, II can not.

Surtain tries his hardest to play close, man-to-man at the line of scrimmage, and get his hands on WRs within those first 5 yards in order to throw a WR's timing off and give Surtain that extra second to be able to slow you down and stick with you. If Surtain fails to get his hands on you early, it's lights out because that's when he struggles due to lack of top speed and can get beat in coverage.

Here. Voch Lombardi explains it well...



This is a key reason why I hope the Cowboys pick Farley over Surtain if both are available come the 10th pick.

You know Voch likes Surtain over Farley right? He also thinks Horne is the best cornerback in the draft. A few weeks ago he said a Kentucky cornerback had the best tape he has seen. Voch is a good draftnick but he has an agenda. He has a bias towards the offensive line and wants the Cowboys to take Slater. Surtain is a better cornerback then Diggs is right now. I don’t think Farley could start over Brown today or at least be better early in the season. Farley has traits that you cannot teach but he needs some work. I would go with the guy who would walk into any team and would be a starter on day 1 of trading camp. If we draft either guy the key to our defense will still be us drafting a quality free safety.
 

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Do some homework, Coach.

Before opting out of the 2020 season, Caleb Farley allowed 1 or 0 catches in seven of his 11 starts in 2019 while intercepting four passes and breaking up nine en route to a 26.8 passer rating allowed and 90.5 coverage grade, mostly against big school colleges where they pass a lot. Plus, Farley's 4.33 40 speed, quickness and superb athleticism allow him to be able to cover any WR.

Even if burned by a step, two or three, Farley has shown he can catch up and still make a play on the ball. Patrick Surtain, II can not.

Surtain tries his hardest to play close, man-to-man at the line of scrimmage, and get his hands on WRs within those first 5 yards in order to throw a WR's timing off and give Surtain that extra second to be able to slow you down and stick with you. If Surtain fails to get his hands on you early, it's lights out because that's when he struggles due to lack of top speed and can get beat in coverage.

Here. Voch Lombardi explains it well...



This is a key reason why I hope the Cowboys pick Farley over Surtain if both are available come the 10th pick.

My man I never brought up Farley.
It's OK if you like Farley more.
He's the better natural athlete but has far lesser technique, he has not even an iota of tape versus true elite weapons and he most certainly hasn't played for anyone to see in well over a year.
Farley is exciting to any scout based on raw tools. He's built a lot like Deion Sanders.

As to Diggs, that's just not accurate.
Go watch his tape versus Kyle Pitts.
It was the smartest anyone played Pitts all year. He stayed AWAY from his body by 3-4 yards and closed only when he had to.
Surtain has by far the best technique of the class which makes sense given he's had elite training his entire life as his dad was a 3x Pro Bowl CB and then the best DB coach in college football in Nick Saban.

I like Voch (glad he's back and healthy) and his videos are super entertaining but his football takes are not really deep dives. They are overviews with limited tape meant to detail an idea he already had before he put the videos together. Most of the cuts he used was from Surtain's sophomore year.

https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-patrick-surtain-ii-alabama-cb-similar-to-byron-jones

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/2021-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-cb-patrick-surtain-ii-alabama

https://247sports.com/Article/Patri...bate-order-defensive-back-prospect-161033405/


All in all not much debate on these guys.
Farley has the higher ceiling and could be a playmaker for you but he also may have some toughness and injury issues to fight through.
He has a far lower floor than Surtain.
He compares well with year 1 or 2 Byron Jones in that he is raw at CB.
But any time you are talking a Deion like body you are talking rare elite physical traits that can only be God given.

Surtain is a very good CB but he may never be great. He's probably maxed out in many ways.
Already strong and smart with good technique.
He will tackle and he is smart enough to cover WRs with a plan to beat them.
He compares very well with Byron Jones of the last few seasons.
His Dad's 10 seasons with 3 Pro Bowls is about right as a low water projection for Surtain.
But his high water mark may only be 12 seasons and 6 Pro Bowls. He's not likely ever be an all Pro or record 6+ INT in a season.
He's a walk in day 1 starter at CB.
 

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My man I never brought up Farley.
It's OK if you like Farley more.
He's the better natural athlete but has far lesser technique, he has not even an iota of tape versus true elite weapons and he most certainly hasn't played for anyone to see in well over a year.
Farley is exciting to any scout based on raw tools. He's built a lot like Deion Sanders.

As to Diggs, that's just not accurate.
Go watch his tape versus Kyle Pitts.
It was the smartest anyone played Pitts all year. He stayed AWAY from his body by 3-4 yards and closed only when he had to.
Surtain has by far the best technique of the class which makes sense given he's had elite training his entire life as his dad was a 3x Pro Bowl CB and then the best DB coach in college football in Nick Saban.

I like Voch (glad he's back and healthy) and his videos are super entertaining but his football takes are not really deep dives. They are overviews with limited tape meant to detail an idea he already had before he put the videos together. Most of the cuts he used was from Surtain's sophomore year.

https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-patrick-surtain-ii-alabama-cb-similar-to-byron-jones

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/2021-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-cb-patrick-surtain-ii-alabama

https://247sports.com/Article/Patri...bate-order-defensive-back-prospect-161033405/


All in all not much debate on these guys.
Farley has the higher ceiling and could be a playmaker for you but he also may have some toughness and injury issues to fight through.
He has a far lower floor than Surtain.
He compares well with year 1 or 2 Byron Jones in that he is raw at CB.
But any time you are talking a Deion like body you are talking rare elite physical traits that can only be God given.

Surtain is a very good CB but he may never be great. He's probably maxed out in many ways.
Already strong and smart with good technique.
He will tackle and he is smart enough to cover WRs with a plan to beat them.
He compares very well with Byron Jones of the last few seasons.
His Dad's 10 seasons with 3 Pro Bowls is about right as a low water projection for Surtain.
But his high water mark may only be 12 seasons and 6 Pro Bowls. He's not likely ever be an all Pro or record 6+ INT in a season.
He's a walk in day 1 starter at CB.
This could not have been better said. It’s exactly why I hope Surtain is there at 10.
 

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I like Paulson Adebo and Jaycee Horn over Surtain and Farley. Surtain is too stiff and Farley is always injured.



Opinions vary just like beliefs.
 

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LOL.
If "Sunshine" is on the board and pass him up I will personally try to have Jerry committed to an insane asylum.
I will help you. No way Sunshine makes to us at 10 but if he is there than he should be the pick.
 

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Just look at timb2’s board. He is just as good as any talking head in my opinion. The guy gets it and does his homework. Best of all he posts on Cowboys Zone.
This and some other posters would be CalPolytech, SeanLee50, CouchCoach. I know I am missing somebodies and if I did I apologize. All 4 of those guys are great evaluators for us novice posters.
 

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How are you helping me?
I know full well he's not falling to 10.
You said you will personally have Jerry committed to an insane asslyum. That is what I meant in helping you.
 

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I've looked at multiple top 100 lists and there seems to be quite a bit of variation among them. Is there any list out there that any of you believe to be more accurate than others?

The yearly Floaty Mock draft coming soon....Book it. :popcorn:
 

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Diggs is faster than Jalen Ramsey.
He ran a 4.43 at his Pro Day.
Dallas fastest CB is Anthony Brown. He ran a 4.38

Drafting CB base off speed is a surefire way to miss.
It's technique and strength.

LOL...Anthony Brown plays like a 4.65 CB because he is too stupid to recognize a route. :laugh:
 
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